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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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    #602
    total former
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    Madigan is a decent full-back, just like he's a decent out-half and a decent 12.

    However, I would no more drop Rob Kearney to play Madigan at full-back than I would drop Jonny Sexton to play him at out-half. That would be sheer lunacy.


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    #603
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    total former wrote: »
    Madigan is a decent full-back, just like he's a decent out-half and a decent 12.

    However, I would no more drop Rob Kearney to play Madigan at full-back than I would drop Jonny Sexton to play him at out-half. That would be sheer lunacy.

    ah you're no craic


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    #604
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Seriously though, is Rob Kearney playing that well that he should be automatically selected? (I don't think so). Madigan can play the position - has a bit of threat about him with ball in hand - and we would have him on the pitch for placekicking duties. Allows us to play Darcy at 12 - midfield defense will be absolutley crucial


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    #605
    Neil3030
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    I kicked this whole thing off by suggesting that the relatively novice Te'o may have contributed to defensive errors by being a distraction to the rest of the backs.

    This is not to say:

    - Te'o is not developing nicely
    - Te'o will never become a decent player for us

    Nor is it to say:

    - Te'o is a bad signing
    - Furriners out

    Rather, it is to say:

    The relatively novice Te'o may have contributed to defensive errors by being a distraction to the rest of the backs.


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    #606
    Podge_irl
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Seriously though, is Rob Kearney playing that well that he should be automatically selected? (I don't think so). Madigan can play the position - has a bit of threat about him with ball in hand - and we would have him on the pitch for placekicking duties. Allows us to play Darcy at 12 - midfield defense will be absolutley crucial

    Is he playing well enough to keep his place ahead of a reasonably mediocre option at fullback who hasn't played the position in about two years? I'd say yes.

    I'd sooner take my chances with gopperth kicking to be honest. If we win this it will be by not making silly mistakes and being opportunistic. All the more reason for DK and fitz really.


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    #607
    LorMal
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    I kicked this whole thing off by suggesting that the relatively novice Te'o may have contributed to defensive errors by being a distraction to the rest of the backs.

    This is not to say:

    - Te'o is not developing nicely
    - Te'o will never become a decent player for us

    Nor is it to say:

    - Te'o is a bad signing
    - Furriners out

    Rather, it is to say:

    The relatively novice Te'o may have contributed to defensive errors by being a distraction to the rest of the backs.

    Please don't state that as if this is my point of view. It is totally misrepresenting my viewpoint and is a bit of a cheap shot to be honest. I do not think our current group of foreign players are all that great - but I think we have recruited brilliantly from abroad in the past (as I have already said). Nothing to do with 'Furriners out'.


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    #608
    Neil3030
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Please don't state that as if this is my point of view. It is totally misrepresenting my viewpoint and is a bit of a cheap shot to be honest. I do not think our current group of foreign players are all that great - but I think we have recruited brilliantly from abroad in the past (as I have already said). Nothing to do with 'Furriners out'.

    Someone posted the 'dey took er jabs' meme, I was making it clear that this was not MY viewpoint.


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    #609
    total former
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Please don't state that as if this is my point of view. It is totally misrepresenting my viewpoint and is a bit of a cheap shot to be honest. I do not think our current group of foreign players are all that great - but I think we have recruited brilliantly from abroad in the past (as I have already said). Nothing to do with 'Furriners out'.

    In fairness, you didn't help your cause by stating that we should get rid of the foreigners...


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    #610
    sydthebeat
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Please don't state that as if this is my point of view. It is totally misrepresenting my viewpoint and is a bit of a cheap shot to be honest. I do not think our current group of foreign players are all that great - but I think we have recruited brilliantly from abroad in the past (as I have already said). Nothing to do with 'Furriners out'.

    lets be honest here

    you posted
    LorMal wrote: »
    To Dublin Airport with Kirshner, Teo and Gopperth..and don't spare the horses James.

    LorMal wrote: »
    And I forgot to mention MOC and Douglas for the Aircoach too


    so dont try to come off all hard-done-by and mis represented by "furriners out" type posts... you brought it on yourself



    I posted the 'jerbs' meme as a humorous response to pudsy33's post... hell i even quoted him in the post !!!


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    #611
    LorMal
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Is he playing well enough to keep his place ahead of a reasonably mediocre option at fullback who hasn't played the position in about two years? I'd say yes.

    I'd sooner take my chances with gopperth kicking to be honest. If we win this it will be by not making silly mistakes and being opportunistic. All the more reason for DK and fitz really.

    I'm not convinced. I really think we need to strengthen midfield if we are to have any chance. To my mind, that means Luke to 13, Darcy to 12. Now, then we either play Jimmy or Madigan at 10.
    Madigan at 10 could seriously backfire - loose kicking from hand will kill us. Therefore Jimmy at 10 is the best of a bad lot.
    Then the only place for Madigan (if we want him) is at 15. Its not outrageuos - Rob K has been very poor recently - no huge loss there.


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    #612
    LorMal
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    lets be honest here

    you posted


    so dont try to come off all hard-done-by and mis represented by "furriners out" type posts... you brought it on yourself


    I posted the 'jerbs' meme as a humorous response to pudsy33's post... hell i even quoted him in the post !!!

    No I didn't. It is obvious that I was being tongue in cheek. The mob mentality can be a bit much here sometimes.
    I do not care where anyone is from. I was only making the point that our current contingent are poor enough in comparison to previous recruits.


