Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

vienne86

aimee1 wrote: »

http://www.rugbyonslaught.com/2015/11/unsuprisingly-this-jimmy-gopperth.html

gopperth cited for this, might not be available for the ECC game

That was idiotic - he's going to be in trouble.

errlloyd

Quint2010 wrote: »

Ah come on lads-they just announced Nacewa as the club captain. Surely if he plays he is the captain regardless of who else plays?

I agree, but I don't think club captaincy means he automatically has to start

Rigor Mortis

CatFromHue wrote: »

What is Gopperth at?

That looks like he's leading with the elbow on purpose!

Wow, that was some smack!

Tox56

Quint2010 wrote: »

Ah come on lads-they just announced Nacewa as the club captain. Surely if he plays he is the captain regardless of who else plays?

This is possible but it would seem strange to me if Heaslip was on the pitch and Nacewa was captaining ahead of him. Heaslip has been groomed for the role for years, was our captain last year, has been captaining Ireland (and would seem likely to take over that role permanently) and if nothing else its generally accepted that forwards are preferable as captains to back 3 players for ease of communication with the ref

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

errlloyd wrote: »

I agree, but I don't think club captaincy means he automatically has to start

Captaincy doesn't mean he should automatically start but his form so far this season would make it hard to drop him.

Tox56 wrote: »

This is possible but it would seem strange to me if Heaslip was on the pitch and Nacewa was captaining ahead of him. Heaslip has been groomed for the role for years, was our captain last year, has been captaining Ireland (and would seem likely to take over that role permanently) and if nothing else its generally accepted that forwards are preferable as captains to back 3 players for ease of communication with the ref

Barring the 6 Nations period Heaslip will probably play most matches so why bother naming Isa as anything if Heaslip is just going to be captain?

errlloyd

He's red hot at the moment. I'd love to know what he's learned in his two years off and if he thinks he could be a better player now

molloyjh

CatFromHue wrote: »

What is Gopperth at?

That looks like he's leading with the elbow on purpose!

Worse, it looks like he really swung for him. Could be in some serious trouble there.

typhoony

what makes it worse is that after leading with the elbow he tries to disguise by catching a non existant ball, thats 6 weeks right there

CatFromHue

It's bizarre as it looks really dirty but Gopperth isn't a dirty player so doesn't make sense.

Stheno

Lads, can I ask you a question? Do any of you do the thing where you pay for a majority of your leinster season ticket and then they do a payment each month?

I signed up for that but they've not taken anything out of my account apart from the initial payment back in the middle of September at all?

Any thoughts on this?

.ak

CatFromHue wrote: »

It's bizarre as it looks really dirty but Gopperth isn't a dirty player so doesn't make sense.

Maybe tait tried to get under his skin... And did.

Teferi

typhoony wrote: »

what makes it worse is that after leading with the elbow he tries to disguise by catching a non existant ball, thats 6 weeks right there

Unless they're looking to make an example there isn't a hope he is getting 6 weeks. It will be 2/3 weeks reduced to 1/2 because he wore a suit to the hearing, apologised on Twitter, had his priest write a letter of recommendation etc.

.ak

Aside from that, how's he been going at wasps?

irishbucsfan

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Barring the 6 Nations period Heaslip will probably play most matches so why bother naming Isa as anything if Heaslip is just going to be captain?

Again, you're missing the fact that there is a difference between club captain and the person who gets named captain for an individual game.

molloyjh

Stheno wrote: »

Lads, can I ask you a question? Do any of you do the thing where you pay for a majority of your leinster season ticket and then they do a payment each month?

I signed up for that but they've not taken anything out of my account apart from the initial payment back in the middle of September at all?

Any thoughts on this?

Strange, they've taken mine each month since I renewed. It's probably a bank thing. New DDs have to in to the bank 2 weeks or so in advance of being taken from your account, whereas existing DDs need just a week or so. If Leinster didn't get the DD file in on time for whatever reason then it could be delayed. Wait and see this month if anything comes out.

molloyjh

.ak wrote: »

Aside from that, how's he been going at wasps?

Was talking to a Wasps mate about it and he's not made much of an impression really according to him. Some have even said already that they need a new 10. I haven't seen them yet this season so I don't know how fair that is.

I can see him being out for 2 weeks for that incident though so we may not get to see first hand yet.

errlloyd

Leinster seem reasonably confident Fitz will be out this weekend but back for Wasps.

errlloyd

errlloyd wrote: »

Leinster seem reasonably confident Fitz will be out this weekend but back for Wasps.

