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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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    #1472
    thomond2006
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    Hagz wrote: »
    Jordi Murphy has raised himself to another level this season. Considering he doesn't make a fully fit back-row he's some player to have.
    He does now.


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    #1473
    Hagz
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    He does now.

    You'd have him ahead of Rhys Ruddock would you?


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    #1474
    thomond2006
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    Hagz wrote: »
    You'd have him ahead of Rhys Ruddock would you?
    On that basis of today? Yes.


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    #1475
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    Hagz wrote: »
    You'd have him ahead of Rhys Ruddock would you?

    He's ahead of Ruddock as of the last 4 months. He's probably close to being ahead of O'Mahony, maybe even already there for Ireland.


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    #1476
    Hagz
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    Gosh I'm not sure. It is certainly open for debate but Ruddock was in storming form before his injury troubles.


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    #1477
    corny
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    Murphys work rate was phenomenal today


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    #1478
    Buer
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    Memories are very short. If Ruddock had been fully fit, he'd have been starting today. Murphy was very good but Ruddock would have been the right call for today. He has a level of power that few can match.

    The gap has narrowed hugely at this point though and given Ruddock's injuries, Murphy might well remain in the side as he develops now as he experiences a higher level with both Leinster and Ireland.


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    #1479
    AbusesToilets
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    Ruddock brings a level of power that I haven't seen since Ferris, incredible ability to drive forward with the ball. Not as explosive as SOB, but stronger I think.


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    #1480
    its_phil
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    He's probably close to being ahead of O'Mahony, maybe even already there for Ireland.

    He was brilliant today for Leinster and probably one of the best, if not the best, players on the pitch. But he's nowhere near to POM right now, just look at how many media outlets, domestic and abroad, had POM as the best 6 in the 6N.


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    #1481
    Buer
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    This isn't knee jerk reaction from today (but obviously today puts it in the spotlight) as I've already commented on here about this but do people see Madigan as the long term 12 for Leinster? Will Noel Reid potentially put a lot of pressure on him next season?

    If Sexton is front line goal kicker, is there a place for Madigan in the team and, if not, who are the other options? Reid is the obvious one but are there other challengers?


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    #1482
    vienne86
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    Buer wrote: »
    This isn't knee jerk reaction from today (but obviously today puts it in the spotlight) as I've already commented on here about this but do people see Madigan as the long term 12 for Leinster? Will Noel Reid potentially put a lot of pressure on him next season?

    If Sexton is front line goal kicker, is there a place for Madigan in the team and, if not, who are the other options? Reid is the obvious one but are there other challengers?

    Madigan had a howler today, and it is hard not to think of that - I'm sure he's gutted. Maybe he'll be better at 12 with Sexton at 10, but I must say, I rate Reid as a 12. It'll be interesting to see how Madigan fairs next season.


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    #1483
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    its_phil wrote: »
    He was brilliant today for Leinster and probably one of the best, if not the best, players on the pitch. But he's nowhere near to POM right now, just look at how many media outlets, domestic and abroad, had POM as the best 6 in the 6N.

    POM had a bit of an average six nations and despite 2 good games last year against a poor Scotland and Wales he went missing / injured for the rest of the tournament. In his starts for Ireland during this year's tournament Murphy outplayed O'Mahony and no amount of handbags and intense anthem singing will change that fact.

    Great to have both players but I think Murphy is starting to edge the contest there.


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    #1484
    CatFromHue
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    I don't know about Reid as you barely see him play. This season he'd 4 games in Oct, 1 in Nov, 1 in Dec, and 1 in Jan.

    He'll be 25 next month too so who knows.


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    #1485
    Buer
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    vienne86 wrote: »
    Madigan had a howler today, and it is hard not to think of that - I'm sure he's gutted. Maybe he'll be better at 12 with Sexton at 10, but I must say, I rate Reid as a 12. It'll be interesting to see how Madigan fairs next season.

    What is interesting is I expect Reid and Te'o to get multiple games together during the RWC. If they strike up a good partnership (and I think their games could click really well), Madigan will have a job to break them up.


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    #1486
    vienne86
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    corny wrote: »
    Murphys work rate was phenomenal today

    He was one of our best players today IMO. Doubt Ruddock would have done better.


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    #1487
    Buer
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    It's odd, I thought our back row all played really well but when I think about it, Armitage and Masoe were the best Toulon players. Masoe was sheer class today.

    Really good battle between two great back rows.


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    #1488
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    Buer wrote: »
    It's odd, I thought our back row all played really well but when I think about it, Armitage and Masoe were the best Toulon players. Masoe was sheer class today.

    Really good battle between two great back rows.

    Armitage was exceptional when he came on. Caused us all kinds of problems and he just has such a nose for the breakdown and his timing is unreal the way he sometimes delays his dip for the ball or intentionally lets the first player get cleared out before going in for a certain steal.

    He is as natural a breakdown expert as you will see.


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    #1489
    irishbucsfan
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I don't know about Reid as you barely see him play. This season he'd 4 games in Oct, 1 in Nov, 1 in Dec, and 1 in Jan.

    He'll be 25 next month too so who knows.

    Yes, but take Madigan's goalkicking out of the equation and suddenly you're comparing them based purely on ability at 12. Not sure how far ahead he is on that.


