Some Wrestling News & Rumours 2019 Thread ***NO CHAT***

CastorTroy

With the talk of contracts, are AEW using the "independent contractor" thing or are they actually employees?

gerrybbadd

CastorTroy wrote: »

With the talk of contracts, are AEW using the "independent contractor" thing or are they actually employees?

Tony Khan quote

" I think there’s a great opportunity for people to gain full-time employment in this company, not just as a wrestler, but also in the front office… We already have a lot of people involved and we’ll definitely be taking care of our employees.”

Monokne

With AEW - the VP's like Cody/Omega/Bucks will probably be employees but the wrestlers are independant contractors.

Re the WWE contracts. People very much missing the point by saying wrestlers should just abide by them. They are unreasonably restrictive and wouldn't stand up to a court battle, but in the American legal system, he who has the most money wins so the likes of Sasha, Harper, Neville are in no position to challenge them.

Let it be noted that the only person who ever challenged the legalities of a WWE contract was Brock Lesnar who challenged their non compete. The judge ruled it was much too far reaching and declared it null and void. What do you think the same judge would think if he was presented with a scenario like Harpers where WWE unilaterally adds time on to a contract based on Harper missing time from being injured WHILE WORKING IN A WWE RING no less? It's patently f*cking ridiculous.

weareallmarks

Stop the silliness! They are contracted to WWE for work on certain dates at certain times for certain money. They are paid to not work elsewhere. If they dont want to work for WWE dont sign the deal. You cant sign a contract and then moan about the contract you signed. That is not how the world works. Whether you call them employees or contractors, the contract rules either word.

Negotiate the deal, if you dont get what you want, have the liathroidi to walk away

gerrybbadd wrote: »

But they aren't employees, by WWE's own admission - they are "independant contractors"

weareallmarks

give me a real example of where WWE has not done what is said in the contract? If you are injured they can add that time to the end of the deal, that is written down. Nothing they do is made up out of thin air ! Everything has a signature at the bottom of the page........ Yes they can be petty, but business is petty!

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Why can't wrestlers hold wwe to the terms of the contract then

weareallmarks

mate they HAVE stood up to a court battle numerous times, even excluding the statute of limitations case. Simple as, noone is signing the contract without knowing what is in it. Sign the deal do the work. Same principle applies if you work in a bank!

If you have no value in their eyes they will let you go. Nothing they do is made up out of thin air, it is all written down and signed by the employee/independant contractor / insert word here

Business is business. Sasha banks is off sulking because she didnt get her way or the employer changed their mind on a storyline. Thats on her, not on the contract....in fact, if you or i sulked our way away from work for weeks, we would be fired. They are actually treating her better than she would be treated in the real world

Monokne wrote: »

With AEW - the VP's like Cody/Omega/Bucks will probably be employees but the wrestlers are independant contractors.

Re the WWE contracts. People very much missing the point by saying wrestlers should just abide by them. They are unreasonably restrictive and wouldn't stand up to a court battle, but in the American legal system, he who has the most money wins so the likes of Sasha, Harper, Neville are in no position to challenge them.

Let it be noted that the only person who ever challenged the legalities of a WWE contract was Brock Lesnar who challenged their non compete. The judge ruled it was much too far reaching and declared it null and void. What do you think the same judge would think if he was presented with a scenario like Harpers where WWE unilaterally adds time on to a contract based on Harper missing time from being injured WHILE WORKING IN A WWE RING no less? It's patently f*cking ridiculous.

ERG89

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/1123383447601467393?s=19

More sh!te, lazy matches incoming. He & WWE deserve each other so much

leggo

weareallmarks wrote: »

mate they HAVE stood up to a court battle numerous times, even excluding the statute of limitations case. Simple as, noone is signing the contract without knowing what is in it. Sign the deal do the work. Same principle applies if you work in a bank!

If you have no value in their eyes they will let you go. Nothing they do is made up out of thin air, it is all written down and signed by the employee/independant contractor / insert word here

Business is business. Sasha banks is off sulking because she didnt get her way or the employer changed their mind on a storyline. Thats on her, not on the contract....in fact, if you or i sulked our way away from work for weeks, we would be fired. They are actually treating her better than she would be treated in the real world

This. ^^^

The John Oliver piece was interesting and raised some valid points, but also missed the mark considerably on others (and that’s not a knock on John Oliver either, it’s impossible to explain the intricacies of an entire industry in 20 minutes). The reality is that, in 2019, WWE treat wrestlers infinitely better than any other company on the planet. They have to because of the size of the company, the fact that they’re beholden to stockholders and in the public eye. I’m not saying they’re angels doing this out of the good of their own heart, but the end result is way better than elsewhere. Like I found it hilarious people who sing the indies’ praises slating WWE after the Oliver piece: the only difference between WWE and the indies in that regard is that when Vince tells you you can’t work elsewhere, he pays you. What the indies do is WAY more scummy!

