Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

Dravokivich

molloyjh wrote: »

Players like Sykes and Roux (and Douglas) were exactly the type of players we needed. It was unfortunate that none worked out but the idea was the right one. Nagle is just going to be another Denton, only one that hasn't been playing in years.

In fairness, you can't really put Roux in the same boat as Sykes and Douglas considering he stayed playing in Ireland with a team that gave him matches to play. He was injured for a lot of his 2 seasons with Leinster prior to being loaned out on the 3rd season.

awec

wp_rathead wrote: »

Would have thought Nagle to Ulster made more sense - they seem in most need for locks

You're alright thanks. Wouldn't want to deprive Leinster of this addition to their squad.

molloyjh

Dravokivich wrote: »

In fairness, you can't really put Roux in the same boat as Sykes and Douglas considering he stayed playing in Ireland with a team that gave him matches to play. He was injured for a lot of his 2 seasons with Leinster prior to being loaned out on the 3rd season.

I'm just putting him into the bracket of tough TH locks who didn't work out at Leinster, nothing more.

Dravokivich

molloyjh wrote: »

I'm just putting him into the bracket of tough TH locks who didn't work out at Leinster, nothing more.

I don't get why you are suggesting he didn't work out at Leinster. He was loaned to Connacht initially for half a season to get game time. They extended it and then signed him on. My expectation there is that if Leinster had the opportunity to give him that game time, he'd still be here. Are you pointing at 2 the long injuries he had? The first one which came off being dropped in a line out.

Selliott190

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't get why you are suggesting he didn't work out at Leinster. He was loaned to Connacht initially for half a season to get game time. They extended it and then signed him on. My expectation there is that if Leinster had the opportunity to give him that game time, he'd still be here. Are you pointing at 2 the long injuries he had? The first one which came off being dropped in a line out.

He quite clearly didn't work out for leinster.

ArmchairQB

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't get why you are suggesting he didn't work out at Leinster. He was loaned to Connacht initially for half a season to get game time. They extended it and then signed him on. My expectation there is that if Leinster had the opportunity to give him that game time, he'd still be here. Are you pointing at 2 the long injuries he had? The first one which came off being dropped in a line out.

I would say he is saying it because he most definitely did not work out in Leinster!!

JPNelsforearm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Nagle?? Id rather leave a gap in the roster than Nagle.

Dear Mick Dawson, please spend our money on developing locks from our own stable than on rubbish buys like this. Id hate to threaten Ed O'Donoghue's place in history.

This really had better be a miscommunication or an agent flying a kite.

In fairness, we do have a record of signing a duff lock nearly every year, it'd be shame to break the streak.

molloyjh

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't get why you are suggesting he didn't work out at Leinster. He was loaned to Connacht initially for half a season to get game time. They extended it and then signed him on. My expectation there is that if Leinster had the opportunity to give him that game time, he'd still be here. Are you pointing at 2 the long injuries he had? The first one which came off being dropped in a line out.

Maybe you think I'm passing some form of judgement on him or on Leinster. I'm not. I'm just saying it didn't work out. He left so that kind of proves the point. The reasons for it are irrelevant in terms of the point I'm making. We should be going for that kind of lock and Nagle isn't that kind of lock.

dregin

Do people really think Triggs will only last one season? I've really liked what I've seen of him to date and think he'd be worth at least a couple of seasons more, if he's willing to stay.

sydthebeat

dregin wrote: »

Do people really think Triggs will only last one season? I've really liked what I've seen of him to date and think he'd be worth at least a couple of seasons more, if he's willing to stay.

not sure theres room for him with a contract extension, unless M Kearney turns into a lame duck.

Selliott190

dregin wrote: »

Do people really think Triggs will only last one season? I've really liked what I've seen of him to date and think he'd be worth at least a couple of seasons more, if he's willing to stay.

Better off investing in Irish

sydthebeat

Selliott190 wrote: »

Better off investing in Irish

triggs or nagle? .... hummmmmmm

former total

If McCarthy has another season in him, and we have Toner, Kearney, Denton and Molony, then maybe we can live without Triggs but might be no harm to keep him anyway.

Nagle being anything more than a B&I filler would be a bonus.

Selliott190

sydthebeat wrote: »

triggs or nagle? .... hummmmmmm

Triggs getting gametime or Molony or Kearney?

Not to mention Thornbury who will need gametime if he is going to develop.. players aren't going to improve on the bench.

padser

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't get why you are suggesting he didn't work out at Leinster. He was loaned to Connacht initially for half a season to get game time. They extended it and then signed him on. My expectation there is that if Leinster had the opportunity to give him that game time, he'd still be here. Are you pointing at 2 the long injuries he had? The first one which came off being dropped in a line out.

Are you seriously trying to argue that Roux did work out out at Leinster?

