Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

Your employer can block you from moving jobs within the same company all they want.

You think you can walk into your bosses office and demand you be moved to working for HR tomorrow?

People request internal transfers all the time and decent companies try to facilitate where possible all the time. Professional Development Plans and things like that help you to plan your career and it's direction. If a company is 100% dictatorial in that regard they will lose employees that they might be able to keep by managing them better.

Interested Observer

awec wrote: »

Your employer can block you from moving jobs within the same company all they want.

You think you can walk into your bosses office and demand you be moved to working for HR tomorrow?

No because I have no idea how to do anything HR related and putting my ego aside I'm probably not that valuable a resource (as in I can be replaced). However I certainly can move to a different project within my company doing the same job, after some negotiation.

Henshaw isn't walking into his bosses office demanding to play soccer, he'd be demanding to do the exact same job for a different team, and he'll be off to England or France in two seconds flat if he's not happy with how he's treated here. Of course he has a say in this.

awec

I guess I am not saying he has no say, but he shouldn't be holding the IRFU to ransom here.

I suspect tunes would be a bit different if it was rumoured that JDVF or Ringrose were asking for a move to Limerick. "Ah sure it's whatever the player wants, up to them". I think not.

Interested Observer

awec wrote: »

I guess I am not saying he has no say, but he shouldn't be holding the IRFU to ransom here.

I suspect tunes would be a bit different if it was rumoured that JDVF or Ringrose were asking for a move to Limerick. "Ah sure it's whatever the player wants, up to them". I think not.

Of course I wouldn't be happy about one of Leinster's best young players leaving Leinster, but that has little to do with what we're talking about?

awec

awec wrote: »

I guess I am not saying he has no say, but he shouldn't be holding the IRFU to ransom here.

I suspect tunes would be a bit different if it was rumoured that JDVF or Ringrose were asking for a move to Limerick. "Ah sure it's whatever the player wants, up to them". I think not.

Don't think they would and that's needlessly bringing provincialism into this.

For example I don't want Madigan going anywhere but respect his decision to do so.

Tox56

awec wrote: »

I guess I am not saying he has no say, but he shouldn't be holding the IRFU to ransom here.

I suspect tunes would be a bit different if it was rumoured that JDVF or Ringrose were asking for a move to Limerick. "Ah sure it's whatever the player wants, up to them". I think not.

I wouldnt be happy about it at all but it would be lunacy to expect the IRFU to demand them to stay if they actually wanted to leave, and it would benefit nobody

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

I guess I am not saying he has no say, but he shouldn't be holding the IRFU to ransom here.

I suspect tunes would be a bit different if it was rumoured that JDVF or Ringrose were asking for a move to Limerick. "Ah sure it's whatever the player wants, up to them". I think not.

You mean the way Conway did and nobody cried foul? A few of us didn't get the reason for the move, but we didn't have an issue with it.

awec

molloyjh wrote: »

You mean the way Conway did and nobody cried foul? A few of us didn't get the reason for the move, but we didn't have an issue with it.

Ah come on. Conway and Henshaw are miles apart. So are Madigan and Henshaw. I doubt Connacht would be annoyed if some of their lesser players jumped ship in fairness either.

We're talking about Connachts best player here.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

awec wrote: »

Ah come on. Conway and Henshaw are miles apart. So are Madigan and Henshaw. I doubt Connacht would be annoyed if some of their lesser players jumped ship in fairness either.

We're talking about Connachts best player here.

I see your point and agree but Henshaw has missed a lot of this season through WC and now injury and Connacht seem to be doing just fine.

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

Ah come on. Conway and Henshaw are miles apart. So are Madigan and Henshaw. I doubt Connacht would be annoyed if some of their lesser players jumped ship in fairness either.

We're talking about Connachts best player here.

You'll noticed I replied to a post about VDF and Ringrose.

The point still applies, probably more so for Henshaw. The better the player the more you'll do to keep him happy. If he wants to move to Leinster and if it isn't something that will hurt his international game then why not let him move?

flouncer

awec wrote: »

Ah come on. Conway and Henshaw are miles apart. So are Madigan and Henshaw. I doubt Connacht would be annoyed if some of their lesser players jumped ship in fairness either.

We're talking about Connachts best player here.

