Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

.ak

Buer wrote: »

He had 5 assists for the Pro12 season in 23 appearances, all of them in 2012. Nothing too impressive, in fairness, but might have even been the highest for Leinster!

Yeah you're right although at this point of the season it did seem impressive (they had 6)

https://twitter.com/agfx_stato/status/304521791202795520

Buer

It was 6. The Scrum.com stats are incorrect. They didn't have him down for an assist in the Munster game which I thought he did have one in. Just watched it and he passed to BOD for the final try.

total former

awec wrote: »

I'd say MOC factored very little in Sexton's decision to return.

Maybe it wasn't much of a carrot but equally this notion that he won't be able to work under MOC doesn't hold water either.

durkadurka

I dont normally post gossip of this nature but someone that I find credible told me the MOC is on the way out, and has told the dressing room.

Mahatma Geansai

durkadurka wrote: »

I dont normally post gossip of this nature but someone that I find credible told me the MOC is on the way out, and has told the dressing room.

If he has the option of staying or going, the latter has to be the right decision for him. On a personal level, it must be very difficult to deal with the constant abuse/criticism from the fan-base.

thomond2006

If MOC is out then what happens to the assistants?

Buer

durkadurka wrote: »

I dont normally post gossip of this nature but someone that I find credible told me the MOC is on the way out, and has told the dressing room.

That would be huge but best for all involved, I feel. I would assume that, if true, it's of his own accord. I can't see him being sacked after the 2 seasons he has had. They haven't been up to scratch but, in terms of results, it has not been a sackable tenure. People seem to forget that he's just a bloke trying to do a job. I feel for him; he's over here with his wife and kids and has to think of what's best for them.

I'd also worry about who they're able to put in place at this stage of proceedings. We might have to put in place an interim coach for the RWC if we want someone with a decent profile.

TommyOM

This is fantastic news from a Leinster perspective. His position had become untenable. 9 wins from 20 Pro 12 games is disgraceful and the manner of performances have been very poor.

awec

I'd be surprised to be honest.

Buer

thomond2006 wrote: »

If MOC is out then what happens to the assistants?

A reshuffle perhaps but I can't see any of the local lads being thrown under the bus.

ssaye2

So lads Im the new coach.

First things first. I am going to do what the fans tell me.

Give me a list... :pac:

molloyjh

durkadurka wrote: »

I dont normally post gossip of this nature but someone that I find credible told me the MOC is on the way out, and has told the dressing room.

Buer wrote: »

That would be huge but best for all involved, I feel. I would assume that, if true, it's of his own accord. I can't see him being sacked after the 2 seasons he has had. They haven't been up to scratch but, in terms of results, it has not been a sackable tenure.

I'd also worry about who they're able to put in place at this stage of proceedings. We might have to put in place an interim coach for the RWC if we want someone with a decent profile.

I heard rumours in Toulon that suggested it was close to happening, again from a reliable enough source. Although those rumours suggested he was under pressure to go internally. They went hand in hand with talk of Dempsey acting as a caretaker coach until a full-time appointment could be made. I suppose we'll find out in the coming weeks.

thomond2006

ssaye2 wrote: »

So lads Im the new coach.

First things first. I am going to do what the fans tell me.

Give me a list... :pac:

So you're going to stop spamming this thread with the links to the Indo now?

CIARAN_BOYLE

thomond2006 wrote: »

If MOC is out then what happens to the assistants?

reshuffle of sorts I'd say, no one will be thrown under a bus.

Mahatma Geansai

TommyOM wrote: »

This is fantastic news from a Leinster perspective. His position had become untenable. 9 wins from 20 Pro 12 games is disgraceful and the manner of performances have been very poor.

I'd imagine that Leinster's goals at the start of every season are a Pro12 semi-final and a ERCC quarter-final. If MOC is to be judged on those grounds alone, even when you include missing out on the Pro12 semi-finals this season, then he has exceeded the expectations of his position.

TommyOM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

reshuffle of sorts I'd say, no one will be thrown under a bus.

Yeah I think Leo should be moved sideways and Leinster should employ a new skills coach that could give 100% to the team.