Wrestlers and the likes of AEW are working the public and playing off WWE fatigue that’s not actually based in reality. Again that’s their right, all is fair in business. But wrestlers are acting like they didn’t know what they signed up to and are being held at ransom because they’re throwing the toys out of the pram and see an opportunity to make more money elsewhere. They knew exactly what they signed up to, they just thought they’d do better and when it turned out they couldn’t they’re trying to change the debate. AEW have proven nothing so far. Their words are just that until they’ve actually run shows and set up an infrastructure to provide a lasting meaningful life for wrestlers. They may do well, they may not, but until they demonstrate they can they’re just trying to sow discontent for their own financial benefit while actually offering nothing of substance. Let’s not pretend AEW is a charity, it’s very much a business who’d probably act exactly like WWE in a lot of ways if they were in a position to do so. The Jacksonville Jaguars and Fulham aren’t bloated community outreach programmes, they’re tightly run sports franchises who play the game as much as anyone else.

The fact fans are willing to let themselves get worked like this is interesting and potentially a bad sign for WWE, it’s not insignificant, but there’s also no proof that it’ll be anything more than a few tweets giving out before returning to the status quo. Wrestling fans in particular are great at patting people on the back for free on Twitter in the hope of getting a like or retweet from a wrestler, but when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is going back to Vince McMahon’s warm, loving embrace (even if they moan about it while doing so).

TimesArrow

https://twitter.com/jonmoxley/status/1123438186410205184?s=21

So Jon Moxley (aka Dean Ambrose) just posted this video.. what does it mean? Is this is sure sign he’s going to AEW?

montyrebel

he isnt going anywhere imo, just a gimmick change, think i read somewhere that witht hem going to fox they can go more attitude era so this is the start of it

Officer999

According to Ryan Satin;

Ambrose is seen walking by a dice graphic on the wall in his Jon Moxley return hype video. The numbers shown on the dice are 2 and 5. That is the date of Double or Nothing (May 25) in Las Vegas, NV

sky88

hes 100% gone from wwe see him as the kind of guy that wont sign exclusively for a company again. Never followed him on the indies will take a lot to not call him ambrose

RollieFingers

Hopefully he ends up in AEW, he'd gotten pretty stale in WWE.

Monokne

montyrebel wrote: »

he isnt going anywhere imo, just a gimmick change, think i read somewhere that witht hem going to fox they can go more attitude era so this is the start of it

He's using his own name.

gerrybbadd

Monokne wrote: »

He's using his own name.

Jon Good?

RollieFingers

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Jon Good?

Johnny B Badd

Monokne

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Jon Good?

Jon Moxley.

Monokne

Independent contractors https://www.ringsidenews.com/2019/04/30/wwe-superstars-told-to-give-all-social-media-passwords-to-company/

leggo

Monokne wrote: »

Independent contractors https://www.ringsidenews.com/2019/04/30/wwe-superstars-told-to-give-all-social-media-passwords-to-company/

Oh my god, why are you acting like they're forced to do this?! This isn't illegal, social media activity is widely controlled within the public domain (even my own job has policies around it), and they have an option to not agree to this by not working for WWE.

You're getting worked with this stuff by believing that grown adults didn't happily agree to all of this. These aren't children plucked from their families and forced into labour. They're not victims, many of them are very wealthy individuals who were happy to accept all of this while it worked for them. Even when they sit out and sulk, they're paid to do so. I don't get paid in my job if I decide I don't want to work because I'm unhappy with how I'm being used.

Lord TSC

TimesArrow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jonmoxley/status/1123438186410205184?s=21

So Jon Moxley (aka Dean Ambrose) just posted this video.. what does it mean? Is this is sure sign he’s going to AEW?

Literally waited 5 minutes after his contract expired to go "**** retirement".

Lord TSC

Dash Wilder's contract has been extended by 2 months, to cover the time he missed while hurt.

J. Marston

Wonder if they keep making them look stupid on TV or just take them off.

