Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

Interested Observer · 30-10-2015 3:08pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They didn't take the captaincy off Heaslip. Kevin McLoughlin was club captain before his retirement.

That was just during the RWC period. I don't think he was ever going to be permanent captain.

CatFromHue · 30-10-2015 3:10pm

Luke at 12, Awooga!

Leinster by the GDP of a small country

.ak · 30-10-2015 3:16pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They didn't take the captaincy off Heaslip. Kevin McLoughlin was club captain before his retirement.

He wasn't. He was named temporary captain during the World Cup, heaslip was named as club captain iirc.

30-10-2015 3:28pm

.ak wrote: »

He wasn't. He was named temporary captain during the World Cup, heaslip was named as club captain iirc.

I've defended Heaslip a lot and heard great things about his leadership qualities. But Ireland looked rudderless against Argentina. Not suggesting it's Heaslips fault as I've no visibility on the team dynamic, but if he is no longer club captain as you say then three possibilities:

1. Taken off him as isn't up to it / better option available
2. Heaslip doesn't want the burden of it any more.
3. Now Ireland captain and has to focus on that.

He looked mighty shook after the loss to the Argies'.

irishbucsfan · 30-10-2015 3:34pm

.ak wrote: »

He wasn't. He was named temporary captain during the World Cup, heaslip was named as club captain iirc.

When was Heaslip named club captain?

molloyjh · 30-10-2015 3:52pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

When was Heaslip named club captain?

He wasn't. Nobody was. Locky was named the captain for the RWC and there was speculation at the time as to whether that meant Heaslip would take over when he got back, but nothing permanent was ever announced.

Zzippy · 30-10-2015 5:04pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

theres a reason out halves arent usually captain.

1. they have enough responsibility already
2. they have to ready to organise instantly, and therefore being called over for ref chats is disruptive
3. theyre always moody ba$tards

FYP

thebaz · 30-10-2015 6:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've defended Heaslip a lot and heard great things about his leadership qualities. But Ireland looked rudderless against Argentina. Not suggesting it's Heaslips fault as I've no visibility on the team dynamic, but if he is no longer club captain as you say then three possibilities:

He looked mighty shook after the loss to the Argies'.

agree, Jamie is a fine player , but I'm probably old fashioned , but like my captains more Woody/POC - we really lacked leadership against Argentina, and all week leading up to the game - certainly not Jamies fault , just don't think its his style

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 30-10-2015 6:31pm

thebaz wrote: »

agree, Jamie is a fine player , but I'm probably old fashioned , but like my captains more Woody/POC - we really lacked leadership against Argentina, and all week leading up to the game - certainly not Jamies fault , just don't think its his style

I wonder how POC's leadership would have stood up without the other leaders?
By all accounts Sexton knows everyone else's role as well as he knows his own and isn't afraid to bark orders. POM also a leader on the field.
It's a big ask for anyone to step into those shoes in such an important game, to have to do it shorn of your main support is twice as hard.

thebaz · 30-10-2015 6:48pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I wonder how POC's leadership would have stood up without the other leaders?
By all accounts Sexton knows everyone else's role as well as he knows his own and isn't afraid to bark orders. POM also a leader on the field.
It's a big ask for anyone to step into those shoes in such an important game, to have to do it shorn of your main support is twice as hard.

I agree we lost many leaders ,BUT a true great leader does not need other leaders - Jamie is many great things, but just doesn't strike me as a natural leader

ssaye2 · 30-10-2015 7:13pm

http://www.the42.ie/epcr-champions-cup-squads-provinces-2417619-Oct2015/

ssaye2 · 30-10-2015 7:17pm

http://m.epcrugby.com/matchcentre/leinster_rugby.php?section=3

Interested Observer · 30-10-2015 7:26pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

http://m.epcrugby.com/matchcentre/leinster_rugby.php?section=3

Looks grand, has anyone decent been left out?

ssaye2 · 30-10-2015 7:28pm

Interested Observer wrote: »

Looks grand, has anyone decent been left out?

