Going rate for teenage help?

NegativeCreep

It's a testament to how bored I am that i actually read the entirety of this thread...

Tombi!

Dozer Dave wrote: »

Are you living in imagination land with your €15 per hour, do you realise there are qualified tradesmen not even on that money.

No. I could think of some stuff that would take 15 an hour. Take moving heavy objects. I think it was around 40-50 per hour for house movers. Of course, they have their own vehicles. Still took around 2-3 hours I think. It was only down the road too; about... 10 minutes driving in their nice giant truck. One trip. All they did was move the stuff into the house. Didn't set it up or anything.

A teenager who does it in just as good a time easily deserves 15 an hour (ie 45 euro).

Areyouwell

shruikan2553 wrote: »

1 hour with a thai hooker

I seriously think that the hooker would want to be accused of pedophilia, if the lad is just 15 or possibly younger.

Dozer Dave

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

No. I could think of some stuff that would take 15 an hour. Take moving heavy objects. I think it was around 40-50 per hour for house movers. Of course, they have their own vehicles. Still took around 2-3 hours I think. It was only down the road too; about... 10 minutes driving in their nice giant truck. One trip. All they did was move the stuff into the house. Didn't set it up or anything.

You are talking about a professional company who pay tax, who have to pay insurances, have to pay to maintain their vehicle and all other expenses with running a business. You take out all the expenses out of what they earned and what they are left with is two different figures altogether.
Always amuses me when people think garages, tradesmen etc are making a fortune, little do they do what expenses there are in running a company.

Tombi!

Dozer Dave wrote: »

You are talking about a professional company who pay tax, who have to pay insurances, have to pay to maintain their vehicle and all other expenses with running a business. You take out all the expenses out of what they earned and what they are left with is two different figures altogether.
Always amuses me when people think garages, tradesmen etc are making a fortune, little do they do what expenses there are in running a company.

I never said that at all.
My point in the first post I made is simple: it depends on circumstances. If the OP feels being generous, they can throw them extra money. To me, someone who saves me money might deserve more more than the bare minimum. Did I say hire a 15 year old over a professional company? I don't get why you're trying to bring in taxes and so on as a reason to charge higher.
Unless you're trying to argue that they deserve more because they have more expenses which is fine. But that would against what I feel personally, that giving beyond the bare minimum is a good thing.

But like most jobs that can be negotiated, sometimes you feel like giving more than asked since you feel they deserve more.

And trust me, I'm well, well aware that tradesmen (generally) are not some well off rich men doing a job you could pay Joe down the road to do and get the same experience.

Baron Kurtz

The Backwards Man wrote: »

When I was a lad, neighbours were neighbours
When I was a lad, doing you favours
People giving people a hand, no matter how small
When I was a lad, dolly mixtures
When I was a lad, Saturday pictures
When I was a lad, those were the greatest days of all

Real Old Mister Brennan stuff there.

Dozer Dave

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I never said that at all.
My point in the first post I made is simple: it depends on circumstances. If the OP feels being generous, they can throw them extra money. To me, someone who saves me money might deserve more more than the bare minimum. Did I say hire a 15 year old over a professional company? I don't get why you're trying to bring in taxes and so on as a reason to charge higher.
Unless you're trying to argue that they deserve more because they have more expenses which is fine. But that would against what I feel personally, that giving beyond the bare minimum is a good thing.

You are the one that mentioned about a moving company charging huge money, i am only making you see some logical sense in that what the moving company made is not all profit like the teenager getting the €50 into his back pocket.

One eyed Jack

Dozer Dave wrote: »

You are the one that mentioned about a moving company charging huge money, i am only making you see some logical sense in that what the moving company made is not all profit like the teenager getting the €50 into his back pocket.

You mentioned earlier that people here hadn't a clue about running a business. Since when does any labourer not charge for their time? That's not profit when it's already been shown earlier that the €50 is in line with the minimum hourly rate for his age.

weldoninhio

Areyouwell wrote: »

I seriously think that the hooker would want to be accused of pedophilia, if the lad is just 15 or possibly younger.