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    #1490
    dregin
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    Buer wrote: »
    This isn't knee jerk reaction from today (but obviously today puts it in the spotlight) as I've already commented on here about this but do people see Madigan as the long term 12 for Leinster? Will Noel Reid potentially put a lot of pressure on him next season?

    If Sexton is front line goal kicker, is there a place for Madigan in the team and, if not, who are the other options? Reid is the obvious one but are there other challengers?
    I think he can count himself as poorly treated. Was in great form, had a bit of an injury and hasn't been heard much of since.


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    #1491
    scott1974
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Armitage was exceptional when he came on. Caused us all kinds of problems and he just has such a nose for the breakdown and his timing is unreal the way he sometimes delays his dip for the ball or intentionally lets the first player get cleared out before going in for a certain steal.

    He is as natural a breakdown expert as you will see.

    I thought he was good too but his first turnover looked illegal to me. He was the tackler and never released the player to make the turnover. He's such an "expert" in that area that ref's don't penalise him.. or afraid.


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    #1492
    awec
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    Buer wrote: »
    This isn't knee jerk reaction from today (but obviously today puts it in the spotlight) as I've already commented on here about this but do people see Madigan as the long term 12 for Leinster? Will Noel Reid potentially put a lot of pressure on him next season?

    If Sexton is front line goal kicker, is there a place for Madigan in the team and, if not, who are the other options? Reid is the obvious one but are there other challengers?

    I've said it before but I am not sure what future Madigan has at Leinster.

    He is definitely not going to be your 10. He is not a particularly great 12. His best position is 22. Does that fit in with his ambitions?


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    #1493
    irishbucsfan
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    awec wrote: »
    I've said it before but I am not sure what future Madigan has at Leinster.

    He is definitely not going to be your 10. He is not a particularly great 12. His best position is 22. Does that fit in with his ambitions?

    I think the answer could well be at 12, but he needs to focus on that and improve a great deal. I'm not sure if he will.

    I think the best option for him in the long term is to leave Leinster and become a starting 10 elsewhere, he'd probably need to take a step down first and find a team with the time to develop him and a patient coach who has experience with 10s like himself.


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    #1494
    sydthebeat
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    A word for big dev today, though he was immense and the best lock out there. Pretty much owned bakkies in the Line out. Linked up well in the Line and id say his tackle rate was huge too.


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    #1495
    Buer
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    A word for big dev today, though he was immense and the best lock out there. Pretty much owned bakkies in the Line out. Linked up well in the Line and id say his tackle rate was huge too.

    Absolutely. There were some seriously high class locks on the field today and Toner was the best of them all. He was extremely composed throughout and did trojan work in the mauls as well as carrying very solidly. He put some ghosts to bed from last season where he was all at sea in this game. I thought McCarthy was very effective but was dead on his feet after 80 minutes.

    I haven't seen him mentioned yet but I thought Heaslip was superb too. Was very clever in his footwork, gaining yards and saved our bacon at one or two scrums although even he was beaten by a couple where the ball came shooting back between himself and his flanker. Set up the mauls really well with his work in the line out. Did a good job leading the side, communicating well and taking Healy away once instantly when he was starting to mouth.


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    #1496
    vienne86
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    A word for big dev today, though he was immense and the best lock out there. Pretty much owned bakkies in the Line out. Linked up well in the Line and id say his tackle rate was huge too.

    And could I put in a word for his partner in the second row, Mike McCarthy? I thought he had a good day too and put in a monumental effort, as was required from both our locks today, given we only had Marshall on the bench.


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    #1497
    KingBrian2
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    Disappointing Leinster lost today. Next season I hope and expect better performances from them along with Ulster & Munster. Connaught also needs to come into their own. It seems the French will have their All French finale.


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    #1498
    SaveOurLyric
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    Buer wrote: »
    Absolutely. There were some seriously high class locks on the field today and Toner was the best of them all. He was extremely composed throughout and did trojan work in the mauls as well as carrying very solidly. He put some ghosts to bed from last season where he was all at sea in this game. I thought McCarthy was very effective but was dead on his feet after 80 minutes.

    I haven't seen him mentioned yet but I thought Heaslip was superb too. Was very clever in his footwork, gaining yards and saved our bacon at one or two scrums although even he was beaten by a couple where the ball came shooting back between himself and his flanker. Set up the mauls really well with his work in the line out. Did a good job leading the side, communicating well and taking Healy away once instantly when he was starting to mouth.






    All in all, it really was a fine effort from the pack. McCarthy fine game also I thought.


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    #1499
    vienne86
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    It was a monumental effort today in Marseille. It'll take some courage to be ready for Ravenhill on Friday night.


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    stephen_n
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    Buer wrote: »
    This isn't knee jerk reaction from today (but obviously today puts it in the spotlight) as I've already commented on here about this but do people see Madigan as the long term 12 for Leinster? Will Noel Reid potentially put a lot of pressure on him next season?

    If Sexton is front line goal kicker, is there a place for Madigan in the team and, if not, who are the other options? Reid is the obvious one but are there other challengers?

    T'eo at 12 and luke at 13 is something Id like to see tried for a few games.


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    #1501
    SaveOurLyric
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    vienne86 wrote: »
    It was a monumental effort today in Marseille. It'll take some courage to be ready for Ravenhill on Friday night.

    Was going to go, but will wait to see the team and whether its a serious game or not. Still feels a bit of a pointless boot up the M1. They players are professionals but surely must feels its a lost cause as well.


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