PTH2009

the farce continues

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/05/goldberg-653654/

The HBK return proved it was all about the $$$$

ERG89

PTH2009 wrote:

The HBK return proved it was all about the $$$$

I've said it before but DX vs the NWO will happen on one of these shows.
Anyone not in a grave is eligible to work a match

CastorTroy

I suppose wheeling all these old stars is appropriate for a country living in the past

Furious-Red

ERG89 wrote: »

I've said it before but DX vs the NWO will happen on one of these shows.
Anyone not in a grave is eligible to work a match

With HHH getting the pin for DX :pac::pac:

ERG89

CastorTroy wrote:

I suppose wheeling all these old stars is appropriate for a country living in the past

It's horrific but I got a strange kick out of them not knowing wrestlers they were requesting were dead. In some cases, like Yokozuna for nearly 2 decades.

The Nal

ERG89 wrote: »

It's horrific but I got a strange kick out of them not knowing wrestlers they were requesting were dead. In some cases, like Yokozuna for nearly 2 decades.

They wanted The Ultimate Warrior too

PTH2009

ERG89 wrote: »

It's horrific but I got a strange kick out of them not knowing wrestlers they were requesting were dead. In some cases, like Yokozuna for nearly 2 decades.

Remember they brought in some random Sumo guy instead and those unknown random NXT guys who if I recall correctly have not been seen since

One thing about these events is there on a good time for us

I wonder will Europe get one of these shows. Be cool for Wembely or someone other UK stadium.

sky88

Vince is a crazy man just nuts

Like theres not seeing someone is star like we all do but this is just ridiculous reason

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/bjt0ab/won_details_about_luke_harpers_release_request/

although i do wonder if people just make up stories about vince cause of how insane he is and they all seem plausible

J. Marston

Looks like Lio Rush is joining Sasha, Harper and The Revival on the unhappy list. Story came out a few days ago about him supposedly having heat backstage and in the locker room. He did an interview with Fightful responding to those claims...

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/exclusive-lio-rush-gives-fightful-his-side-wwe-heat-rumors

During an extended Twitter thread, Lio Rush responded to rumors of backstage heat and issues with co-workers. Over the past week, several stories have emerged detailing Rush's deteriorating reputation backstage. During that thread, he singled out Fightful -- who reached out both before and after the tweets.

"My issue has never been with Bobby (Lashley)," Lio told Fightful**.** "Being with Bobby has helped the both of us out tremendously. It’s given me speaking confidence I didn’t know i had. I never was a promo guy on the indies. But being with Bobby made me a promo guy. My issue isn’t with my on screen role. My issue is the fact that I haven’t been on meet & greets with Bobby, haven’t been getting paid for merchandise for us that has my catchphrases on them. (I) have been sent to live shows and TVs and forced to pay for my own rental for 5 days as well as hotel while not making enough money to do so. Walking around broke in the biggest sports entertainment industry that there is while having two kids and a wife to support."

A story from PWInsider had also been published this week, stating that Rush refused to "pay his dues" so to speak by providing water to veterans on a European tour, as is the case with many main roster rookies. Rush would address that as well.

"It’s not about race and it has never been, but public perception is important to me and when we have fans that travel all over the globe and watch us get off of buses and into hotels, the LOOK of a black kid carrying waters and bags for other wrestlers is just not a good look, especially when I’m trying to portray myself as a superstar as well," Rush told us.

On Saturday, Fightful revealed that there was a situation that garnered heat on Rush involving Finn Balor. Several Fightful sources stated that Balor let Lio Rush know that Vince McMahon and other management would probably look down on Rush's wife sitting in on rehearsals. Rush would somewhat deny that story, and instead blame someone else.

"Me and Finn are cool ,and my wife has never been an issue. There is someone who works for WWE who has hated me since the day I’ve worked for ROH and now that they work for WWE they’re leaking false information to get me released. At a certain point, I have to defend myself so that’s what I decided to do. We’re all human, and we’re all grown ass adults. The kind of **** the flies backstage is ridiculous and I’m surprised more people aren’t speaking up," Rush said.

As far as Lio's disappointment with how wrestling media covered the story, he opened up about that, and the way that he'd like to see things handled.

"These sheets should spread positive messages to the world but they only want to spread false, negative reports to damage someone else's career. What’s wrong with spreading truth? Thank you for reaching out to me, and I appreciate you for doing that. I honestly do. I’ve never been about the BS or politics or anything else rather than showing up to work, doing my job and providing for my family. I grew up in the worst parts of DC, and certain things that I was taught will always stick with me and why I’ve gotten to where I am now in life. I realize that people will talk regardless of how much positivity you try and push out into the world," Rush closed.

