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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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    #2162
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I know. Wait, are you being sarcastic?

    Sarcastic?!

    That comment showed my pashun for Leinster Rugby!


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    #2163
    Buer
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    Would like to see something along the lines of this for Treviso:

    Kirchner, Kearney, Te'o, Reid, Fitzgerald, Madigan, McGrath, Heaslip, VDF, SOB, Marshall, McCarthy, Furlong, Cronin, McGrath

    Fanning, Gopperth, Boss, Leavy, Molony, Ross, Bent, Dundon.


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    #2164
    molloyjh
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    Buer wrote: »
    Would like to see something along the lines of this for Treviso:

    Kirchner, Kearney, Te'o, Reid, Fitzgerald, Madigan, McGrath, Heaslip, VDF, SOB, Marshall, McCarthy, Furlong, Cronin, McGrath

    Fanning, Gopperth, Boss, Leavy, Molony, Ross, Bent, Dundon.

    We need the TBP win and Treviso were relatively competitive against Munster at the weekend. I don't think we can afford anything but a first string side out I'm afraid. Sad but true.


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    #2165
    irishbucsfan
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    I also think the first string will be very much keen to finish as strongly as possible, given their frustrations with how they've played and also the big summer ahead of them.


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    #2166
    Buer
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    I think there's a balance needed between the first string side and giving a rest of some people who are feeling the season at this point.

    Even if we beat Treviso with a BP, there's a chance we'll need to go to Scotland needing something to secure 5th. I would roll out the full first team for that game. We are 4 points ahead of the Scarlets and they play Cardiff at home this weekend with every chance of a bonus point win.

    If we go into the final game of the season 4 points in front, we're away to Edinburgh and they're away to Treviso and looking for a bonus point win again. I think there's a strong chance we need something against Edinburgh. It will come down to points difference so if Scarlets win with a BP in Italy and we only secure a losing BP in Scotland, we could find ourselves in 6th.


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    #2167
    RuggieBear
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    sixth is enough for the used to be HEC? no?


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    #2168
    Peregrine
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    RuggieBear wrote: »
    sixth is enough for the used to be HEC? no?

    Yeah. 6th for qualification. 7th for playoff spot.


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    #2169
    Greyian
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    RuggieBear wrote: »
    sixth is enough for the used to be HEC? no?

    6th would put is in the 4th pool of seeds (aka: bottom seeds). 5th puts us in the 3rd pool.


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    #2170
    aimee1
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    Greyian wrote: »
    6th would put is in the 4th pool of seeds (aka: bottom seeds). 5th puts us in the 3rd pool.

    MOC aiming for 7th, to win the Challenge cup next season. If its good enough for JS .......


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    #2171
    Buer
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    RuggieBear wrote: »
    sixth is enough for the used to be HEC? no?

    All about the seeding now.


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    #2172
    thomond2006
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    Wardy is still butthurt folks. His phrase this week is the "bile on social media".


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    #2173
    ionadnapokot
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    Greyian wrote: »
    6th would put is in the 4th pool of seeds (aka: bottom seeds). 5th puts us in the 3rd pool.

    My God! What a shambles. Trying to think of a previous shambolic fall from grace......:mad:


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    #2174
    molloyjh
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    Buer wrote: »
    All about the seeding now.

    This. We simply have to get 5 points next weekend and then see where we stand for the last week. We'll likely need at least a LBP, but if Scarlets get a TBP win next weekend as well we need to target a win in Edinburgh as 2 Scarlets TBP wins will put them on 59 with 11 wins. If we get a TBP win and LBP in the last 2 then we'll be on 59 with 10 wins and so will fall behind Scarlets on games won.
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Wardy is still butthurt folks. His phrase this week is the "bile on social media".

    I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article.


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    #2175
    thomond2006
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    This. We simply have to get 5 points next weekend and then see where we stand for the last week. We'll likely need at least a LBP, but if Scarlets get a TBP win next weekend as well we need to target a win in Edinburgh as 2 Scarlets TBP wins will put them on 59 with 11 wins. If we get a TBP win and LBP in the last 2 then we'll be on 59 with 10 wins and so will fall behind Scarlets on games won.



