Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

Dave_The_Sheep

Could be a long night.

molloyjh

We need to have exits from our half that don't involve running the ball or relying on Boss' box kicks, which have been poor.

It's going to be a night like Edinburgh last month from the looks of it. Ross Byrne is really struggling.

Tox56

molloyjh wrote: »

We need to have exits from our half that don't involve running the ball or relying on Boss' box kicks, which have been poor.

It's going to be a night like Edinburgh last month from the looks of it. Ross Byrne is really struggling.

I have no idea why Byrne is playing

Terrible decision. Should have been advantage Leinster for holding on.

Hagz

Is boards really slow to load for anyone else?

molloyjh

Hagz wrote: »

Is boards really slow to load for anyone else?

Almost unusable.

There is a match thread btw.

bunnyarmstrong

Hagz wrote: »

Is boards really slow to load for anyone else?

Thought it was just me.

Didn't want to be the guy to ask... >_>

The Rape of Lucretia

Deteriorating degrees of unusable over the last week.
Everyone is over here :
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vienne86

Hagz wrote: »

Is boards really slow to load for anyone else?

Anyone know what the problem is?

Squidgy Black

Is McCarthy gonna be our sub SH for the rest of the world cup now with Boss after getting called up?

total former

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Is McCarthy gonna be our sub SH for the rest of the world cup now with Boss after getting called up?

Yes. Probably only for one game though (or none, if we lose tomorrow), Boss won't need a rest period after the RWC.

A 20th call-up for Leinster, fantastic.

Hagz

Delighted that McGrath will definitley start now. I suppose Nick McCarthy will be the bench option. One St.Michael's half-back partnership to start with another St.Michael's half-back partnership on the bench.

Interested Observer

total former wrote: »

A 20th call-up for Leinster, fantastic.

Not sure if that's a sarcastic "fantastic" but Boss being with Ireland does Leinster a favour, he's extremely poor and it removes and temptation Cullen might have to start him.

total former

Interested Observer wrote: »

Not sure if that's a sarcastic "fantastic" but Boss being with Ireland does Leinster a favour, he's extremely poor and it removes and temptation Cullen might have to start him.

Nothing sarcastic about it at all. As a Leinster fan I'm proud of that stat and I'm delighted for Boss, same as I was for Ruddock and McCarthy, he's earned this.

vienne86

total former wrote: »

Nothing sarcastic about it at all. As a Leinster fan I'm proud of that stat and I'm delighted for Boss, same as I was for Ruddock and McCarthy, he's earned this.

I'm delighted for Luke McGrath!

errlloyd

Hope the last player to leave Leinster remembers to turn out of the lights.

Interested Observer

What's the story with Ben Te'o, assume he's injured, how long is he out for?

vienne86

errlloyd wrote: »

Hope the last player to leave Leinster remembers to turn out of the lights.

And all fans need to bring their boots to the next few matches.

flouncer

errlloyd wrote: »

Hope the last player to leave Leinster remembers to turn out of the lights.

There is an injustice being done here. And yet there isn't. Let me suggest an equal support to all four provinces so players can be dragged from all four communities. An equal standing for all. As is, Leinster is the dominant force for our international players. So what do you want. You get your players on the international squad day in and day out. Yes, your squad is decimated. Which part of the equation doesn't work. Would be happy to hear an equal sharing of resources between provinces.

errlloyd

flouncer wrote: »

There is an injustice being done here. And yet there isn't. Let me suggest an equal support to all four provinces so players can be dragged from all four communities. An equal standing for all. As is, Leinster is the dominant force for our international players. So what do you want. You get your players on the international squad day in and day out. Yes, your squad is decimated. Which part of the equation doesn't work. Would be happy to hear an equal sharing of resources between provinces.

Ah flouncer I was just messing. Trying to make light of it. I frankly do think it's ridiculous. Leinster have an embarrassment of Riches, it's a damn shame people like Marsh, Van Den Flier and Ringrose will struggle to get a look in this year once the world cup is over.

I think there is an unfair perception their careers will be better serviced in Leinster than in connacht. Better coaching, better TV coverage leading to better awareness among fans, better opportunities to play top European rugby. And all of that ties into a better chance of being selected.

Luckily in the last few years a few of those have become less true.

Connacht are well coached, playing high level rugby, and white is one of only a few marginal calls (versus bent) that went against Leinster, so they're getting selected. Coverage has improved, TV coverage still lacking, but general press and media engagement has increased.

#sidetrack.

flouncer

errlloyd wrote: »

Ah flouncer I was just messing. Trying to make light of it. I frankly do think it's ridiculous. Leinster have an embarrassment of Riches, it's a damn shame people like Marsh, Van Den Flier and Ringrose will struggle to get a look in this year once the world cup is over.

I think there is an unfair perception their careers will be better serviced in Leinster than in connacht. Better coaching, better TV coverage leading to better awareness among fans, better opportunities to play top European rugby. And all of that ties into a better chance of being selected.

Luckily in the last few years a few of those have become less true.

