Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

Clegg · 08-12-2015 12:26am

To bullet point the entire thing

Te'o gone
Madigan gone
Moore or Ross gone

Henshaw in
New Zealand scrum half in.

vienne86 · 08-12-2015 12:26am

aimee1 wrote: »

Boss and Reddan might not be around beyond this season so I wouldnt see it as a bad thing for McGrath

I can't see Boss continuing after this season, but Reddan might want to go on. However, he'd need to be a lot better than he has been in the last few weeks.

Zzippy · 08-12-2015 12:27am

case885 wrote: »

Moore to Munster and Madigan to Connacht is a much better scenario, either way it seems Leinster's players are being auctioned off

Well it seems they're getting Henshaw so they can't complain. Would say it's more a case of recognising there's a bottleneck of talent at one province and trying to ensure they get more gametime to develop. Exactly what Nucifora was brought in to do.

vienne86 · 08-12-2015 12:30am

Zzippy wrote: »

Well it seems they're getting Henshaw so they can't complain. Would say it's more a case of recognising there's a bottleneck of talent at one province and trying to ensure they get more gametime to develop. Exactly what Nucifora was brought in to do.

Maybe we wouldn't be losing so many to Ireland camps!

aimee1 · 08-12-2015 12:33am

vienne86 wrote: »

Maybe we wouldn't be losing so many to Ireland camps!

I think Kirchner is a waste of a spot. And if Teo goes I would hope Leinster are able to recruit a few players who wont be lost to the RC/AI with touring sides.

Bazzo · 08-12-2015 12:33am

Don't forget John Cooney only signed on for a year with Connacht. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him heading back to Leinster next season(although I'd happily keep him at Connacht!)

phog · 08-12-2015 12:34am

former total wrote: »

Well, Joe doesn't think so and if these rumours are true then neither does Nucifora.

Joe signed Gopperth because he hadn't much faith in Madigan, Joe picked Keately ahead of Madigan in the 6Ns earlier this year. He really hasn't shown much faith in Madigan as an outhalf. Seems to like him as a 22or 23. I'd be okay with him filling that role in Munster but not as a guy coming to learn the game.

leftleg · 08-12-2015 12:37am

phog wrote: »

Joe signed Gopperth because he hadn't much faith in Madigan, Joe picked Keately ahead of Madigan in the 6Ns earlier this year. He really hasn't shown much faith in Madigan as an outhalf. Seems to like him as a 22or 23. I'd be okay with him filling that role in Munster but not as a guy coming to learn the game.

Showed enough faith in him to play him at 10 in the world cup. Sexton was always going to be No. 1 but you cant say Joe didn't back him on the biggest stage.

aimee1 · 08-12-2015 12:37am

phog wrote: »

Joe signed Gopperth because he hadn't much faith in Madigan, Joe picked Keately ahead of Madigan in the 6Ns earlier this year. He really hasn't shown much faith in Madigan as an outhalf. Seems to like him as a 22or 23. I'd be okay with him filling that role in Munster but not as a guy coming to learn the game.

When does Keatley's contract expire?

case885 · 08-12-2015 12:39am

Funny thing is he could get less time at out half for Munster than he does at Leinster, he could end up being first choice 12.

phog · 08-12-2015 12:42am

leftleg wrote: »

Showed enough faith in him to play him at 10 in the world cup. Sexton was always going to be No. 1 but you cant say Joe didn't back him on the biggest stage.

World Cup is hugely different as you must name a squad in advance and there are tight rules around replacements. Madigan's versatility was a huge factor in him getting into the squad and matchday squads.

In the 6Ns he could pick and choose and when Sexcton wasn't available he opted for the next best outhalf in Keatley.

aimee1 · 08-12-2015 12:43am

phog wrote: »

World Cup is hugely different as you must name a squad in advance and there are tight rules around replacements. Madigan's versatility was a huge factor in him getting into the squad and matchday squads.

In the 6Ns he could pick and choose and when Sexcton wasn't available he opted for the next best outhalf in Keatley.

well he could have picked PJ.

PJ most likely would have started in Italy but for injury

phog · 08-12-2015 12:44am

aimee1 wrote: »

When does Keatley's contract expire?

According to Thomond's post on the Munster thread its 2017 the same for Bleyendaal.

phog · 08-12-2015 12:45am

aimee1 wrote: »

well he could have picked PJ.

PJ most likely would have started in Italy but for injury

So he couldn't have picked PJ, could he?

case885 · 08-12-2015 12:46am

phog wrote:

According to Thomond's post on the Munster thread its 2017 the same for Bleyendaal.

