Some Wrestling News & Rumours 2019 Thread ***NO CHAT***

Lithium93_

Or a novel concept, how about letting someone who's never won the Rumble win it.

SureYWouldntYa

PTH2009 wrote: »

The belief is the 2019 winner will be a

repeat winner

After last year going with the 2 people who the fans wanted to win, it could make sense for them to then go with 2 safe options like Orton and Nia Jax or Charlotte

J. Marston

Read that Dakota Kai tore her ACL. Her and Tegan Nox are a tag team called Team Kick (I think?) and they both have had massive leg injuries within a month of each other.

That is some rotten luck.

Itssoeasy

J. Marston wrote: »

Read that Dakota Kai tore her ACL. Her and Tegan Nox are a tag team called Team Kick (I think?) and they both have had massive leg injuries within a month of each other.

That is some rotten luck.

Yeah team kick. Ah feck it anyway. I saw the picture of her in the ring with the medical crew around her and it didn't seem good. The only thing going for her and Tegan Nox is they are both young, but still horrible to hear.

CastorTroy

A number of guys had their last matches with RoH at the weekend and had their curtain call

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEvpFAzI-n4

Also during their match, the Bucks ignored their C&D to do Too Sweet. And at one point a sledgehammer came into play. So a couple wee jabs at WWE.
Of course people were surprised Nick could even stand for the call after his table spot

hufpc8w3adnk65

Will they end up in WWE or will they start their indie fed?

Lithium93_

MrMac84 wrote: »

Will they end up in WWE or will they start their indie fed?

I hope they stay away from the Dumpster fire that is WWE.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I hope they stay away from the Dumpster fire that is WWE.

I don’t watch any other promotion so wouldn’t mind if they did to see what the fuss is

Agent Coulson

Well I do know if the Bucks turn up in they WWE they will have to take a Superkick party from the Uso's because well because it's the WWE.

sky88

I do like the elite but I'll never really get the cult like following they have were they think they can do no wrong

leggo

sky88 wrote: »

I do like the elite but I'll never really get the cult like following they have were they think they can do no wrong

I’d veer almost the opposite way in that I don’t like them that much as a unit but I totally see how they click. People love the meta humour and references, fans essentially want to feel part of the action and the wink-nod humour of The Elite enables that. Now personally I’d be fairly cynical of it myself, Cody in particular is as arrogant as any wrestler and can’t really present as “just like you guys” when a quick glance at his Twitter says he’s anything but, plus there’s a lot of people who do that kind of humour better where it genuinely works as actual comedy instead of just ‘goofy’ (our own Angel Cruz for example). But they’re the most famous people doing it so they’re reaping the benefits.

sky88

leggo wrote: »

I’d veer almost the opposite way in that I don’t like them that much as a unit but I totally see how they click. People love the meta humour and references, fans essentially want to feel part of the action and the wink-nod humour of The Elite enables that. Now personally I’d be fairly cynical of it myself, Cody in particular is as arrogant as any wrestler and can’t really present as “just like you guys” when a quick glance at his Twitter says he’s anything but, plus there’s a lot of people who do that kind of humour better where it genuinely works as actual comedy instead of just ‘goofy’ (our own Angel Cruz for example). But they’re the most famous people doing it so they’re reaping the benefits.

Codys reaction to what Jordan devlin said about them taking up too much time when they were over in ott I think spoke for itself. Also his speech was so pandering it was dx at their worst

ERG89

sky88 wrote: »

I do like the elite but I'll never really get the cult like following they have were they think they can do no wrong

That'll be really tested in 2019 with the promotion which seems inevitable. I can't see what they are going to offer a large audience a particular issue now the lack of unsigned, known talent available.

sky88

ERG89 wrote: »

That'll be really tested in 2019 with the promotion which seems inevitable. I can't see what they are going to offer a large audience a particular issue now the lack of unsigned, known talent available.