Connacht are well coached, playing high level rugby, and white is one of only a few marginal calls (versus bent) that went against Leinster, so they're getting selected. Coverage has improved, TV coverage still lacking, but general press and media engagement has increased.

#sidetrack.

Having been critical of pat lam (hands raised) I would really like (not to take exception) to take issue with your viewpoint. I accept what you say about embarrassment of riches. I just pose the idea of equal share to ultimately lead towards a stronger national team (I guess that would be the point?).

stephen_n

flouncer wrote: »

There is an injustice being done here. And yet there isn't. Let me suggest an equal support to all four provinces so players can be dragged from all four communities. An equal standing for all. As is, Leinster is the dominant force for our international players. So what do you want. You get your players on the international squad day in and day out. Yes, your squad is decimated. Which part of the equation doesn't work. Would be happy to hear an equal sharing of resources between provinces.

Are you suggesting players should be forced to move to other provinces, against their will? Connacht have done fairly well out of the Leinster Academy in the last few years. Considering how many academy players are currently in our match day squads, we clearly need all we have. Unless of course you're suggesting we should fall on our own sword, figuratively speaking and get rid of our best players to other provinces, so we don't lose so many, in international windows.

errlloyd

flouncer wrote: »

Having been critical of pat lam (hands raised) I would really like (not to take exception) to take issue with your viewpoint. I accept what you say about embarrassment of riches. I just pose the idea of equal share to ultimately lead towards a stronger national team (I guess that would be the point?).

I think we agree that Ireland would be better served by the movement of Academy players to Connacht, not just at the point of their careers where they realise they're not necessarily going to be first teamers with Leinster, but slightly early perhaps.

I think we also agree Pat Lam is a great coach.

I think you support a centralised system that moves players, or a draft of some sort perhaps to get players to Connacht. I merely hope we can place enough financial investment there, that players want to move.

flouncer

stephen_n wrote: »

Are you suggesting players should be forced to move to other provinces, against their will? Connacht have done fairly well out of the Leinster Academy in the last few years. Considering how many academy players are currently in our match day squads, we clearly need all we have. Unless of course you're suggesting we should fall on our own sword, figuratively speaking and get rid of our best players to other provinces, so we don't lose so many, in international windows.

Its not a matter of forcing players. Its a matter of a balanced system that provides the best opportunities to our up and coming talent.

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's pretty mad to think that there's only 4 games left until the Champions Cup starts.

There'll only be one game between the final of the World Cup and the Wasps game. That one game is on the Friday after the World Cup final 6 days before. Even if Ireland don't make the final that's still very little time.

I wonder how, or even if, they'll be able to go about integrating our lads back in time for those games. Unfortunately our first two games are against Wasps and Bath. Both teams will have their English internationals back for the entirety of the knockouts thanks to les follies anglais.

This is Wasps team this weekend:

Miller, Wade, Daly, Macken, Bassett, Gopperth, Simpson, Mullan, Johnson, Cooper-Woolley, Cannon, Gaskell, Jones, Smith, Hughes
Festuccia, McIntyre, Swainston, Myall, Young, Robson, Jackson, Tagicakibau

Some excellent players there.

Bath's haven't announced their team yet but we know all about them.

If we lose our first two games out that's going to be the end of things unfortunately. Might be a very short European season for Leinster thanks to the success of the Irish team and the ineptitude of the English. Of course I wouldn't want it any other way!

I can't help but feel I am responsible for our loss against Argentina with this post.



BUT

In an attempt to find ANYTHING positive out of today lets hope that we get as many lads back fresh and fit into training as soon as possible so they can get their systems together in time for the Wasps game. Maybe beating the English teams in Europe will make me feel better about everything

Tox56

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I can't help but feel I am responsible for our loss against Argentina with this post.



BUT

In an attempt to find ANYTHING positive out of today lets hope that we get as many lads back fresh and fit into training as soon as possible so they can get their systems together in time for the Wasps game. Maybe beating the English teams in Europe will make me feel better about everything

Luke Fitzgerald plays for us, everything is going to be ok...

UnknownEntity

Since Ireland's RWC is over, how long will it be until we have the lads back playing for Leinster?

flouncer

haiyna wrote: »

Since Ireland's RWC is over, how long will it be until we have the lads back playing for Leinster?

Looking at Dave Kearney, I suspect broken finger, so it be a while for him. You would have to think with the player welfare system it will be at least 3 weeks before key players return, those on the fringes of the squad maybe 2 weeks. All a guess though.

Hagz

flouncer wrote: »

Looking at Dave Kearney, I suspect broken finger, so it be a while for him. You would have to think with the player welfare system it will be at least 3 weeks before key players return, those on the fringes of the squad maybe 2 weeks. All a guess though.

Where are you getting broken finger from? Looked like it was just dislocated in the game.

total former

Hagz wrote: »

Where are you getting broken finger from? Looked like it was just dislocated in the game.

Well if it was broken, the physio twisting and grabbing at it for five minutes won't have helped...

I'd hope to see the new call ups plus Furlong this week.