Keeping the 10 spot warm until JJ returns.

aimee1 · 08-12-2015 12:46am

phog wrote: »

So he couldn't have picked PJ, could he?

I meant in the RWC sorry. PJ could have been picked ahead of Madigan to play v Argentina.

phog · 08-12-2015 12:52am

aimee1 wrote: »

I meant in the RWC sorry. PJ could have been picked ahead of Madigan to play v Argentina.

No because Joe picked Madigan as a utility back instead of giving PJ game time then when Sexton got injured Joe & Ireland were up the creek.

phog · 08-12-2015 12:54am

case885 wrote: »

Keeping the 10 spot warm until JJ returns.

If we sign Madigan and he gets more than 2017 out of it then we won't see JJ coming home.

aimee1 · 08-12-2015 12:57am

phog wrote: »

If we sign Madigan and he gets more than 2017 out of it then we won't see JJ coming home.

Keatley and Bleyendaal out, Madigan and JJ as 10s. I they are blocking SH signings as reported then there is logic to it

phog · 08-12-2015 1:05am

aimee1 wrote: »

Keatley and Bleyendaal out, Madigan and JJ as 10s. I they are blocking SH signings as reported then there is logic to it

Probably more suited to the Munster thread but can the IRFU break their contracts just like that. BTW, I'm not sure either JJ or Madigan are any better than the incumbents.

Bridge93 · 08-12-2015 1:06am

If we lost:
Teo
Ross
Madigan
Boss
Kirchner (how longs his contract?)

And gained:
Henshaw
NZ scrum half
One other

I'd be very happy. Don't want to see Moore go to keep Ross. Would make no sense from a Leinster perspective

The Pheasant2 · 08-12-2015 1:11am

Yeah I'd agree, hopefully it'll be Ross going west. Wonder who the scrummy will be

Bazzo · 08-12-2015 1:15am

I doubt anybody wants Ross TBH. He doesn't offer anything over young developing players.

Bridge93 · 08-12-2015 1:21am

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Yeah I'd agree, hopefully it'll be Ross going west. Wonder who the scrummy will be

From Super Rugby at the minute I can only think of Weber and Pulu from the Chiefs but both have a couple of caps I think.
Mitchell Drummond st the Crusaders if we could somehow entice him would be a decent bit of business I think

The Pheasant2 · 08-12-2015 1:28am

I'd definitely take Pulu over a less good project player

Bridge93 · 08-12-2015 1:32am

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

I'd definitely take Pulu over a less good project player

At 25 and with no realistic all black chances I'd say we may have a better chance of attracting him than Drummond at 21
The sceptic I am tells me it's all hot air on my part either way

aimee1 · 08-12-2015 8:24am

phog wrote: »

Probably more suited to the Munster thread but can the IRFU break their contracts just like that. BTW, I'm not sure either JJ or Madigan are any better than the incumbents.

If madigan goes south you have to assume IK and TB wont have contracts renewed in 2017 unless TB sticks to 12? Especially if JJ is tempted back after his 2 years at saints.

Im looking at this from the JS/DN view and what is the logic. They have to work things around current contracts too.

If madigan goes it opens up more gametime to marsh and byrne at leinster especially in international windows.

molloyjh · 08-12-2015 8:26am

Podge_irl wrote: »

I think I spent about 70% of my waking hours in the Connemara and 15% at the game.

Alas, I spent the other 15% wandering the streets looking for my friend who went missing with a dead phone so I got a good view of Bordeux, just not in a great state!

You saw more than me so!

aimee1 · 08-12-2015 8:31am

Bridge93 wrote: »

From Super Rugby at the minute I can only think of Weber and Pulu from the Chiefs but both have a couple of caps I think.
Mitchell Drummond st the Crusaders if we could somehow entice him would be a decent bit of business I think

Are any of these lads capable at 10 or purely 9s?

phog · 08-12-2015 8:54am

aimee1 wrote: »

If madigan goes south you have to assume IK and TB wont have contracts renewed in 2017 unless TB sticks to 12? Especially if JJ is tempted back after his 2 years at saints.

Im looking at this from the JS/DN view and what is the logic. They have to work things around current contracts too.

If madigan goes it opens up more gametime to marsh and byrne at leinster especially in international windows.

So Munster gets a below player to replace a below par player, it probably stalls the development of Scannell and might delay the return of JJ. Thanks but no thanks.

As opening up gametime for Marsh & Byrne won't Madigan be in Irish camp as much as Sexton?

Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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