Eh, if it's a Thai hooker she's probably the same age!!! Duh!!!

Dozer Dave

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That's not profit when it's already been shown earlier that the €50 is in line with the minimum hourly rate for his age.

Are they before or after tax figures?

Tombi!

Dozer Dave wrote: »

You are the one that mentioned about a moving company charging huge money, i am only making you see some logical sense in that what the moving company made is not all profit like the teenager getting the €50 into his back pocket.

A huge wage?
Where did I say that? Where did I say it was all profit?

Dozer Dave

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

A huge wage?
Where did I say that? Where did I say it was all profit?

Your post certainly comes across as they earned soft money for their job, illustrating what professional personal earns has only brought inaccurate comparison anyway.

One eyed Jack

Dozer Dave wrote: »

Are they before or after tax figures?

They're before tax figures obviously, the same as anyone who is self-employed is allowed earn a certain amount before they go over a certain threshold. You really are trying hard here but the fact is that a person under 18 engaged in casual labour is hardly in the same league as a tradesman.

A tradesman has feckall to do with anything here really as the job spec could be fulfilled by a general labourer.

Dozer Dave

One eyed Jack wrote: »

A tradesman has feckall to do with anything here really as the job spec could be fulfilled by a general labourer.

I was not the one who brought up an example of a moving company and what they charged which led the conversation turn into a train wreck.

Tombi!

Dozer Dave wrote: »

Your post certainly comes across as they earned soft money for their job, illustrating what professional personal earns has only brought inaccurate comparison anyway.

Well, if you decided that, fine. But that's not what the post said.

Tombi!

Dozer Dave wrote: »

I was not the one who brought up an example of a moving company and what they charged which led the conversation turn into a train wreck.

Actually, if you wanted to reread my post again (which I think you should read all my posts again), you'll understand my point is simple: it depends on circumstances. If the OP decided that getting the 15 year old to help them with the garden work is cheaper overall and deserves more than the bare minimum, then the child should get it.

I said the price of how much it cost to pay, not how much they deserve, a moving company and then gave the example that some child could do it for 5-15 quid an hour.
But, you'll note the main point is that circumstances dictate what is deserved. A moving company supplying the bells and whistles and the a decent professional experience might indeed deserve their 40 or 50 quid an hour. Bob down the road with a dodge truck, a dodgy back that might give out might also deserve the 40 to 50 an hour.

We're on about someone who's a child here. Not a full fledged business. The reason I mentioned the business is simple: they'd charge more. They deserve to (imo) charge more. But you're acting like I'm trying to insult laborers here which is wrong. I definitely know why a professional deserves more. I know wh a business deserves more.
That does not mean, understand any circumstance, that a person who does a job does not deserve just as much as a profession or a business. If the OP is indeed satisfied and believes the child did as good a job as a profession or business, then let the OP pay just as much.

Mint Aero

I'd give him €58.15. Just to make him think there was some logic behind the figure.

Dozer Dave

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

If the OP is indeed satisfied and believes the child did as good a job as a profession or business, then let the OP pay just as much.

Let the op pay what they want indeed but paying them €15 is madness altogether when other more skilled people working for years would not be on that money.
I would be talking about wages outside of Dublin in this case.

Tombi!

Dozer Dave wrote: »

Let the op pay what they want indeed but paying them €15 is madness altogether when other more skilled people working for years would not be on that money.
I would be talking about wages outside of Dublin in this case.

Not really. There are several "specialists" jobs that literally a few hours of learning can do.
There's a computer "fixit" company, called GeekSquad. They do all sorts of things. From fixing your computer if it has a virus to setting up a video games console like Playstation 4. Here is a service I know, without any doubt, I could do: http://www.geeksquad.com/services/home-theater/gaming-setup.aspx

How much are they charging? Let's look at this logically: where will your home theatre be? At... home! So they charge 99.99 dollars.
Let's say we charge 20 an hour. It takes 5 hours. Think about that.

