Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

rrpc

rrpc wrote: »

Devin Toner talking about training in The 42.

Jeez, that a bit of a damning quote from a player about a recent coach.

I've heard one or two small things from current and ex players since MOC departed but that is the strongest worded I'm aware of and it sounds like there is plenty more under the surface.

From Dev too...

EDIT: read the article, the second part was journalist commentary and not Dev's words so above is irrelevant.

former total

Deleted User wrote: »

EDIT: read the article, the second part was journalist commentary and not Dev's words so above is irrelevant.

Yeah, exactly.

I really wish people would stop quoting from the42.ie, it's the worst source of "news" on the internet.

molloyjh

former total wrote: »

Yeah, exactly.

I really wish people would stop quoting from the42.ie, it's the worst source of "news" on the internet.

Ah it's a step up from balls.ie in fairness. Not that that's saying much.

rrpc

former total wrote: »

Yeah, exactly.

I really wish people would stop quoting from the42.ie, it's the worst source of "news" on the internet.

I'd agree on that if you were talking about the journal, but the 42 is pretty good for rugby commentary and news.

That comment is pretty innocuous to be fair. It's only interesting as a contrast.

former total

rrpc wrote: »

I'd agree on that if you were talking about the journal, but the 42 is pretty good for rugby commentary and news.

That comment is pretty innocuous to be fair. It's only interesting as a contrast.

It's terrible journalism, it's blurring the lines between reporting and subjective comment. If the dude who wrote this wants to speculate on last season, grand, but it should be clearly separated from what Toner said about training under Leo.

I know most people don't care about this, but it's a pet hate of mine and the42 are the worst culprits for it.

molloyjh

former total wrote: »

It's terrible journalism, it's blurring the lines between reporting and subjective comment. If the dude who wrote this wants to speculate on last season, grand, but it should be clearly separated from what Toner said about training under Leo.

I know most people don't care about this, but it's a pet hate of mine and the42 are the worst culprits for it.

He's not actually speculating though is he? The quote from the article basically says that there were times that the press conferences were delayed because training was running over time. Or at least that's how I read the quote. I suppose he was speculating as to the impact that had on the players.

That said I neither know nor care at this stage. It's in the past and I'm more than happy to just move on. I like the noises coming from Leo on guys like Ringrose and Moloney. They've impressed and that they are doing so from Monday to Friday as well is really positive news. I'd much rather focus on stuff like that personally. It'll be interesting to see how Leo does in the next few months in terms of managing the group of players. That kind of thing can be a tough juggling act and few people are naturals from the off. Good managers will have learned with experience.

former total

15 Aled Thomas, 14 Tom Williams, 13 Gareth Owen, 12 Hadleigh Parkes, 11 Michael Tagicakibau, 10 Dan Jones, 9 Gareth Davies, 1 Rob Evans, 2 Emyr Phillips, 3 Peter Edwards, 4 Jake Ball, 5 Lewis Rawlins, 6 Aaron Shingler, 7 James Davies, 8 John Barclay [c]

Replacements: Ken Owens, Dylan Evans, Will Taylor, Tom Price, Maselino Paulino, Aled Davies, Michael Collins, Harry Robinson

Not their strongest side by any means, DTHVDM and Samson Lee are rested, they have a few key injuries - I'd be hoping for a win here.

ssaye2

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/14210#.VjtGB7fhDcs
LEINSTER:

15. Rob Kearney
14. Zane Kirchner
13. Garry Ringrose
12. Noel Reid
11. Cian Kelleher
10. Ian Madigan
9. Isaac Boss
1. Cian Healy
2. James Tracy
3. Mike Ross
4. Devin Toner
5. Tom Denton
6. Dominic Ryan
7. Sean O'Brien
8. Jamie Heaslip CAPTAIN

16. Bryan Byrne
17. Jack McGrath
18. Marty Moore
19. Hayden Triggs
20. Dan Leavy
21. Luke McGrath
22. Johnny Sexton
23. Ben Te'o

ssaye2

Poster above correct on ringrose

half and half team with the 5 day turnaround since treviso

Going to be tough enough, bench very strong

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Looks like everyone's looking at the following weekend with these selections.

Interested Observer

Some good and some bad in there. Boss, Ryan, Denton, what's the point?

former total

James Tracy??

Am I right in saying that is an entirely new starting XV?

scott1974

That's a bit of a curve ball from Leo...

errlloyd

former total wrote: »

James Tracy??

Am I right in saying that is an entirely new starting XV?

Did Healy start last week. I can't remember.

former total

errlloyd wrote: »

Did Healy start last week. I can't remember.

No, McGrath got a try after about three minutes.