Henshaw is Connacht's best player? In what reality? He normally isn't available for Connacht and then he is hmmmm? What a muffin viewpoint. You must be reading the papers than watching the games!

aimee1

henshaw is out of contract so he holds the aces. He can tell the IRFU he wants to switch to leinster [assuming Leinster have let him know they would like him to join] which is why he dropped a hint recently about being open to moving abroad

Zzippy

Interested Observer wrote: »

What if you're Robbie Henshaw, do you get a say?

You're out of contract, you look at what offers you get, of course you get a say. The IRFU could always decide Ringrose needs to be given the opportunity to develop so they tell Robbie his only Irish offers are Connacht and Munster (for example). He gets a say, he just doesn't get an offer from Leinster.

aimee1 wrote: »

henshaw is out of contract so he holds the aces. He can tell the IRFU he wants to switch to leinster [assuming Leinster have let him know they would like him to join] which is why he dropped a hint recently about being open to moving abroad

He actually said he had offers from abroad but that he wanted to remain in Ireland. That actually weakens his position as he has effectively given up a bargaining chip by letting his employer know he is reluctant to leave.

flouncer

Zzippy wrote: »

You're out of contract, you look at what offers you get, of course you get a say. The IRFU could always decide Ringrose needs to be given the opportunity to develop so they tell Robbie his only Irish offers are Connacht and Munster (for example). He gets a say, he just doesn't get an offer from Leinster.




He actually said he had offers from abroad but that he wanted to remain in Ireland. That actually weakens his position as he has effectively given up a bargaining chip by letting his employer know he is reluctant to leave.

Do you honestly think that our players are not given enticingly good offers. Nucifora is doing a really good job as I see it. Haven heard some of the offers its astounding everybody doesn't move abroad.

On another measure it is worrying about where Irish rugby is at.. Its funny to say gilroy is exciting, that toh is exciting but we want our own boring team.

Maybe good reason to pack in this Irish setup and feic off

Interested Observer

Maybe I'm missing something but what is the story with Tom Denton, and why is he getting starts? He just doesn't look up to it to me, would much rather see Moloney in there.

Bridge93

Interested Observer wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something but what is the story with Tom Denton, and why is he getting starts? He just doesn't look up to it to me, would much rather see Moloney in there.

I would hope today is the last we see of him until the 6N. He was horribly exposed

leakyboots

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

BOD on twitter backing Ringrose for Ireland v Wales

BOD, as a pundit, is an idiot

swiwi_

Deleted User wrote: »

Toulon have probably the best starting 15 of any team outside of NZ so even not being on top of their game are still formidable.

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Watching Toulouse spank Toulon [31-8, Toulouse who lost the Ulster double-header], big hits, suffocating defense.....we should have gotten at least one win against them, they are a limited outfit, big and nothing else.

Which is it lads?

Personally, I think too much credit is given to the French sides, almost like supporters psych themselves out before the match starts.

There is no way Toulon are the 2nd best side in all of world rugby, 1/4 finalists at best at the recent RWC if clubs could play. I'm not even completely convinced they are the best side in the European Cup this season.

Leinster gave a decent enough acccount of themselves, especially in the 2nd fixture, it was more strength on the bench that made the difference.

Snakey Ringrose looks a very decent centre, although I see BOD has given him the selectorial kiss of death. Personally, I agree with BOD in that I think he should make the Irish squad, but starting might be (is probably) a stretch too far. The usual incumbents, the Ulster lads, and Fitz himself will provide plenty of competition for spots.

vienne86

swiwi_ wrote: »

Which is it lads?

Personally, I think too much credit is given to the French sides, almost like supporters psych themselves out before the match starts.

There is no way Toulon are the 2nd best side in all of world rugby, 1/4 finalists at best at the recent RWC if clubs could play. I'm not even completely convinced they are the best side in the European Cup this season.

Leinster gave a decent enough acccount of themselves, especially in the 2nd fixture, it was more strength on the bench that made the difference.

Snakey Ringrose looks a very decent centre, although I see BOD has given him the selectorial kiss of death. Personally, I agree with BOD in that I think he should make the Irish squad, but starting might be (is probably) a stretch too far. The usual incumbents, the Ulster lads, and Fitz himself will provide plenty of competition for spots.

I agree with you about Toulon - I can't see them winning the Champions Cup this year.