Even with the supposed billionaire behind them think it's same guy who owns Fulham the only way to really make money for the owners will be tv money but seems to be a tough climate for any company not named wwe right now

leggo

The problem with wrestler-led stuff like this is that the real winners tend to be the wrestlers themselves. Look at WCW giving Hogan etc creative control, or even CM Punk when WWE gave him his big push after the pipe bomb: the wrestlers' personal situation usually changes dramatically but the end product isn't the great beyond that was promised. I'll give them a shot and the benefit of the doubt, for sure, but I can't help but shake the feeling that the lads may be being too ambitious here...

sky88

leggo wrote: »

The problem with wrestler-led stuff like this is that the real winners tend to be the wrestlers themselves. Look at WCW giving Hogan etc creative control, or even CM Punk when WWE gave him his big push after the pipe bomb: the wrestlers' personal situation usually changes dramatically but the end product isn't the great beyond that was promised. I'll give them a shot and the benefit of the doubt, for sure, but I can't help but shake the feeling that the lads may be being too ambitious here...

I mean as wrestling fans I would love if it worked out as wwe need proper competition. Tbh I think Vince misses not having wcw there to compete with.

I do find it fascinating on how they will book themselves in the company if it goes and would they get a backlash always being top guys ala trips and many many others who've done it

ERG89

sky88 wrote: »

I mean as wrestling fans I would love if it worked out as wwe need proper competition. Tbh I think Vince misses not having wcw there to compete with.

If Vince wanted competition he wouldn't have signed so much talent that they don't know what to do with, tried to block companies using MSG and start NXT UK. They want all the money made in wrestling no different from the 80's. It's a large part of the reason they are basically untouchable.

leggo

sky88 wrote: »

I mean as wrestling fans I would love if it worked out as wwe need proper competition. Tbh I think Vince misses not having wcw there to compete with.

I do find it fascinating on how they will book themselves in the company if it goes and would they get a backlash always being top guys ala trips and many many others who've done it

While I find reading about different approaches people have to booking themselves interesting, I find it hard to invest in as a fan once I know. For example, I couldn't get into Cody/Nick Aldis last year knowing Cody was booking himself to have a heroic win. I was conscious it was a really well executed match, and look it clearly worked when you see the crowd reaction, but it just couldn't hook me knowing that Cody gave himself that 'career-defining' moment.

Even if someone books themselves to lose, it can come across wanky and indulgent. Triple H putting lads over in big matches used to be class and mean something, but think of how hollow it became every year as he grew older when it was "hot young prospect vs Triple H" at WrestleMania. Reigns and Rollins both beat him, but you couldn't feel like "Wow, they just beat Triple H! That's amazing!" in the same way you'd feel if they beat, say, Taker. You're just very conscious of the fact that Triple H was behind it himself and probably patting himself on the back throughout thinking, "I'm such a good guy, passing the torch to the next generation"...while actually just inserting himself into a match or situation nobody particularly wanted or needed him to be in. I'd fear The Elite would take a similar approach. Cody reminds me of Triple H actually in that sense: I can't honestly tell you any 'dream matches' I could think of that'd involve him, but I know for a fact he sees himself as a main event level talent. Sure remember when he left WWE and put out a list of matches he wanted? It was a cool tweet and way to market himself, but I don't think I was alone in not clamouring to see any or all of them.

gerrybbadd

Lots of reports online that 3 of 4 members of Being The Elite (The Bucks & Cody) turned down a 7 digit multi year deal with WWE recently.

I know the Bucks are making wheelbarrows of cash in merch. They are also collectively talking of making their own fed in the new year.

Interesting times

sky88

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Lots of reports online that 3 of 4 members of Being The Elite (The Bucks & Cody) turned down a 7 digit multi year deal with WWE recently.

I know the Bucks are making wheelbarrows of cash in merch. They are also collectively talking of making their own fed in the new year.

Interesting times

I always take those stories with a pinch of salt especially with the elite having such a strong relationship with Meltzer etc

J. Marston

Leaking their own made-up stories to appear like stars.

WWE's tag division is in the shítter at the moment (Well, Raw's at least) and I think with Gallows and Anderson they had their hands burned with bringing in a "cool" western tag team who did well in Japan, so I don't see them offering Young Bucks $1 million+.

But I do have an irrational dislike of them so my opinion is coloured by that.

ERG89

They all definitely got significant multi year offers. Whether it's 7 figures who knows but when you look at their merch sales, links to a new promotion and bargaining position it's plausible. WWE have stupid money now & if the talent negotiating new deals don't look for pay increases they are morons.

martyos121

It’s also cheaper to give them 7 figure deals and tie them down and ruin their star power than let them off running their own promotion and taking the risk (albeit a tiny one) of them actually making a success of it. They’ll never be able to compete with WWE, that much goes without saying, but I reckon the petty side of Vince would gladly spend a few million dollars to squash any chance of another promotion coming along.

