Some Wrestling News & Rumours 2019 Thread ***NO CHAT***

johnruns

1st time round the match was utter ****e,years later Brock is completely and utterly boring,Goldberg is an old man retired for years so whatever show/ppv this is on no chance il be tuning in its an insult to fans.

Agent Coulson

Oh it's on it's on.

https://twitter.com/HeymanHustle/status/784090684416528384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Dear @Goldberg - I respectfully suggest you don't confuse the fantasy of @WWEgames #WWE2K17 with the reality that is @BrockLesnar!

CastorTroy

Was kind of surprised they didn't try and edit the ad to remove Del Rio

J. Marston

A feud centred around promoting a video game.

That'll put bums in seats.

PTH2009

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/backstage-news-on-brock-lesnar-vs-goldberg-at-survivor-series-lesnar-s-wrestlemania-33-opponent

oh god wtf is up with Vince

Shane Mcmahon as Lesners Mania 33 opponent ??? :(:(

. I knw he can do the big spots and take a lot of punishment (like his dad can) but Lesner needs a credable challenge like Styles, Cesaro or KO

Riddle101

In fairness Shane has always been able to hang with the best of them, and always puts on good performances in his matches. I still remember his match against Kurt Angle at King of the Ring 2001. His match with Undertaker at Wrestlemania was good too. I know how people will feel about Shane wrestling Brock over someone like Kevin Owens or AJ Styles, but believe it or not, I believe Shane has the ability to bring the big fight feel to his matches and make them special. If they put Owens or Styles in the ring with Lesnar, they'll just be jobbed out to him, but if they put Shane in the ring with him, at least Shane can take the loss and still put on a good performance all the same. Anyway, i'll be interested to see it either way.

Mr.Nice Guy

Shane's match with Taker was awful. It was a match building up to a stunt spot. It was a joke that they had Shane come across as a credible threat to Undertaker and if they try to present Shane as a credible threat to Lesnar it will be even more comical.

WWE have been revisionist with their history in those videos they did showing Shane facing off against Big Show for example, and The Rock in a cage. At the time the fans watched to see Shane get his ass kicked because he was NOT presented as a threat. There were chants of 'Shane's a p*ssy' at that time.

If they expect Lesnar to sell for Shane it would be an insult to the audience because realistically Brock should annihilate him inside 60 seconds, as I believe Undertaker should have done.

I don't think they will be so dumb as to foist this match on people though.

raze_them_all_

Say what you want if shane o mac is wrestling, you'll watch

J. Marston

No way Brock could stand up to Shane's striking...

Ageyev

johnruns wrote: »

1st time round the match was utter ****e,years later Brock is completely and utterly boring,Goldberg is an old man retired for years so whatever show/ppv this is on no chance il be tuning in its an insult to fans.

My same opinion on it. I'll be shocked if they pull off anything watchable.

Loughc

Ageyev wrote: »

My same opinion on it. I'll be shocked if they pull off anything watchable.

Couldn't be as bad as Lesnar Ambrose last year

Chain Smoker

Goldberg vs Hunter at mania somehow is my guess.

I doubt bill is even willing to face a new guy, let alone put one over.

Monokne

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Shane's match with Taker was awful. It was a match building up to a stunt spot. It was a joke that they had Shane come across as a credible threat to Undertaker and if they try to present Shane as a credible threat to Lesnar it will be even more comical.

WWE have been revisionist with their history in those videos they did showing Shane facing off against Big Show for example, and The Rock in a cage. At the time the fans watched to see Shane get his ass kicked because he was NOT presented as a threat. There were chants of 'Shane's a p*ssy' at that time.

If they expect Lesnar to sell for Shane it would be an insult to the audience because realistically Brock should annihilate him inside 60 seconds, as I believe Undertaker should have done.

I don't think they will be so dumb as to foist this match on people though.