I'm delighted for Tracy to be making his first start but the fact that neither Cronin nor Strauss are in the 23 is slightly alarming.

molloyjh

Wow, I half expected a mix and match but not that. Imagine how giddy Tracy is right now. And Kelleher in the back 3 alongside Zane and Rob. I was talking earlier about managing the playing group but I think that's pure genius. All the internationals will get a run out prior to the Wasps game, but the young lads won't be feeling shut out at the same time. Plus look at what the finishing XV will probably look like:

Healy Byrne Moore
Toner Triggs
SOB Heaslip Leavy

McGrath Sexton
Reid Te'o
Ringrose Kearney Kirchner

I'm seriously excited about this game now. It won't be a gimme by any stretch of the imagination but I reckon Leo is managing this just right. Remember we don't have a break until the 6 Nations so we need to keep everyone fresh and up to speed.

Journeyman_1

Wow, who would have expected Leinster to put out a team like that against the League leaders. I reckon Boss is there to have some experience for the young guys out side him. A McGrath, Madigan, Reid, Ringrose, Kelleher combination would be lacking in leadership/experience quite a bit even with Kirchner and Kearney alongside. Boss will bark orders at the younger guys in the pack well.

LostArt

former total wrote: »

No, McGrath got a try after about three minutes.

I'm delighted for Tracy to be making his first start but the fact that neither Cronin nor Strauss are in the 23 is slightly alarming.

Cronin's injured so I'd say Strauss isn't playing to protect him for next week

errlloyd

molloyjh wrote: »

Healy Byrne Moore
Toner Triggs
SOB Heaslip Leavy

McGrath Sexton
Reid Te'o
Ringrose Kearney Kirchner

I'm seriously excited about this game now. It won't be a gimme by any stretch of the imagination but I reckon Leo is managing this just right. Remember we don't have a break until the 6 Nations so we need to keep everyone fresh and up to speed.

You mean for Europe? The fact we can't predict Leo's starting team is great, but I think youre getting a bit excited. I don't see Ringrose leap frogging Irelands starting winger, leinster's captain, a British and Irish lion and Fergus mcfadden just yet.

I also reckon reddan will start, along with Strauss and McCarthy.

Leavy ahead of VDF, Ruddock, Ryan and Murphy?

thomond2006

Ringrose at 13. Noice.

molloyjh

errlloyd wrote: »

You mean for Europe? The fact we can't predict Leo's starting team is great, but I think youre getting a bit excited. I don't see Ringrose leap frogging Irelands starting winger, leinster's captain, a British and Irish lion and Fergus mcfadden just yet.

I also reckon reddan will start, along with Strauss and McCarthy.

Leavy ahead of VDF, Ruddock, Ryan and Murphy?

No I mean the XV that will end the game tomorrow (injuries permitting).

Sangre

I think that team will struggle - lots of changed units.

errlloyd

Ah I get you. I'd like to see R Kearney tried on the wing. He runs straight hard, actually picks decent lines but can't create for anyone else. I know Isa used to shift, but my one negative observation is he looks a bit slow.

Neil3030

Sangre wrote: »

I think that team will struggle smash it - lots of changedtotal beast jock units.

FYP

NiallBoo

Great mix of experience and potential in that line-up. I think it'll be far from smooth sailing, but I'm happy to see it.

I'd say that ringrose is ahead of McFadden on current form and if he keeps it up he'll be starting for ireland in about 2 years (maybe a crazy claim, but I've been very impressed).

Quint2010

Seriously excited to see Ringrose at 13. Thats his natural position and hope he takes his chance. He looks the real deal.

sydthebeat

sorry lads, a half back pairing of boss and madigan doesnt fill me with much confidence.
we're going to need our forward pack trucking along and im not sure we'd get it with that front 5. Our back row is solid and we should get some joy there, but boss will have to be at his fastest with clean ball in order for mads to get the line working.

if we see boss getting involved in rucks in the first 30 minutes thats going to be a bad indicator for the rest of the game.

if we can keep parity for the first 50, our bench is more than capable of getting us beyond the 8 point spread.
but if we're behind by that margin at 50... id be very concerned

stephen_n

Would have loved to see T'eo start at 12 alongside Ringrose, that could be a seriously dangerous partnership. Mind you with Luke injured, I'd say they want to risk T'eo as little as possible.

Beery Eyed

Quint2010 wrote: »

Seriously excited to see Ringrose at 13. Thats his natural position and hope he takes his chance. He looks the real deal.

It's great to see him getting a start at 13 alright. One slight concern I have in these situations is that people immediately expect a huge amount.

13 is now one of the hardest position on the pitch, with huge demands defensively, and major expectations in attack. A young 13's first couple of seasons are as much about finding their way into the higher level, rather than making an immediate impact. Hopefully he can make a break or two & catch peoples eye, but if he just ends up being solid I'd be happy enough with that for now.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Beery Eyed wrote: »

It's great to see him getting a start at 13 alright. One slight concern I have in these situations is that people immediately expect a huge amount.

13 is now one of the hardest position on the pitch, with huge demands defensively, and major expectations in attack. A young 13's first couple of seasons are as much about finding their way into the higher level, rather than making an immediate impact. Hopefully he can make a break or two & catch peoples eye, but if he just ends up being solid I'd be happy enough with that for now.

I wonder if they're looking at Ringrose to replace Te'o next season, if he doesn't re sign. Or maybe that's still a bit soon.