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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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    #6122
    Tarf1234
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    unce09f wrote: »
    Deegan is an excellent prospect, tall, athletic, very good skills. Needs to develop physically and at the breakdown but a shoe in for the academy next summer.

    Aspil is more under the radar, 1st choice 7 at u19 and u20 level. Went to high school so has a smaller profile. Pure 7, have heard some comparisons to JVDF.

    Aspil is a huge guy not sure on his skill level if I'm honest. Very large for his age though.


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    #6123
    WarZ
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    .ak wrote: »
    Meh, I've heard the rumours, and if I was him I'd be pushing that too so Leinster increase his wage to stay on.

    Leinster should throw the kitchen sink at him to stay. He is developing into an absolutely fantastic centre. If he can continue this sort of form he'll fast be one of the best centres in European rugby.


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    #6124
    Hagz
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    I am not buying this Te'o hype one bit.


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    #6125
    irishbucsfan
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    If he stays in Union I don't see how Leinster will be able to match an offer from an English club for him.

    Don't forget he's English qualified and if he is in the EPS, which he certainly could be, then a Premiership club gets credit for having him on their books. Given that and their extra financial power I can't see how Leinster can realistically compete to sign him unless he agrees to become a project player and they get some IRFU assistance.


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    #6126
    .ak
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    Hagz wrote: »
    I am not buying this Te'o hype one bit.

    What hype? The game is there for you to watch. Nobody is making this up. He fixed defenders, tied up defenders, had two assists and one was in traffic and at least 15m away. He's been brilliant, and as I said earlier, I'm surprised he didn't get more plaudits.


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    #6127
    unce09f
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭unce09f


    Hagz wrote: »
    I am not buying this Te'o hype one bit.

    which bit? him being good enough to pay aswell as the top irish players or him leaving?


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    #6128
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    If he stays in Union I don't see how Leinster will be able to match an offer from an English club for him.

    Don't forget he's English qualified and if he is in the EPS, which he certainly could be, then a Premiership club gets credit for having him on their books. Given that and their extra financial power I can't see how Leinster can realistically compete to sign him unless he agrees to become a project player and they get some IRFU assistance.

    Ireland don't really need more centres, we are well stocked with current and young players at 12 and 13. Don't see why they'd turn him into a project player.

    He's a good player but we have current IQ players who are or will be just as good.


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    #6129
    .ak
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    awec wrote: »
    Ireland don't really need more centres, we are well stocked with current and young players at 12 and 13. Don't see why they'd turn him into a project player.

    He's a good player but we have current IQ players who are or will be just as good.

    I'm not sure about that. Payne isn't a spring chicken and despite Ulster churning out centres very few of them and proven themselves at top level.

    I would say we're well stocked at 12 but we have very few 13s that could play test footy IMO.


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    #6130
    unce09f
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    awec wrote: »
    Ireland don't really need more centres, we are well stocked with current and young players at 12 and 13. Don't see why they'd turn him into a project player.

    He's a good player but we have current IQ players who are or will be just as good.

    we are well stocked in the backrow too, sadly Stander will likely play for Ireland at some stage.

    Jesus project players are a depressing area of irish rugby.


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    #6131
    awec
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    Payne is only 29 and Te'o is 28! :D

    Te'o hasn't proven himself at the top level yet either in fairness.


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    #6132
    awec
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    unce09f wrote: »
    we are well stocked in the backrow too, sadly Stander will likely play for Ireland at some stage.

    Jesus project players are a depressing area of irish rugby.

    At 6 and 7 we are but not at 8.


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    #6133
    unce09f
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭unce09f


    awec wrote: »
    At 6 and 7 we are but not at 8.

    we have two very good number 8's 23 and under - Jack Conan & Jack O'Donoghue.

    Plus Jordi Murphy/Rhys Ruddock who could possibly cover there at 8. Murphy already having done it for Ireland.

    CJ Stander shouldn't ever play for Ireland. But I digress it's very off topic for this thread.


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    #6134
    dub_skav
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    Hagz wrote: »
    I am not buying this Te'o hype one bit.

    Good work, keep it up so we can keep the price down


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    #6135
    total former
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    Declaring for Ireland would be a nice bonus but it shouldn't be the deciding factor. If Leinster have the cash, then they should do all they can to retain him. He's played 16 games of union in his life and he's one of our top players already, as he was last season - compare him to Sam Burgess for example - he looks far more at home than Slammin' Sam, just without the relentless hype.

    Break the f**king bank, with or without IRFU contribution, that's my suggestion.


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    #6136
    WarZ
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    total former wrote: »
    Declaring for Ireland would be a nice bonus but it shouldn't be the deciding factor. If Leinster have the cash, then they should do all they can to retain him. He's played 16 games of union in his life and he's one of our top players already, as he was last season - compare him to Sam Burgess for example - he looks far more at home than Slammin' Sam, just without the relentless hype.

    Break the f**king bank, with or without IRFU contribution, that's my suggestion.

    Exactly, he's only 16 games in and is one of the best players on the pitch for Leinster, imagine an entire season under his belt with the internationals back?


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    #6137
    .ak
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    awec wrote: »
    Payne is only 29 and Te'o is 28! :D

    Te'o hasn't proven himself at the top level yet either in fairness.