If you look at what they’re doing with the plans for regional performance centres and NXT shows, it’s clear they want to dominate the market in every major wrestling territory, and potential markets too. They can’t really hurt NJPW as much as they’d like to, and RoH will always have a steady stream of talent passing through to keep themselves relevant, but they can squash potential brands if they so wish. If they did offer such deals to the Elite recently, it’s almost surely linked to them trying to get a new promotion off the ground.

Agent Coulson

The Bucks/The Elite would probably have to give up the rights to there merch sales to the WWE.


So a 7 figure offer would probably more to do with projected merch sales by the WWE machine than wrestling ability and expected push.


They would be buried and Vince makes money off the merch.

Monokne

I don't think a buried act is selling a ton of merch. You look at WWE's buried tag teams - you might see a single B team or Revival shirt or Ascension shirt for every 20 Bullet Club ones at a WWE show.

To my mind, the Bucks would be no different to any other hot act Vince brings in. They'd start out hot, Vince would see what he doesn't like about them & beat them, and they'd wind up in the middle of the pack. I can't see any act that's guaranteed 750k+ a year being overtly buried though, particularly if they're moving merch.

leggo

Monokne wrote: »

I don't think a buried act is selling a ton of merch. You look at WWE's buried tag teams - you might see a single B team or Revival shirt or Ascension shirt for every 20 Bullet Club ones at a WWE show.

To my mind, the Bucks would be no different to any other hot act Vince brings in. They'd start out hot, Vince would see what he doesn't like about them & beat them, and they'd wind up in the middle of the pack. I can't see any act that's guaranteed 750k+ a year being overtly buried though, particularly if they're moving merch.

Yeah, this. Vince responds to merch sales and quarterly segment figures. It’s why Daniel Bryan is champion now when he easily could’ve validated his initial thoughts on him, but Bryan now has a track record of moving the needle so he’ll always be remembered. It’s why Becky didn’t just get completely forgotten about, even when they weren’t pushing her, and why Balor won’t either. But the likes of Gallows and Anderson were never big merch movers (aside from being involved in BC) so couldn’t hold any reasonable claim to deserving a big push when the alternative is a proven commodity in New Day. If Young Bucks came in and made WWE tons of money, they’d get used well (and sure it’s not as if the tag-team division in WWE has a big long queue they’d need to get in the back of).

PTH2009

https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/report-finn-balor-to-receive-a-major-push-in-wwe

Surprised at that but will it be like his push before he got injured In 2016

J. Marston

Saw a stat recently that said Finn has wrestled the most matches this year in WWE.

Always kinda thought that they were reluctant to push him again after his injury so maybe the push rumours are coming from him showing that he won't break down and a reward for somehow staying very popular despite shíte writing and having little to no character.

SureYWouldntYa

Imagine no build to it, and Demon Balor enters the Rumble and wins it

Now that would be unreal

Furious-Red

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Imagine no build to it, and Demon Balor enters the Rumble and wins it

Now that would be unreal

Then picks to face Daniel Bryan at WM

SureYWouldntYa

Furious-Red wrote: »

Then picks to face Daniel Bryan at WM

Id rather then see a built up Demon Balor face the Beast if he’s still the champion, that could be unreal if done right

Agent Coulson

Stone Cold Becky The Man.

https://twitter.com/briantheguppie/status/1079601887287099399

Monokne

Becky needs a finish actually...

Loughc

Monokne wrote: »

Becky needs a finish actually...

The dis-arm-her?

J. Marston

All Elite Wrestling is confirmed...

https://twitter.com/all_in_2018/status/1080013414309584896?s=21

Vanity project doomed to failure or something that can threaten WWE in the long-term? I'm leaning towards the former.

ERG89

J. Marston wrote: »

All Elite Wrestling is confirmed...
Vanity project doomed to failure or something that can threaten WWE in the long-term? I'm leaning towards the former.

If you look at it only being a success by being a genuine threat to WWE they will of course 110% fail in the short or long term. :rolleyes:
Their best chance of making it a success as a wrestling company is down to a good TV deal(there are only offers now), working agreements with other companies and offering something that is an alternative to WWE without trying to be like it which is where TNA and WCW inflicted their most self harm.
While there isn't a huge wrestling fanbase out there now(WWE only drew 12k in the 20k seater MSG for instance) the fans who are out there now seem more than willing to spend money on wrestling tho.

hufpc8w3adnk65

J. Marston wrote: »

All Elite Wrestling is confirmed...

https://twitter.com/all_in_2018/status/1080013414309584896?s=21

Vanity project doomed to failure or something that can threaten WWE in the long-term? I'm leaning towards the former.