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    #613
    LorMal
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    total former wrote: »
    In fairness, you didn't help your cause by stating that we should get rid of the foreigners...

    No TF - its nothing to do with foreigners - couldn't give a flying where they are from.
    Would you suggest that there are currently a successful contingent of NIQs at Leinster?


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    #614
    .ak
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Ah Jaysus...which games?.... ... Some rugby games with Leinster in them.

    None. He's been poor at 15 for us.


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    #615
    total former
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    Also, saying Rob Kearney has been "very poor" is just wrong on every level.


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    #616
    Podge_irl
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    I agree completely about the need to strengthen the midfield. Rob K is not playing poorly. He's not playing great but fail to see how madigan at 15 is less of a risk than him at 10. Madigan is a better 10 than fullback and Kearney is a better 15 than gopperth is a 10.


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    #617
    sydthebeat
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    LorMal wrote: »
    No I didn't. It is obvious that I was being tongue in cheek. The mob mentality can be a bit much here sometimes.
    I do not care where anyone is from. I was only making the point that our current contingent are poor enough in comparison to previous recruits.

    poor attempt to make a very blindly obvious point


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    #618
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    I agree completely about the need to strengthen the midfield. Rob K is not playing poorly. He's not playing great but fail to see how madigan at 15 is less of a risk than him at 10. Madigan is a better 10 than fullback and Kearney is a better 15 than gopperth is a 10.

    fair enough


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    #619
    LorMal
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    total former wrote: »
    So it's a coincidence that the four players you suggest deporting are non Irish?

    Ah give me a ****ing break will you?


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    #620
    awec
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    Greyian wrote: »
    Leinster vs Saracens final so...but who will have the home dressing room for the final?

    There will be no more talk of finals and Saracens please.


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    #621
    stephen_n
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    total former wrote: »

    All that said, I really hope there is more to come in terms of signings. A scrum half is looking more crucial by the week.

    This big time but not just an interim one for the RWC, this will be our biggest problem position in the medium term.


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    #622
    Pudsy33
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    I didn't mean to accuse anyone of being xenophobic for the record. I just felt rhue players, who happened to be foreigners, were being singled out for unfair criticism.


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    #623
    molloyjh
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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    I didn't mean to accuse anyone of being xenophobic for the record. I just felt rhue players, who happened to be foreigners, were being singled out for unfair criticism.

    As much as I disagree with LorMals point I do think people are being a bit reactionary here. He's not happy with the NIQ/project guys we have. He didn't phrase that well to begin with but has since clarified. Any chance we can accept that and move on rather than bicker? Things are already negative enough without having to add this kind of the thing to the mix as well.....


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    #624
    Pudsy33
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    As much as I disagree with LorMals point I do think people are being a bit reactionary here. He's not happy with the NIQ/project guys we have. He didn't phrase that well to begin with but has since clarified. Any chance we can accept that and move on rather than bicker? Things are already negative enough without having two add this kind of the thing to the mix as well.....

    Totally agreed, I was attempting to clarify.

    So anyway.....Toulon...


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    #625
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    Isa done deal apparently, 2 years and will be playing but with some coaching responsibilities aligned with some experience he has gained recently.

    Some doubt about Kirchner, think there might be issues around some of the terms and conditions and I think generally he is under a little pressure which hasn't been helping his performances (certainly has looked to be trying too hard).


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    #626
    total former
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    A 2 year contract? Wow. That's a gamble if true.

    It also means that keeping Kirchner would mean no more NIQs


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    #627
    molloyjh
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    total former wrote: »
    A 2 year contract? Wow. That's a gamble if true.

    It also means that keeping Kirchner would mean no more NIQs

    Look at it this way, it gives him time to find his form more. If he was here for 3-6 months he'd only be getting back into it and he'd be gone. This way in the 16-17 season we could have Sexton, Luke, Te'o, Isa and Rob in form......

    See, positive....


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    #628
    Greyian
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    awec wrote: »
    There will be no more talk of finals and Saracens please.

    Imagine last play of the game, Saracens behind by 4 points, Chris Ashton going over in the corner, it goes up to the TMO, and Heaslip has knocked the ball out of his hands in the act of grounding.

    Or, better yet, he goes over completely unopposed and drops it while doing his swan dive.


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    #629
    awec
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    Greyian wrote: »
    Imagine last play of the game, Saracens behind by 4 points, Chris Ashton going over in the corner, it goes up to the TMO, and Heaslip has knocked the ball out of his hands in the act of grounding.

    Or, better yet, he goes over completely unopposed and drops it while doing his swan dive.

    I dream about such things regularly.


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    #630
    LorMal
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Isa done deal apparently, 2 years and will be playing but with some coaching responsibilities aligned with some experience he has gained recently.

    Some doubt about Kirchner, think there might be issues around some of the terms and conditions and I think generally he is under a little pressure which hasn't been helping his performances (certainly has looked to be trying too hard).

    its a bit strange....why did Isa leave in his prime..and want to return now? Bloody foreigners*!!!!!




    *joke


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    #631
    BoardsMember
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    Is Isa currently retired? From Wikipedia it looks like he's been retired since 2013. Tell me we're not signing a guy who will be 33 when he plays his next game, and he won't have played in two years...

    As big a fan as I was of him, that's just depressing. Particularly when we need an out half and he was average, at best, in that position.

    Has he coached before?


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