Or, you could get some Joe from down the road who's a whiz with computers and knows how to do it and give them 15 euro for not even 30 minutes work.

See my point?

orchidsrpretty

I did work experience in TY, got it with a stockbrokers in Dublin city, they called me back for the second week as a person called in sick. I know you don't have to get paid for work experience, but I thought the €50 I got for the two weeks was scabby as hell seeing as I did feck all "stockbroking" and filled in the role of someone who was employed. It cost me more than that on travel and food for the second week alone. It really made me despise suit types, tight arse b*stards all of 'em. I was always taught a fair days wage for a fair days work. Which nearly means nothing this days with 0 hour contracts etc.

I guess what I'm saying is anything under €50 and he'll probably never help you again or at least very reluctant to if he has any sense, if you value his help i'd be thinking €75+ if I'm honest /2days it's not much (Probably cost €200+ to get a landscaper in), plus he's given up a chunk of his weekend to help you out.

orchidsrpretty

bb1234567 wrote: »

If I was 15 and worked 6 hours Id be delighted with anything over 30. 15 year olds will be happy with anything over 30 euro I guarantee you

yeah back in 1977!!!! - €30 = £23.70 = less than £4/hr. kids were getting paid more than that 20 years ago. With this fuddy duddy €€€'s we think we can pay less after 20years of inflation, no wonder ecomony f***ed.

One eyed Jack

orchidsrpretty wrote: »

I did work experience in TY, got it with a stockbrokers in Dublin city, they called me back for the second week as a person called in sick. I know you don't have to get paid for work experience, but I thought the €50 I got for the two weeks was scabby as hell seeing as I did feck all "stockbroking" and filled in the role of someone who was employed. It cost me more than that on travel and food for the second week alone. It really made me despise suit types, tight arse b*stards all of 'em. I was always taught a fair days wage for a fair days work. Which nearly means nothing this days with 0 hour contracts etc.

So they didn't have to pay you, yet they gave you €50 anyway, and they're still scabby? You were there for the experience and I would say you got more than a fair days pay for not doing any actual work.

I guess what I'm saying is anything under €50 and he'll probably never help you again or at least very reluctant to if he has any sense, if you value his help i'd be thinking €75+ if I'm honest /2days it's not much (Probably cost €200+ to get a landscaper in), plus he's given up a chunk of his weekend to help you out.

Demand €80 for a couple of hours unskilled labour, and he'll never be offered work again having priced himself out of the market.

One eyed Jack

orchidsrpretty wrote: »

yeah back in 1977!!!! - €30 = £23.70 = less than £4/hr. kids were getting paid more than that 20 years ago. With this fuddy duddy €€€'s we think we can pay less after 20years of inflation, no wonder ecomony f***ed.

20 years ago, £3.20 would've been a standard hourly rate for a young person working in unskilled employment. The economy is fcuked because now the minimum wage is nearly twice that.

orchidsrpretty

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So they didn't have to pay you, yet they gave you €50 anyway, and they're still scabby? You were there for the experience and I would say you got more than a fair days pay for not doing any actual work.

I was asked to cover the second week for someone else my work experience was for 1 week, and your presumptuous attitude makes me think you're a suit haha.. I worked more doing various tasks other than what the work experience was supposed to be. Stockbroking =/=1 afternoon in Irish stock exchange on Angelsea Street - R.I.P. SO yes it was scabby as F**K

Demand €80 for a couple of hours unskilled labour, and he'll never be offered work again having priced himself out of the market.

Think it was more than 2 hours work, and yes i'm being pedantic, but whats the point of using words if they have no meaning? €75 for two days work over the weekend last free days before going back to school anything less you're a miserable cnut!

Desolation Of Smug

mel.b wrote: »

One of the neighbour teenagers has been helping me out in my front garden to earn some pocket money. Not sure how old he is - maybe 15? The work has been a lot of digging and scraping and has been a big help. What would people pay per hour?