NOOOOO! WWE!? REVISIONIST HISTORY!? I WON'T HAVE ANY OF IT. SHANE IS TOUGH, TJP IS THE FIRST EVER CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPION AND THERE WAS NEVER A WOMANS CHAMPION BEFORE THIS YEARS WRESTLEMANIA!

Seriously though, they are building to this match. I don't know if you missed Summerslam and the few episodes thereafter, but that is absolutely where they are going.

PTH2009

Monokne wrote: »

NOOOOO! WWE!? REVISIONIST HISTORY!? I WON'T HAVE ANY OF IT. SHANE IS TOUGH, TJP IS THE FIRST EVER CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPION AND THERE WAS NEVER A WOMANS CHAMPION BEFORE THIS YEARS WRESTLEMANIA!

Seriously though, they are building to this match. I don't know if you missed Summerslam and the few episodes thereafter, but that is absolutely where they are going.

I'd like to see maybe Brock vs Shane with someone eg The Rock, a returning Bobby Lashley, Samoa Joe etc at mania. It would be too similar to manias Shane vs taker match so they need to do something different if this magic is too take place at mania 33

Shane has been off tv the last while for some reason ??. They should do brock Vs Shane at the royal rumble so Brock is freed up for a proper mania challenge

Bounty Hunter

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd like to see maybe Brock vs Shane with someone eg The Rock, a returning Bobby Lashley, Samoa Joe etc at mania. It would be too similar to manias Shane vs taker match so they need to do something different if this magic is too take place at mania 33

Shane has been off tv the last while for some reason ??. They should do brock Vs Shane at the royal rumble so Brock is freed up for a proper mania challenge

Yeah I honestly wouldn't mind a Brock vs Shane storyline but with Shane bringing in hired guns to try and take down Brock.

Hell have it start with Goldberg and Shane bringing him in as Goldberg beat Brock at Mania before. I would prefer it to be at The Rumble or sometime like that personally but whatever. Brock overcomes him and the next night interrupts a Shane / Steph promo (about how the rumble winner can choose which brands title to go for - hence Shane being there on Raw) it but just before he can get his hands on Shane O Mac BOOM! it's Samoa Joe out of nowhere who man handles Brock like nobody else ever has to make his main roster debut. The next SD Shane announces Brock vs Joe for Mania which thanks to the brand split will be easier to stretch over several weeks especially with them on different brands although that does not neccesarily stop them.

Even if Joe does not get the rub and go over Lesnar it'd be a great way to debut him as a huge deal while avoiding putting Shane in such a match. You could even then repeat the formula with someone like Nakamura for example.

Chain Smoker

Considering how much attention the Royal Rumble seems to always garner from lapsed fans, it seems like an infinitely better point to do Goldberg's return than Survivor Series. I can see the double whammy of the Rumble and Goldberg popping their subscription rates and those subscribers sticking on until at least Mania (by which point they'll have probably forgotten they're even paying for it monthly)

leggo

Chain Smoker wrote: »

Considering how much attention the Royal Rumble seems to always garner from lapsed fans, it seems like an infinitely better point to do Goldberg's return than Survivor Series. I can see the double whammy of the Rumble and Goldberg popping their subscription rates and those subscribers sticking on until at least Mania (by which point they'll have probably forgotten they're even paying for it monthly)

In 2016, it's much of a muchness when they do these things. With social media etc people know if something like this is happening.

Chain Smoker

It's not just knowledge though, part of the bump at the start of each year is the gap available due to the NFL season winding down.
The absolutely worthless name value of a PPV that isn't one of the top 3* shouldn't be underestimated too (see the disappointing bump in buyrates for Survivor Series 2012, see also: MITB2011 vs Summerslam).


* It's a top 3, not a top 4. Don't get why people try to keep kidding themselves with that ****. It's way too soon into the brand split for that to hold any value too.

leggo

Yeah but using buyrates as reliable comparison now is like me comparing how many people watched WrestleMania 2 on closed-circuit TV to this year. The business model has completely changed to constant, on-demand content, it doesn't even really matter to WWE anymore if you watch their PPVs live (or at all), just own the Network and they're happy. That's the thing people have to get their head around now, there is no 'big 4' really in terms of business, the only difference is that they're the dual-branded PPVs (which is more of a creative than business move). With regards to PPVs, WWE are now closer to Netflix's model than UFC, boxing or traditional fight business.