When the top “stars” are also the bookers. It can’t work. Will go like dubya see dubya

ERG89

MrMac84 wrote: »

When the top “stars” are also the bookers. It can’t work. Will go like dubya see dubya

I dunno the McMahon's seem to be the only real stars in WWE nowdays :pac:
The thing is nobody knows who or what the creative setup will be, who is even on the roster, what network they are on, have they a long term PPV platform, have they working agreements/exclusive deals with talent, whats their approach internationally.
Way too early to label it as something until months after it starts once you see its positives and negatives.
These things take a while to get off the ground, even moreso trying to sell wrestling to create new fans, I don't think any company has successfully done that long term this century.

Agent Coulson

I wouldn't surprised seeing them trying to get a streaming deal with Netflix.

sky88

I think the main thing going for them is there being funded by a legit billionaire with I'm sure plenty of connections to get tv deals.

I'm pretty sure they've all the main wrestling journalist in their pockets so no bad publicity really.

But another possible big wrestling company is never going to be a bad thing as it's what the industry needs.

I actually think Netflix would be there best bet for success

Also find it pretty funny tye dillinger is retweeting all aew stuff clearly trying to push for his release.

Monokne

Loughc wrote: »

The dis-arm-her?

A non sub, I meant.

Monokne

sky88 wrote: »

I think the main thing going for them is there being funded by a legit billionaire with I'm sure plenty of connections to get tv deals.

I'm pretty sure they've all the main wrestling journalist in their pockets so no bad publicity really.

But another possible big wrestling company is never going to be a bad thing as it's what the industry needs.

I actually think Netflix would be there best bet for success

Also find it pretty funny tye dillinger is retweeting all aew stuff clearly trying to push for his release.

Far too early to make a judgement on AEW. If they get a TV deal that pays them several million dollars a year, they can be profitable. If they don't, they can't. That's basically the business now.

If they have a deal like Impact where they will earn 1 or 2 million bucks a year and they've got to depends on making money at the gate and on merch, I don't see it being sustainable.

beakerjoe

Mean Gene has died. Aged 76

A legendary figure of WWF back in the 80's and early 90's.

RIP

Riddle101

beakerjoe wrote: »

Mean Gene has died. Aged 76

A legendary figure of WWF back in the 80's and early 90's.

RIP

Rest in Peace Mean Gene. I'll always remember those moments of him breaking character and cracking up during interviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSO8Bw8hW9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbQDXFF0X9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbcCO7OBafA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO1nBKoNGaA

brianregan09

There's been a new leak this time Toni Storm

Itssoeasy

brianregan09 wrote: »

There's been a new leak this time Toni Storm

Ah that would explain where her twitter account has been deleted or at least all the tweets are gone and there is a hashtag of wesupporttoni going around on twitter. I assumed this was all stopped. Not the wrestling ones but these leaks in general.

CastorTroy

Best way to stop it is to not take the photos

weareallmarks

For fear of ridicule and abuse let me run something by you

When people tweet a hashtag they actually bring eyeballs to whatever the issue is. In this case, it is something that the victim (what she is) doesnt want broadcast

I wouldnt have known a thing about it until the # appeared on twitter. I am too old to bother searching, but alot of people will go straight to google to have a look. Thus doing the complete opposite of what th tweet intended .

Certainly show support, maybe dont paint a target on where to find the offending pics?

Just a thought, back i go to by cassette tapes and beta max

beakerjoe

What anyone does in the their private lives is their business, once its not illegal or hurtful to someone else.

In 2018, its your own responsibility to protect your data. If you dont want leaks, be mindful of who you share personal data with. It just takes one scorned lover to make all this available.

If your any sort of celebrity its just not worth it.

CastorTroy

But with one of the previous leaks, someone said they had deleted the pics. It's because they were in cloud storage. And I'm sure it was said it was reported it was the storage and not the phones that was hacked. I mean I've taken pictures (of a normal type in case anyone's wondering. ) and next thing I see they're getting uploaded. I turned that function off before yet it reactivated again.