I wouldn't rule out him successfully returned to Leisnter at some point, but I don't see how you can suggest his first stint here worked out for Leinster

The Rape of Lucretia

molloyjh wrote: »

Nah we've been at that for years. Think the likes of Newland, Denton etc.

EDIT: Sean McCarthy!

Leinster wrote the book on poor signings, and to a level that is still the benchmark: Edit : Eddie Hekanui.

Quint2010

Ian Nagle??? Do Leinster have a "transfer committee"?..

vienne86

I don't know enough about Nagle to have a stong opinion, but from what I have read here, I am not enthused.

As regards Roux, I think a lot of us were disappointed in how he got on at Leinster - my own expectations were probably too high; after all, he was pretty young when he arrived. And he was dogged by injuries. But I'm delighted that he has done well at Connacht - he's big lump of a lad who could be really really useful.

I would hope that McCarthy has AT LEAST another season in him - he has certainly put his hand up this season.

hype101

Ah here, think Nagle is getting a lot of flak.. Give'em a chance.. He's a very talented and big SR who copped injury after injury at munster and got demoralised.. There's a fine player there who will really benefit under Leo.. I agree he's not a TH lock but he'll take some of the load of Dev during the season.. F**k it, he's better player than Tom Denton and, while harsh, I'd be amazed if Beirne/Molony are ever really powerful enough to feature in the row at European/International level.

As far as TH locks, Luke Romano is out of contract at the end of 2016 and he would fit perfectly alongside Toner.. Pony up the cash and get it done!

CatFromHue

Yeah I wouldn't see Nagle signing as someone to compete with Toner but as someone to compete with Denton.

aimee1

Selliott190 wrote: »

Triggs getting gametime or Molony or Kearney?

Not to mention Thornbury who will need gametime if he is going to develop.. players aren't going to improve on the bench.

Ian Madigan made an international career because of his abilities on the bench, and got himself a well paid gig in Bordeaux as a result

jacothelad

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yeah, mostly Ulster players as it happens

Yeah, Boss has been pure rubbish for Leinster.

molloyjh

CatFromHue wrote: »

Yeah I wouldn't see Nagle signing as someone to compete with Toner but as someone to compete with Denton.

Denton is a TH lock though, is Nagle? I don't think he is from recollection.

leftleg

molloyjh wrote: »

Denton is a TH lock though, is Nagle? I don't think he is from recollection.

Nagle should be no where near the right side of the scrum; hes too light for a tight head lump; This is exactly the reason Munster's scrum is so weak at the moment. They are playing two light rangey locks behind the front row in Ryan and Foley; no heft

leftleg

molloyjh wrote: »

Denton is a TH lock though, is Nagle? I don't think he is from recollection.

And to be honest for all his weight Denton isn't great when behind the tight head anyway; The scrum usually capitulates whenever McCarthy leaves the field.

molloyjh

The thing is at scrum time Denton is better in that position than Molony, which at least partly explains his selection. It seems to me that Nagle will be competing directly with Molony, or at least providing back-up to Molony.

Selliott190

molloyjh wrote: »

The thing is at scrum time Denton is better in that position than Molony, which at least partly explains his selection. It seems to me that Nagle will be competing directly with Molony, or at least providing back-up to Molony.

It makes no sense what so ever... Nagle is bang average and injury prone. Signing a player that could potentially take gametime from Molony.. just awful planning and player development.

Yeah_Right

hype101 wrote: »

As far as TH locks, Luke Romano is out of contract at the end of 2016 and he would fit perfectly alongside Toner.. Pony up the cash and get it done!

Now that's a great idea.

brocbrocach

leftleg wrote: »

Nagle should be no where near the right side of the scrum; hes too light for a tight head lump; This is exactly the reason Munster's scrum is so weak at the moment. They are playing two light rangey locks behind the front row in Ryan and Foley; no heft

This thing about TH locks seems to be a bigger deal to Leinster folk than anywhere else in the world. Ok there's usually a jumper/grafter split but I don't think its the end of the world to go out there with two rangy locks.Is it something to do with Brad Thorne for ye?
Munster scrum has been mostly very solid this season.

Bazzo

brocbrocach wrote: »

This thing about TH locks seems to be a bigger deal to Leinster folk than anywhere else in the world. Ok there's usually a jumper/grafter split but I don't think its the end of the world to go out there with two rangy locks.Is it something to do with Brad Thorne for ye?
Munster scrum has been mostly very solid this season.

Yeah, just had a quick flick through stats looking at locks at all the provinces. I looked at maybe 11 or 12 and apart from three they all weighed in at 113-117kg. I think all except for Dev were listed 6'4" or 6'5".

The exceptions were Toner at 124kg and Alan O'Connor and Dave Foley at 107kg.