Ringrose is certainly living up to his billing - that was a class run that led to Leinster's first try. I'm a lot less concerned about T'eo's departure now.

bilston

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

BOD on twitter backing Ringrose for Ireland v Wales

He looks quality, he is reminiscent of BOD himself, but I actually think he plays a bit more like Conrad Smith (think swiwi described him as snakey!) than BOD. I won't have seen as much of him as the rest of you but I think he maybe has a bit more of a languid style about his game, BOD was maybe a bit more explosive.

As for Ireland, get him in the squad asap. Starting against Wales is unlikely mind.

Leinster have some talent coming through. Furlong, Tracey, Molony, Van Der Flier, McGrath and Ringrose all represent a new cycle for you guys. Any decent back three players on the horizon?

aimee1

bilston wrote: »

Leinster have some talent coming through. Furlong, Tracey, Molony, Van Der Flier, McGrath and Ringrose all represent a new cycle for you guys. Any decent back three players on the horizon?

cian kelleher played a few times during RWC on the wing.

Redgirl82

I had to have stupid family over an dmissed the match

Is there anywya to watch replay?

aimee1

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I had to have stupid family over an dmissed the match

Is there anywya to watch replay?

it was on tg4 so their player?

Redgirl82

Redgirl82 wrote: »

I had to have stupid family over an dmissed the match

Is there anywya to watch replay?

TG4 player and I wouldn't be surprised to see it on Youtube in the coming days.

molloyjh

swiwi_ wrote: »

Which is it lads?

Personally, I think too much credit is given to the French sides, almost like supporters psych themselves out before the match starts.

There is no way Toulon are the 2nd best side in all of world rugby, 1/4 finalists at best at the recent RWC if clubs could play. I'm not even completely convinced they are the best side in the European Cup this season.

Leinster gave a decent enough acccount of themselves, especially in the 2nd fixture, it was more strength on the bench that made the difference.

Snakey Ringrose looks a very decent centre, although I see BOD has given him the selectorial kiss of death. Personally, I agree with BOD in that I think he should make the Irish squad, but starting might be (is probably) a stretch too far. The usual incumbents, the Ulster lads, and Fitz himself will provide plenty of competition for spots.

The thing about Toulon though is that the last couple of seasons they haven't looked like winning the Champions Cup in the first few rounds. What they have more than anything else is a squad of guys who just know how to win. And that gets more and more important as the tournament goes on.

Are they a great side from a rugby perspective? Probably not so much. They are fairly limited. But with the strength in depth that they have they do what they do well and know how to get results doing it. They are beatable, which Toulouse showed last night, but it takes a hell of a lot to do it. Leinster on form would have won at least one of those games, but we're not on form. I still would not write them off in the Champions Cup.

scott1974

The touch judge is enjoying Ringrose's break


http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2521051/original/?width=469&version=2521051

thebaz

bilston wrote: »

He looks quality, he is reminiscent of BOD himself, but I actually think he plays a bit more like Conrad Smith (think swiwi described him as snakey!) than BOD. I won't have seen as much of him as the rest of you but I think he maybe has a bit more of a languid style about his game, BOD was maybe a bit more explosive.

As for Ireland, get him in the squad asap.

Ringrose looked good , and I would start them young , but lets not loose the run of ourselves - BOD could pick balls up from his shoelaces flat out , probably the greatest tackler Ireland ever had, cut the tightest defences either with explosive power or genius guile , Ringrose has a long way to go , and is unfair to compare to one of the true greats.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

thebaz wrote: »

Ringrose looked good , and I would start them young , but lets not loose the run of ourselves - BOD could pick balls up from his shoelaces flat out , probably the greatest tackler Ireland ever had, cut the tightest defences either with explosive power or genius guile , Ringrose has a long way to go , and is unfair to compare to one of the true greats.

BOD also said on twitter that he genuinely hasn't been this excited about a young player for quite some time. High praise although I'm not sure the lad needs that kind of attention yet. Although he was being touted as the next BOD before he even played a senior game.

Interested Observer

Thing about Ringrose is he's looked totally comfortable in every game he's played so far. Rare to see such an effortless step up imo, at least from an Irish player.

Tox56

Interested Observer wrote: »

Thing about Ringrose is he's looked totally comfortable in every game he's played so far. Rare to see such an effortless step up imo, at least from an Irish player.

Whatever about Ireland, I think he should be first choice 13 for Leinster from now at least. I also agree with the above that he always reminded me far more of Conrad Smith than BOD