Swords lesure tour 2015

Mikecraddock

Hi,
I'm trying to plan my cycling calendar, and I can't find a date for the swords lesure tour this year. Any ideas as to when this is happening?

Mike

07Lapierre

June 21st... Details will be up on the website in the next few days.

Raam

07Lapierre wrote: »

June 21st... Details will be up on the website in the next few days.

Will they really?

07Lapierre

Raam wrote: »

Will they really?

yep...the Swordscc "Webmaster" will be contacted by the organiser with full details (so i'm told)

Raam

07Lapierre wrote: »

yep...the Swordscc "Webmaster" will be contacted by the organiser with full details (so i'm told)

He looks forward to this contact ;-)

greenmat

Do you need a Helmet to do this Tour?

07Lapierre

greenmat wrote: »

Do you need a Helmet to do this Tour?

yes but at least you can use a road bike! in fact no TT bikes allowed :rolleyes:

Mikecraddock

Thanks for the reply!

bcmf

will there be a road closure? will there be a garda outrider to let the speeding peleton go through junctions?

Inquitus

Do you have to file paperwork with the council for a Sportive?

07Lapierre

Inquitus wrote: »

Do you have to file paperwork with the council for a Sportive?

Please don't even joke about that!

Lusk_Doyle

Inquitus wrote: »

Do you have to file paperwork with the council for a Sportive?

Just fcuk it at the window of the council office as you are cycling past. "Here's me bleedin paperwork!"

07Lapierre

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Just fcuk it at the window of the council office as you are cycling past. "Here's me bleedin paperwork!"

We'll be done for littering then! ( they getcha everyway)

Lusk_Doyle

07Lapierre wrote: »

We'll be done for littering then! ( they getcha everyway)

Through an open window then! Sign it "Beasty woz ere". That's exactly how he speaks so it's bound to work!

Inquitus

07Lapierre wrote: »

Please don't even joke about that!

Whats the difference between a Sportive and a Race in this regard? A Sportive is possibly more disruptive than a club league race, yet it can go ahead without any paperwork, if that's the case surely the club league could as well?

07Lapierre

The difference is a sportive is not a race.

Inquitus

07Lapierre wrote: »

The difference is a sportive is not a race.

But I thought Fingal assessed that a cycle race is not a prescribed road race under the RTA, so what in essence is the difference between a Sportive and a Race? in their eyes? both are organised cycles no? and both will have more than their fair share of breaches of the ROTR?

07Lapierre

Inquitus..neither Fingal or the Gardai have an issue with Sportives... So I'm not goin lookin for trouble. Simple as.

Inquitus

07Lapierre wrote: »

Inquitus..neither Fingal or the Gardai have an issue with Sportives... So I'm not goin lookin for trouble. Simple as.

Ok so it's selective application of the same laws to similar events?

bcmf

Inquitus....RotR or not I suspect 07Lapierre may fook you under a bus at the sportive if you keep up that tone!

Lusk_Doyle

Inquitus wrote: »

Ok so it's selective application of the same laws to similar events?

HE DOESN'T KNOW!

07Lapierre

Inquitus wrote: »

Ok so it's selective application of the same laws to similar events?

Exactly... There's no racing in Fingal and Meath ... But the rest of the country its business as usual. The road traffic act is being enforced to the letter in only two counties.

Inquitus

bcmf wrote: »

Inquitus....RotR or not I suspect 07Lapierre may fook you under a bus at the sportive if you keep up that tone!

I have no issue with 07Lapierre, just trying to understand whats going on with regard to Fingal Coco and the Gardai, their stance on sportives v club leagues v open races doesn't seem to make logical sense.

07Lapierre wrote: »

Exactly... There's no racing in Fingal and Meath ... But the rest of the country its business as usual. The road traffic act is being enforced to the letter in only two counties.

But its not even being applied consistently in Fingal, by their own admission a Sportive is no different to the Club League under their interpretation of the law no?

07Lapierre

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

HE DOESN'T KNOW!

I do know....a sportive is NOT A RACE! It is that simple....

Lusk_Doyle

07Lapierre wrote: »

I do know....a sportive is NOT A RACE! It is that simple....

If only it were...

07Lapierre

Inquitus wrote: »

I have no issue with 07Lapierre, just trying to understand whats going on with regard to Fingal Coco and the Gardai, their stance on sportives v club leagues v open races doesn't seem to make logical sense.



But its not even being applied consistently in Fingal, by their own admission a Sportive is no different to the Club League under their interpretation of the law no?