It's a tough one to call. Fitz needs time at centre with T'eo if they are going to be first choice. But with his injury profile it makes sense to have Reid and T'eo playing together as much as possible.

scott1974

Any Idea when Charles Piutau joins Wasps

former total

scott1974 wrote: »

Any Idea when Charles Piutau joins Wasps

He's not in their European squad yet anyway so won't be available to play us.

vienne86

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a tough one to call. Fitz needs time at centre with T'eo if they are going to be first choice. But with his injury profile it makes sense to have Reid and T'eo playing together as much as possible.

I thought Reid and T'eo looked good together at the weekend, but then of course the opposition would make anyone look good.

I really hope that Fitz is OK and will only miss one week - by his standards, he has had a decent injury free run lately.

errlloyd

Has anyone worked out what we are gonna do with Zane Kircherner yet? He just doesn't really fit in at the moment, although I respect the fact he can cover lots of positions - and he'd be relying on injuries. He doesn't make my European 23 on merit and he doesn't make my Rabo 23 because I rate it as a development opportunity.

hogandrew

So far this year in the 2 games I've seen Scarlets play they've been blatantly having a player cut across in front of the opposition just after or during the tackle, slowing players getting to the breakdown and turning over ball or slowing it considerably.

Both Leinster and Munster seemed to struggle with it and I don't remember seeing them pulled up on it. Is it fair game to hit a player who is a yard offside at your side of the ruck as if he were part of the ruck?

I know all teams try this but Scarlets appear to target it big time.

former total

errlloyd wrote: »

Has anyone worked out what we are gonna do with Zane Kircherner yet? He just doesn't really fit in at the moment, although I respect the fact he can cover lots of positions - and he'd be relying on injuries. He doesn't make my European 23 on merit and he doesn't make my Rabo 23 because I rate it as a development opportunity.

We leave him on the bench or in the stands until he's needed and we play him in the Pro12 when we have to rest people.

If Leinster are serious about getting back to the top of the pile, then we need quality cover in all positions. We can't be in a position where we have to be going to the likes of Fanning, Mick McGrath or the academy for European games, we need depth and quality.

RichieRich89

errlloyd wrote: »

Has anyone worked out what we are gonna do with Zane Kircherner yet? He just doesn't really fit in at the moment, although I respect the fact he can cover lots of positions - and he'd be relying on injuries. He doesn't make my European 23 on merit and he doesn't make my Rabo 23 because I rate it as a development opportunity.

Yep, my suspicion is that we were allowed to re-sign him because MOC was intending to play Nacewa at 10. But with Nacewa now viewed as a back three option Kirchner is pretty much surplus to requirements. Kelleher has hardly got a look in even with him away

Tox56

errlloyd wrote: »

Leinster seem reasonably confident Fitz will be out this weekend but back for Wasps.

And so it begins

"And on the third day The Lord said: 'Give Luke just one more week will ye'"

molloyjh

hogandrew wrote: »

So far this year in the 2 games I've seen Scarlets play they've been blatantly having a player cut across in front of the opposition just after or during the tackle, slowing players getting to the breakdown and turning over ball or slowing it considerably.

Both Leinster and Munster seemed to struggle with it and I don't remember seeing them pulled up on it. Is it fair game to hit a player who is a yard offside at your side of the ruck as if he were part of the ruck?

I know all teams try this but Scarlets appear to target it big time.

It seems to be more and more common now to take guys out of the game beyond the ruck or obstruct them joining the ruck entirely. It's a bug bear of mine at the moment but you have to play the ref so can't really knock Scarlets for it.

dub_skav

molloyjh wrote: »

It seems to be more and more common now to take guys out of the game beyond the ruck or obstruct them joining the ruck entirely. It's a bug bear of mine at the moment but you have to play the ref so can't really knock Scarlets for it.

You can win a World Cup doing it

*I'm not for one second saying this is what won them the WC, they were far and away the best team, but they were the best at systematically obstructing the ruck

molloyjh

dub_skav wrote: »

You can win a World Cup doing it

*I'm not for one second saying this is what won them the WC, they were far and away the best team, but they were the best at systematically obstructing the ruck

It has become a regular occurrence and it's bloody frustrating to watch I find.

tbm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Mads is back. His hair is not.



Interesting to see where he fits in this season.

I dunno, I'd say he'll be going. Why would he stay? I believe he's an ECC and international standard 10, he just needs to be trusted and given time there. Sexton is back, Marsh is going well. I'd be looking at the T14 or the Premiership if I was him. I don't want him to go, but I really want him to succeed. He deserves it.

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