€20.00. per hour.

Pay up, mingy.

One eyed Jack

orchidsrpretty wrote: »

I was asked to cover the second week for someone else my work experience was for 1 week, and your presumptuous attitude makes me think you're a suit haha.. I work more doing various tasks other than what the work experience was supposed to be. Stockbroking =/=1 afternoon in Irish stock exchange on Angelsea Street - R.I.P. SO yes it was scabby as F**K

Simon Cowell started as a tea-boy in EMI, Richard Branson started out publishing a magazine, are they 'suits' too?

We all have to start somewhere. It was work experience, not Wall Street (the American equivalent of course are unpaid internships, where they work for free just to gain experience and network). We haven't ever grasped the concept here, and mores the pity IMO.

Think it was more than 2 hours work, and yes i'm being pedantic, but whats the point of using words if they have no meaning? €75 for two days work over the weekend last free days before going back to school anything less you're a miserable cnut!

Anything less than €75 for six hours unskilled labour is miserable? You can't possibly be serious?

Either that, or you're still living in Celtic Tiger times. I think I could live with the guy looking for €75 branding me a miserable cnut while the guy willing to take €50 for the same work I'd get him back again and I'd recommend him to anyone I knew looking to have some work done.

Iwasfrozen

Tugboats wrote: »

the lad is doing 6.5hrs work and is a neighbour of the op. 50e is decent and right

He can get a lemonade and a few biscuits and be happy.

Jesus Wept

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It sounds like physical labour though, not like he was sitting around on his tod doing nothing. Even at that - €5 an hour, for a 15 year old?

Sounds fair from where I'm standing?

I dont see why he should be paid below a slave lavour rate because he is 15. He is probably fitter than all of us.

If he was breaking a sweat, pay the man his money.

Whether anyone thinks 30e is a lot of money to a 15 year old is inconsequential.

Jesus Wept

One eyed Jack wrote: »

20 years ago, £3.20 would've been a standard hourly rate for a young person working in unskilled employment. The economy is fcuked because now the minimum wage is nearly twice that.

But inflation?

Galwayguy35

I got the neighbours son to help me picking stones when I was putting down the lawn, gave him €60 for the day because I knew he was a good worker.

As long as someone isn't afraid of a bit of hard work they deserve at least €50 for the day.

Teyla Emmagan

I'm just impressed you found a teenager willing to work for a couple of quid. Round here they won't even get their hands dirty. When I grew up we were basically considered free labour. Now it seems you can't even pay teenagers to give you a hand.

Renegade Mechanic

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

€20.00. per hour.

Pay up, mingy.

They're not getting their ddrive tarmacced at all :rolleyes:

myshirt

Say a guy hires a nice plump 18 year old girl to babysit the kids.
But the thing is, when this girl calls over she'll be in for a surprise..... he doesn't have any kids.
What's the going rate there? About 10 years?

As I see it, this thing is as much a child protection issue as anything else ever was. Permitting the continuation of a market of young girls in an unregulated environment is just appalling in 2015, I wouldn't practice it.

Running Balance

give him €18 and tell him you had to deducted emergency tax and prsi..

The other fella

myshirt wrote: »

Say a guy hires a nice plump 18 year old girl to babysit the kids.
But the thing is, when this girl calls over she'll be in for a surprise..... he doesn't have any kids.
What's the going rate there? About 10 years?

As I see it, this thing is as much a child protection issue as anything else ever was. Permitting the continuation of a market of young girls in an unregulated environment is just appalling in 2015, I wouldn't practice it.

Thats a whole different ball game to what the OP is talking about though.

Jesus Wept

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I'm just impressed you found a teenager willing to work for a couple of quid. Round here they won't even get their hands dirty. When I grew up we were basically considered free labour. Now it seems you can't even pay teenagers to give you a hand.

Is this the oldest youve sounded in a post Teyla? :-D