It is different...a sportive is not a race... So section 74 or 75 of the RTA does not apply... You don't send a management plan to Fingal wen you intend meeting us at Blakes cross on a Saturday morning?

Lusk_Doyle

07Lapierre wrote: »

Exactly... There's no racing in Fingal and Meath ... But the rest of the country its business as usual. The road traffic act is being enforced to the letter in only two counties.

Of course, Fingal ain't even a real county! Maybe that's their problem? They are trying to show the rest of Dublin that they are big enough to look after themselves? And Meath? Well, we all know what's wrong with that place!

Inquitus

07Lapierre wrote: »

It is different...a sportive is not a race... So section 74 or 75 of the RTA does not apply... You don't send a management plan to Fingal wen you intend meeting us at Blakes cross on a Saturday morning?

But didn't Fingal check with the Dept. and discover the Minister had never prescribed what was a road race, TT etc. and as such that part of the RTA did not apply?

74.—(1) In this section “road race” means a prescribed class of race, time trial or speed trial on a public road involving persons, vehicles or animals.

Lusk_Doyle

Inquitus wrote: »

But didn't Fingal check with the Dept. and discover the Minister had never prescribed what was a road race, TT etc. and as such that part of the RTA did not apply?

I think that your wife is calling you to come in for your dinner!

RobFowl

07Lapierre wrote: »

Neither Fingal or the Gardai have an issue with Sportives yet

FYP

Wishbone Ash

07Lapierre wrote: »

I do know....a sportive is NOT A RACE! It is that simple....

The 2014 edition of this leisurely 'non-race' set some pretty savage times on the Strava segment closest to my house. I came home from work to find my 2nd place had dropped to 32nd place! Hopefully I'll get the day off work this year to rectify that.

Raam

So what details exactly am I to put on the website? So far I've got...

- It's on June 21st
- It's not a race
- It's not classed different to a race in the eyes of the law
- Inquitus is a trouble maker

Anything else?

Wishbone Ash

Raam wrote: »

......Anything else?

Refer any queries to JW! That'll cover you.

bcmf

07Lapierre wrote: »

.a sportive is NOT A RACE! It is that simple....

I wish to counter that argument with 3 words....

"Tour of Louth"

...Your argument dead in the water.

07Lapierre

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The 2014 edition of this leisurely 'non-race' set some pretty savage times on the Strava segment closest to my house. I came home from work to find my 2nd place had dropped to 32nd place! Hopefully I'll get the day off work this year to rectify that.

Eh a tailwind, yes that's it there was a savage tailwind!

Lusk_Doyle

bcmf wrote: »

I wish to counter that argument with 3 words....

"Tour of Louth"

...Your argument dead in the water.

Water? Sounds like triathlete talk...

neris

does this go up to that poxy quarry up the top of a very steep climb in the arsehole of meath?

billyhead

Looking forward to this event. Its well organised (marshalled) and the sambos at the tea stop are nice:pac:. Sorry for going off topic OP but I was just curious to ask if anyone knows why Fingal Tri club have no issues with regards to obtaining a licence to run their race events over the Summer starting next month.

Wishbone Ash

neris wrote: »

does this go up to that poxy quarry up the top of a very steep climb in the arsehole of meath?

Think you're referring to Murphy's Quarry above the Nags Head - very much Dublin not Meath.

Lusk_Doyle

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Think you're referring to Murphy's Quarry above the Nags Head - very much Dublin not Meath.

Nope. That could be Bellewstown too.

Wishbone Ash

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Nope. That could be Bellewstown too.

Of course - forgot about that one.

07Lapierre

bcmf wrote: »

I wish to counter that argument with 3 words....

"Tour of Louth"

...Your argument dead in the water.

Louth is not in Fingal or Meath

68 lost souls

billyhead wrote: »

Looking forward to this event. Its well organised (marshalled) and the sambos at the tea stop are nice:pac:. Sorry for going off topic OP but I was just curious to ask if anyone knows why Fingal Tri club have no issues with regards to obtaining a licence to run their race events over the Summer starting next month.

I do believe the went through the correct methods and applications last year for a road closure and licence. IT takes a lot of time and money. I believe the same is being done this year.

Also a 20km spin done in a circuit requires a lot less road closure than a sportive.

RobFowl

billyhead wrote: »

I was just curious to ask if anyone knows why Fingal Tri club have no issues with regards to obtaining a licence to run their race events over the Summer starting next month.

Must be cos the local police like men in bra tops and speedos.....

greenmat

Tour of Louth, definitely the fastest Sportive out there. Sure they reward you with gold and platinum medals the faster you go through Stop Signs.