Think byrne twins injured so Dundon still 3rd hooker. Not too many surprises McGrath fanning pro 12 at best

Interested Observer · 30-10-2015 7:40pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

Think byrne twins injured so Dundon still 3rd hooker. Not too many surprises McGrath fanning pro 12 at best

Is it me or are the Byrnes injured a lot?

ucdb0ller · 30-10-2015 7:41pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

Think byrne twins injured so Dundon still 3rd hooker. Not too many surprises McGrath fanning pro 12 at best

Bryan isn't injured

ucdb0ller · 30-10-2015 7:41pm

Interested Observer wrote: »

Is it me or are the Byrnes injured a lot?

they are pretty small front rowers

ssaye2 · 30-10-2015 7:52pm

ucdb0ller wrote: »

Bryan isn't injured

Sorry thought I read on lf was taken off at scarlets and not right since. Grand

.ak · 30-10-2015 7:58pm

Yeah I saw Bryan down in castle avenue training last night, he's grand.

ssaye2 · 30-10-2015 7:59pm

.ak wrote: »

Yeah I saw Bryan down in castle avenue last night, he's grand, out for the Clontarfs captain run.

Excellent very useful dynamic player

.ak · 30-10-2015 8:02pm

Interested Observer wrote: »

Looks grand, has anyone decent been left out?

No Fanning or McGrath!

Back to not trusting AIL players, sad times!

scott1974 · 30-10-2015 8:38pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

http://m.epcrugby.com/matchcentre/leinster_rugby.php?section=3

I had a look at the Toulon squad..holy cr@p.

vienne86 · 30-10-2015 9:02pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

Results couldn't have been worse in other game really for us need a BP to keeping touch

Yes we do, but with that team, I would be hopeful.

Interested Observer · 30-10-2015 9:34pm

.ak wrote: »

No Fanning or McGrath!

Back to not trusting AIL players, sad times!

I know we don't seem to agree on this but I'm delighted to see Kelleher and Ringrose in ahead of those two, development of younger backs was badly neglected over the previous 2 seasons so it seems Cullen is trying to do something about it.

Tbh I think Fanning was living a bit of a charmed life last season and he just wasn't able for the step up to higher level rugby so I'm fine with it.

vienne86 · 30-10-2015 9:48pm

.ak wrote: »

No Fanning or McGrath!

Back to not trusting AIL players, sad times!

Fanning is not up to European Cup level.

30-10-2015 9:53pm

vienne86 wrote: »

Fanning is not up to European Cup level.

His strike rate of 0.5 tries per ECC appearance say otherwise :pac:

.ak · 30-10-2015 9:53pm

vienne86 wrote: »

Fanning is not up to European Cup level.

Ye of short memories! :pac:

Zzippy · 30-10-2015 11:18pm

Interested Observer wrote: »

Tbh I think Fanning was living a bit of a charmed life last season and he just wasn't able for the step up to higher level rugby so I'm fine with it.

30-10-2015 11:52pm

Fanning put his hand up the last two seasons and when the standard of competition went up, so did his performances.

That said, we were in a bad spot injury wise to be in a situation where a barely pro12 standard player was starting European Rugby. Truth be told, for all those people who bang on about try scoring stats, he is a good example of why that doesn't say an awful lot much of the time.

jacothelad · 31-10-2015 12:56am

sydthebeat wrote: »

savea was playing club rugby at 20
james o connor made his super rugby debut at 17
Akira Ioane playing consistently with the blues last year at 20, one of their best players.

Next season should be Ringrose' breakthrough season with consistent rugby, this year he should be getting bench chances frequently.

If he's good enough he's old enough this year. If BOD appeared now we'd have the tired old claptrap - 'He needs another year.' or 'He needs 4 more kgs.'

Scythica wrote: »

Maybe Madigan is moving to Ulster to let him and PJ fight it out

We don't need a back-up 12....:D

Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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