    I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article. I will not read that article.

    Let me give you a summary: The fans are still spouting bile and Isa Nacewa coming in as attack coach is going to fix everything. He also claims he is the all-knowing demi-god of rugby and all detractors will be punished in the afterlife.


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    #2176
    ThisRegard
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Wardy is still butthurt folks. His phrase this week is the "bile on social media".

    On Against the Head the other evening the implication was that if you have a social media account you're not a 'real' supporter. I think the comment was along the lines of "Are we talking about the real supporters here or those on social media ?".


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    #2177
    RuggieBear
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    I don't really care about the seeding tbh. It's top seed or irrelevant for me.


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    #2178
    Greyian
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    RuggieBear wrote: »
    I don't really care about the seeding tbh. It's top seed or irrelevant for me.

    As it stands right now, the 3rd seeds will be made up of Leinster, Exeter, Racing Metro and 2 of Leicester Tigers, Ospreys and Stade Francais.

    The 4th seeds are currently made up of Scarlets, Treviso, Oyannax, Wasps and one of Edinburgh/Sale/Montpellier.

    I'd much rather be in a group with 1 of those 4th seeds than switching with Scarlets and possibly drawing Leicester/Ospreys/Racing Metro.


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    #2179
    thomond2006
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    On Against the Head the other evening the implication was that if you have a social media account you're not a 'real' supporter. I think the comment was along the lines of "Are we talking about the real supporters here or those on social media ?".

    Social media and the internet is slowly replacing the sphere of influence held by those in the print and TV/radio media. It's no surprise to me that they will discredit it at every opportunity. We now have an outlet to collectively voice our disagreement. Some abuse it, most don't. However people with an agenda to promote their presumed superior knowledge/intellect will group the "most" with the "some".


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    #2180
    total former
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Social media and the internet is slowly replacing the sphere of influence held by those in the print and TV/radio media. It's no surprise to me that they will discredit it at every opportunity. We now have an outlet to collectively voice our disagreement. Some abuse it, most don't. However people with an agenda to promote their presumed superior knowledge/intellect will group the "most" with the "some".

    The fascination with Ward is, well, fascinating but he's not wrong. There is a lot of anger on social media directed at MOC and a lot of people saying that he is the sole cause of our problems. That is an undeniable truth.

    Nowhere in today's paper or anywhere else does he say "everyone on social media".


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    #2181
    Sangre
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    Ladies and gentlemen, I've been to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and I can say without hyperbole that social media rugby fans are a million times worse than all of them put together.


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    #2182
    Buer
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    Greyian wrote: »
    As it stands right now, the 3rd seeds will be made up of Leinster, Exeter, Racing Metro and 2 of Leicester Tigers, Ospreys and Stade Francais.

    The 4th seeds are currently made up of Scarlets, Treviso, Oyannax, Wasps and one of Edinburgh/Sale/Montpellier.

    Indeed. The seeding doesn't appear to be as influential as it was under the old system given the increased quality of the lower seeds but it is certainly still there.

    Going into this season, Clermont, Ulster, Quins, Ospreys and Bath were the 3rd seeds. That's a pretty horrible little group of teams and two of them topped their pools. I don't think there's any drop in quality between the second tier and third tier but there certainly is between those tiers and fourth.


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    #2183
    Josie Early Bin
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    Sangre wrote: »
    Ladies and gentlemen, I've been to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and I can say without hyperbole that social media rugby fans are a million times worse than all of them put together.

    I knew a lad who was on social media once.

    He died.


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    #2184
    Greyian
    Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Greyian


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I knew a lad who was on social media once.

    He died.

    Jesus, is that true? We'll need to let everyone know. I'll get on Facebook immediately....oh ****


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    #2185
    molloyjh
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    Buer wrote: »
    Indeed. The seeding doesn't appear to be as influential as it was under the old system given the increased quality of the lower seeds but it is certainly still there.