Sangre

If I was a potential candidate I'd be very wary of the job:
-fans with high expectations
-last coach pushed out (assumption of course)
-WC year
-team contributes very heavily to national team

Hardly mouth watering!

CIARAN_BOYLE

TommyOM wrote: »

Yeah I think Leo should be moved sideways and Leinster should employ a new skills coach that could give 100% to the team.

Leo might stay forwards coach under a forwards specialist head coach, Murphy might either stay or be promoted out of the job (to full time Irish skills coach), Girve might become backs coach or stay where he is.

ssaye2

Isa to help with skills im hoping

Buer

ssaye2 wrote: »

So lads Im the new coach.

First things first. I am going to do what the fans tell me.

Give me a list... :pac:

Beers for some, miniature American Leinster flags for others!

Interested Observer

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

I'd imagine that Leinster's goals at the start of every season are a Pro12 semi-final and a ERCC quarter-final. If MOC is to be judged on those grounds alone, even when you include missing out on the Pro12 semi-finals this season, then he has exceeded the expectations of his position.

Yes he has exceeded those expectations that you just made up right now. Well done MOC.

If it's true, then I believe that we've actually set ourselves up to be able to take a gamble.

The year that's coming up for Leinster isn't going to be very palatable to most imo. We're losing a lot of players and consistency twice during the season, and we're set to have to play some very green guys in both periods.

My expectations for next season are actually pretty low.

I'd be interested in seeing if we'd take the gamble on Girv for a year with a view to have someone else come in next season. Given that we'll be relying on a lot of the work that Girv has done over the last 2 years with the 'A' team to fill in the gaps during RWC&6N, he's in a pretty decent spot to just take the reigns for those periods imo.

If Girv doesn't 'deliver', then we're post RWC and there's potentially a few other head coaches available from elsewhere. Girv takes over the backline job no matter what.
If Girv does 'deliver', then we back him up with some assistant coaches from elsewhere.

aimee1

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

I'd imagine that Leinster's goals at the start of every season are a Pro12 semi-final and a ERCC quarter-final. If MOC is to be judged on those grounds alone, even when you include missing out on the Pro12 semi-finals this season, then he has exceeded the expectations of his position.

Expectation can vary.

If its a home QF then a SF is expected. If its an away QF then it would be acceptable

Missing the Pro12 playoffs is unacceptable.

Interested Observer

Deleted User wrote: »

My expectations for next season are actually pretty low.

Leinster are a scrum half (and a coach) away from having an extremely strong first team next season. The pack will match up to anyone in Europe imo, and there's enough good players in the backline to do some damage (though no question it's not as strong as the BOD/D'Arcy/Horgan/Isa days).

Mahatma Geansai

Interested Observer wrote: »

Yes he has exceeded those expectations that you just made up right now. Well done MOC.

What do you think the expectations in the Pro12 and ERCC are?

Interested Observer

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

What do you think the expectations in the Pro12 and ERCC are?

There's no way the group of players at Leinster would settle for a Euro QF, not a chance.

And whatever the expectations for the Pro12 they've been missed in spectacular fashion.

Larbre34

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

If he has the option of staying or going, the latter has to be the right decision for him. On a personal level, it must be very difficult to deal with the constant abuse/criticism from the fan-base.

Is it abuse? Nobody is booing him or effing and blinding at him and his parentage. People are criticising his coaching.

After Wasps in Coventry I went to see Aston Villa in the FA Cup, while Paul Lambert was still in charge. Now THAT was abuse.

Those aims you mentioned of a euro QF and playoff place must be regarded as a floor of ambition to a club the size of Leinster. Overall we are in something of a 10 year basement.

Interested Observer

Interested Observer wrote: »

Leinster are a scrum half (and a coach) away from having an extremely strong first team next season. The pack will match up to anyone in Europe imo, and there's enough good players in the backline to do some damage (though no question it's not as strong as the BOD/D'Arcy/Horgan/Isa days).

Over the course of the entire season, we won't have our first team very often at all...

Interested Observer

Deleted User wrote: »

Over the course of the entire season, we won't have our first team very often at all...

Same as every other season then! And every team in the league is going to get hammered by the RWC.

Buer

Larbre34 wrote: »

I went to see Aston Villa in the FA Cup

I assume you mean self abuse.