So if they're confident they're going to attract a lot of interest around Rumble season regardless, it then makes total sense to try get people to buy their stuff two months earlier, that's $19.98 per person extra in the bank and people will be more open to keeping the Network year round because they've broken the cycle of getting it January-April (which I imagine a lot do/plan on doing).

I mean, as a fan and lover of Mania season build-up too, I'd prefer the Rumble Goldberg debut because it would be cooler, but their logic here makes business sense.

Chain Smoker

Very good points, it seems like a pretty big gamble to me to assume that he'll be a sufficient bump to snare subscribers for 2 extra months at the stalest part of the year. If they've something in mind for mania with him, 4.5 whole months of leadup could absolutely cripple it too.

I do think a really brief really hot patch stands to give them a greater long term benefit than dumping huge draws into lulls, the product is so unbearable bloated right now that just about anything would struggle to maintain any kind of sustained interest. Another build to mania that's as bad as last years would be disastrous. Cena/Taker (there's several matches Cena could do but I really can't see how they can overlook this, absolute last chance for it) will alleviate that a lot but a big dud of a match from Brock and Bill right beforehand has the potential to run off everyone it ropes back in.

leggo

Ah yeah, whether it works or not is a whole different story and a lot of that will be in the execution. Like we'd have rolled our eyes at the idea of Brock/Taker last year after their terrible Mania match, then one great segment on Raw sold us all, but it can easily go the other way too (Brock/Ambrose). Their logic is relatively sound in theory but the devil will be in the details here.

PTH2009

Speaking of Joe. There's rumours he may be Strowmans opponent on raw

If so he would do similar to KO and appear on both Raw and NXT

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/backstage-news-on-main-roster-debut-for-samoa-joe

Reebrock

I don't like the sound of Joe coming in to fight Braun. To me it would feel like a waste.

johnnyryan89

PTH2009 wrote: »

Speaking of Joe. There's rumours he may be Strowmans opponent on raw

If so he would do similar to KO and appear on both Raw and NXT

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/backstage-news-on-main-roster-debut-for-samoa-joe

Kinda hoping he makes his debut at No Mercy and do to Curt Hawkins what he did to the new guy on nxt on Wednesday. Probably be the only good thing to come out of Hawkins return.

DM_7

Reckon Zack will turn on MoJo and join with Hawkins. Tag division is an area that Smackdown can do well in. Zack and Hawkins could be a good heel team.

Lithium93_

Tyson Kidd according to doctors should've been paralyzed, or dead..

http://pwslam.com/tyson-kidd-update-doctors-said-died-paralyzed/

Monokne

DM_7 wrote: »

Reckon Zack will turn on MoJo and join with Hawkins. Tag division is an area that Smackdown can do well in. Zack and Hawkins could be a good heel team.

Hmm. They've spent 8 weeks running vignettes promoting a new character for Hawkins, and a year developing the Hype Bro's in developmental. It doesn't seem that there's a natural segue to Ryder & Hawkins teaming again, nor would it make any sense in storyline, nor would it make any sense with what they've been building. Also, they were a completely run of the mill team. Not sure why they'd put them back together.

Agent Coulson

Seeing in a few places Becky is out for a month with an injury and will miss the PPV tomorrow.

Chain Smoker

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Tyson Kidd according to doctors should've been paralyzed, or dead..

http://pwslam.com/tyson-kidd-update-doctors-said-died-paralyzed/

Jesus, the scar in that tweet is terrifying.

Itssoeasy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Seeing in a few places Becky is out for a month with an injury and will miss the PPV tomorrow.

Ah fup off.why what injury does she have ?