    I honestly thought Payne was older and teo was younger, my mistake!


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    #6138
    jacothelad
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    WarZ wrote: »
    Exactly, he's only 16 games in and is one of the best players on the pitch for Leinster, imagine an entire season under his belt with the internationals back?

    Yes. Check out his try v. Ulster last season. Outstanding 13 try.


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    #6139
    accidentprone1
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    unce09f wrote: »
    we are well stocked in the backrow too, sadly Stander will likely play for Ireland at some stage.

    Jesus project players are a depressing area of irish rugby.

    bear+amy.gif


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    #6140
    molloyjh
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    Hagz wrote: »
    I am not buying this Te'o hype one bit.

    Why not? He's played very little Union and has looked pretty comfortable with it. I was watching him defensively on Saturday as well (ok it was only the Dragons) and his positioning and decision making were fairly good. There is a question mark around how effective he would be against top opposition, but at Pro12 level the guy stands out every time I watch him.
    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    If he stays in Union I don't see how Leinster will be able to match an offer from an English club for him.

    Don't forget he's English qualified and if he is in the EPS, which he certainly could be, then a Premiership club gets credit for having him on their books. Given that and their extra financial power I can't see how Leinster can realistically compete to sign him unless he agrees to become a project player and they get some IRFU assistance.

    That might be an issue all right, but again I'm hoping a top class environment can tempt him to stay. Remember English teams have won nothing outside of England but the Amlin/Challenge Cup in the last 9 seasons.
    awec wrote: »
    Ireland don't really need more centres, we are well stocked with current and young players at 12 and 13. Don't see why they'd turn him into a project player.

    He's a good player but we have current IQ players who are or will be just as good.

    You're thinking of Ulster there awec. Leinster were stuck for an outside centre when Drico left. The only option we had on our books at that stage was Macken really. And he was never going to make the grade sadly.


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    #6141
    Redgirl82
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    Just thinking for the Champions Cup this season, with the early exit of England this is really going to play into there clubs hands....they will be back in time for the start of the Aviva Premiership so all the English teams will have there players well settled back after giving them a rest for the start of champions cup. If Ireland go further then they will have less time to integrate back in the players.....

    Will affect us with 2 English teams.....


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    #6142
    dub_skav
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    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    Just thinking for the Champions Cup this season, with the early exit of England this is really going to play into there clubs hands....they will be back in time for the start of the Aviva Premiership so all the English teams will have there players well settled back after giving them a rest for the start of champions cup. If Ireland go further then they will have less time to integrate back in the players.....

    Will affect us with 2 English teams.....

    Pssst, I got this:




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    #6143
    molloyjh
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    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    Just thinking for the Champions Cup this season, with the early exit of England this is really going to play into there clubs hands....they will be back in time for the start of the Aviva Premiership so all the English teams will have there players well settled back after giving them a rest for the start of champions cup. If Ireland go further then they will have less time to integrate back in the players.....

    Will affect us with 2 English teams.....

    How many players do Wasps have with England? Surely only Bath will be any better off compared to what we might have expected?


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    #6144
    scott1974
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    How many players do Wasps have with England? Surely only Bath will be any better off compared to what we might have expected?

    The Aviva Prem hasn't even started back yet, I think we may be in a slightly better position having played a good few games before they even start their season.
    Plus Burgess will have to readjust to the backrow again!!!


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    #6145
    Redgirl82
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    scott1974 wrote: »
    The Aviva Prem hasn't even started back yet, I think we may be in a slightly better position having played a good few games before they even start their season.
    Plus Burgess will have to readjust to the backrow again!!!

    Starts back next Friday 16th, so really the players could go back to there clubs and start next weekend.


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    #6146
    scott1974
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    Yeah, but I think in general not having played any games yet as a club (excluding friendlies) will be a disadvantage to them (I could be wrong).
    Also there is talk of sanctions for Bath for breaching the Salary Cap, not sure what that will be exactly yet..


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    #6147
    molloyjh
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    Forgot the AP wasn't back yet. So they'll only have 4 weeks playing together before the start of the Champions Cup. I'll take that tbh. I also can't see the English internationals being released back to play for their clubs that first week anyway. They'll need a break.


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    #6148
    awec
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Forgot the AP wasn't back yet. So they'll only have 4 weeks playing together before the start of the Champions Cup. I'll take that tbh. I also can't see the English internationals being released back to play for their clubs that first week anyway. They'll need a break.

    Not all of them will. Ford has barely played for example.


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    #6149
    molloyjh
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    Anyone here at the A game? Wouldn't mind hearing reports from a Leinster perspective as I can't make it.


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    #6150
    Redgirl82
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Forgot the AP wasn't back yet. So they'll only have 4 weeks playing together before the start of the Champions Cup. I'll take that tbh. I also can't see the English internationals being released back to play for their clubs that first week anyway. They'll need a break.

    Well according to Goode he can't wait to get back to Saracens and expects to start....

    http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-union/news/article/504/10020693/alex-goode-looking-forward-to-saracens-return


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    #6151
    irishbucsfan
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Forgot the AP wasn't back yet. So they'll only have 4 weeks playing together before the start of the Champions Cup. I'll take that tbh. I also can't see the English internationals being released back to play for their clubs that first week anyway. They'll need a break.

    Released back...?


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