Weird seeing a current WWE wrestler being that open and blunt with backstage issues. The most you often get is ambiguous tweets.

The White Wolf

Fair play to Rush, he's put them on the spot and will be interesting to see how they react. Wonder who he was referring to.

PTH2009

https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/report-daniel-bryan-is-medically-cleared

possibly will be added too the MITB WWE title match ??

TimesArrow

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/report-daniel-bryan-is-medically-cleared

possibly will be added too the MITB WWE title match ??

Great news. Wonder what they’ll do with him long term. I’m guessing feuds with Roman/Balor are on the cards before they slowly turn him face again

Agent Coulson

The Last of the Von Erichs episode on the Dark Side of the Ring this week.


Such a tragic story.


Kevin Von Erich must be one of the bravest men going.

Itssoeasy

Does the Von Erich episode tell us anything new than what’s already out there. I don’t know how he gets out of bed in the morning. I mean all your brothers are dead tragically. Also I think it’s Kevin’s sons that are wrestlers. I don’t know why any of the Von Erich sons and daughters of the sons got into the business of pro wrestling considering what it did to their family.

Agent Coulson

No there isn’t anything new in it that we wouldn’t already know.

It is just a powerful story.

One line say it all. I was a bother to 5 now I’m not a brother at all.

Itssoeasy

Do they show the press conference with poor mike Von Erich suffering from toxic shock ? I've only seen it once but it was one of most uncomfortable thing in wrestling I've ever seen in wrestling. He sounded ****ed and didn't look much betrer.

Btw from 1982 to 1988 the world class TV is on the WWE network with only a few Random episodes missing. It's great to have that much online to watch.

sky88

Interesting from Henry on lio

https://twitter.com/bustedopenradio/status/1124047993865482255?s=21

weareallmarks

What else do you think any of the wrestling we see is about?

You think that if HBK wasnt offered so much money he would work for free? On this side of the barricade it is a romantic notion of a love of the sport, but in reality is about money. All of it! Professional sports is about money not dreams or big leather belts with brass on them

PTH2009 wrote: »

the farce continues

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/05/goldberg-653654/

The HBK return proved it was all about the $$$$

J. Marston

Mark Henry's job title is WWE brand ambassador so I'll take grain of salt with anything he says on this matter.

Agent Coulson

Mark Henry was also on a $1m dollar a year 10 year contract when he was rookie and crap for 7 of those years and I'm pretty sure he didn't care how his ego was seen popular or not behind the scenes with that paycheck.

ERG89

Agent Coulson wrote:

Mark Henry was also on a $1m dollar a year 10 year contract when he was rookie and crap for 7 of those years

Only 7??

Agent Coulson

ERG89 wrote: »

Only 7??

I was being generous crap until his retirement angle is what I really meant :pac:

Necro

Ah the Hall of Pain angle was good in fairness. His run as WH champ was fairly decent imo.

sky88

from his run as ecw champion onwards i thought he was great

i actually always thought his casket match with taker got crapped on for no real reason when it was a good solid match

ERG89

sky88 wrote:

i actually always thought his casket match with taker got crapped on for no real reason when it was a good solid match

Taker had an absolute belter of a match with Angle the previous month. As a comparison to that which was fresh in people's minds it was more like a dated early 1990's era Undertaker match vs big men i.e. not very good at all

Agent Coulson

The thing is Henry was making huge money for little effort compared to guys literally breaking their necks to earn a fraction of the money he was making.


Those guys that broke their necks earned the right for wrestlers today to speak up for themselves if they feel they need to ego or not.


He isn't the man to tell younger wrestlers off for speaking their minds and having what he preserves as an ego.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Was Henry really on a 1 million per annum 10 yr Contract?

I thought that was Big Show's initial deal with WWE back in 99.

They signed Henry in 96 when they weren't exactly flush with cash to pay for big money contracts. They couldn't afford Bret's deal at the time.

Furious-Red

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Was Henry really on a 1 million per annum 10 yr Contract?

I thought that was Big Show's initial deal with WWE back in 99.

They signed Henry in 96 when they weren't exactly flush with cash to pay for big money contracts, they couldn't afford Bret's deal at the time.

Yea i think they mentioned it his WWE doc about how much he was signed for