    Going into this season, Clermont, Ulster, Quins, Ospreys and Bath were the 3rd seeds. That's a pretty horrible little group of teams and two of them topped their pools. I don't think there's any drop in quality between the second tier and third tier but there certainly is between those tiers and fourth.

    Were they not 3rd tier rather than third seed? As in Leinster are currently 5th seed which means 3rd tier?

    |Pool 1|Pool 2|Pool 3|Pool 4|Pool 5
    Tier 1|Seed 1|Seed 1|Seed 1|Seed 2|Seed 2
    Tier 2|Seed 2|Seed 3|Seed 3|Seed 3|Seed 4
    Tier 3|Seed 4|Seed 4|Seed 5|Seed 5|Seed 5
    Tier 4|Seed 6|Seed 6|Seed 6|Italian|Play-Off


    So 6th seed could be potentially disastrous as we would definitely face a 1st seed team and at worst a 2nd and 4th as well.

    EDIT: Or is it that prescribed? Do they just lump tiers in together and pull them out at random? That would make more sense I suppose.....


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    #2186
    Tox56
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Social media and the internet is slowly replacing the sphere of influence held by those in the print and TV/radio media. It's no surprise to me that they will discredit it at every opportunity. We now have an outlet to collectively voice our disagreement. Some abuse it, most don't. However people with an agenda to promote their presumed superior knowledge/intellect will group the "most" with the "some".

    Theyre at it constantly, there was some article in the IT after the Toulon game by Cummiskey I think where he was unbelievably smug and condescending to the people who run blogs


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    #2187
    Mr.Applepie
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    We need the TBP win and Treviso were relatively competitive against Munster at the weekend. I don't think we can afford anything but a first string side out I'm afraid. Sad but true.

    When was the last time we scored more then 2 tries in a game?


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    #2188
    molloyjh
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    Mr.Applepie wrote: »
    When was the last time we scored more then 2 tries in a game?

    The Dragons game a couple of weeks ago. We scored 3 in that one. Our last TBP was against Glasgow in the RDS at the end of March. Our last TBP victory was against Zebre in the RDS in late February.


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    #2189
    CatFromHue
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Social media and the internet is slowly replacing the sphere of influence held by those in the print and TV/radio media. It's no surprise to me that they will discredit it at every opportunity. We now have an outlet to collectively voice our disagreement. Some abuse it, most don't. However people with an agenda to promote their presumed superior knowledge/intellect will group the "most" with the "some".

    Some of the social media is allright, like us on here :cool:, but an awful lot of it is crazy stuff.

    So if you were to comment on the looking at the whole social media environment (Twitter, Facebook, comments under newspaper articles) I doubt you'd be saying anything good about it.


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    #2190
    SaveOurLyric
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Wardy is still butthurt folks. His phrase this week is the "bile on social media".

    Havent come across any bile.

    Just reasoned observations that the MOC tenure has been bad for Leinster, shows no sign of improving, that there is talent in the squad being wasted, that the results at times can only correctly be described as embarrassing, that for the first time in years we will have no trophy for the season, will not make the top 4 in the league, will end up with a tough seeding in Europe next year escalating the task for whoever replaces him, some players look altogether different and better when playing for Ireland against a higher level of opponent, and are dull to watch (dull and winning is one thing, dull and not being at the races is another), and people are surprised/frustrated that Leinster has not acted yet to rectify this by replacing the coach (surely a better prospect than replace half a dozen players).

    It just hasnt worked out with MOC. Pity. But two years is plenty to judge. Definition of madness being doing the same thing time after time and expecting a different out come and all that. So it isnt bile when people advocate a change of a losing formula.


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    #2191
    stephen_n
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    Social media incorporates pretty much all new media, from facebook and Twitter to blogs and Forums though. There are plenty of blogs that are better written, more informative and generally more accurate than any article Ward has written in the last 10 years, then there's the other stuff, maybe the journos should be a little more specific but I doubt they wish to be.


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