Naas Chat Thread

anewme

Another recommendation for K Windows. Got whole house replaced - previously Munster. Very happy with the quality of work and service and price.Have recommended to others and they very happy too.

ncoen

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Lakeside are local enough give them a call anyway and they’ll look after you

Thanks Ash, sent them off an email and will follow up with a call.

ncoen

Eli1 wrote: »

Highly recommend Emerald in Caragh. we have used them many times for all our windows and doors, also my parents and aunt

Cheers Eli1, will touch base with them too. ;-)

ncoen

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Yeah it's atrocious. Every second house has a fire burning. I suggest not walking outside after 3pm. The air is quite bad for your health.

Doesn't seem to be any stigma about burning logs and sending fumes to walkers outside.

I'm new to Naas, but there seems to be a lot of chimneys from the industrial sites coughing up fumes in the evenings... is that the norm? Seems health hazardous.

Bogwoppit

ncoen wrote: »

I'm new to Naas, but there seems to be a lot of chimneys from the industrial sites coughing up fumes in the evenings... is that the norm? Seems health hazardous.

Pretty much all of them just pump out steam.

ncoen

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Pretty much all of them just pump out steam.

Ah ok! Cheers Bogwoppit (some name) ;-)

We're actually planning on replacing our open fireplace with a wood burning stove which I believe are virtually carbon neutral. Nice to put the fire on, but even nice to not impact others health.

Kaizer Sosa

ncoen wrote: »

Ah ok! Cheers Bogwoppit (some name) ;-)

We're actually planning on replacing our open fireplace with a wood burning stove which I believe are virtually carbon neutral. Nice to put the fire on, but even nice to not impact others health.

My understanding (and I'm open to correction) is that wood fires are quite bad in terms of contributing to air quality pollution?

ncoen

Kaizer Sosa wrote: »

My understanding (and I'm open to correction) is that wood fires are quite bad in terms of contributing to air quality pollution?

Ah poop! I'll do some more research before we take the plunge so. Cheers.

2lazytogetup

Darc19 wrote: »

Unless you have expertise in the area, it's best not to make medical suggestions. Maybe an opinion, but to say people "need" to stay indoors is over the top.

Most fires will be burning "low smoke" fuels. They still give off smoke, but not nearly as harmful as smoky coal.

That argument is used by pro fossil fuel lobby groups. They discredit anyone speaking up on the basis that they have no expertise or authority to criticise.

Darc19

2lazytogetup wrote: »

That argument is used by pro fossil fuel lobby groups. They discredit anyone speaking up on the basis that they have no expertise or authority to criticise.

But what is your expertise that allows you to tell people not to go out.

Scaremongering bs is used by people who know feck all.

I much prefer to believe verified scientific information than some scaremongering person online.

2lazytogetup

Darc19 wrote: »

But what is your expertise that allows you to tell people not to go out.

Scaremongering bs is used by people who know feck all.

I much prefer to believe verified scientific information than some scaremongering person online.

the research is there online if you want to read. in the last couple of months a person was found to have died from air pollution in Lewisham, London. And that was a direct cause. What about the indirect causes, dementia, heart disease. And im talking reputable sources on the internet, not conspiracy ones like the anti-vaxers do.

If you walk around Naas (try and keep this on topic to Naas) and can feel the heavy smoke in the air, you need to use common sense and think this cant be good for me. And im not the only person noticing it, a few people posted recent posts about it. hence the reason for this discussion.

Your use of bad language is getting very inappropriate, and i wonder why you feel so passionately about this???

im free to give some advice. if i tell a mate not to smoke a cigarette as its bad for their health, i wouldnt expect them to curse me and say that i shouldnt give advice as im not a doctor. Or if they are thinking of putting money into a ponzi scheme, and i advise them not to, they shouldnt curse me and say im not a financial advisor.

vincenzolorenzo

2lazytogetup wrote: »

That argument is used by pro fossil fuel lobby groups. They discredit anyone speaking up on the basis that they have no expertise or authority to criticise.

Burning wood is as close to carbon neutral as you can get but burning any kind of solid fuel puts out significantly more other harmful pollutants such as NOx, Carbon Monoxide, Particulate Matter than either oil or gas. So better from climate change point of view, significantly worse from public health

GavMan

ncoen wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good window and door crowd? Looking to get uPVC windows and french doors installed in property we just moved into. Anyone you've used personally or that a friend has.

Coldest time of year and the windows here are a tad draughty. Could do with updating.

2nd to a previous posted for Emerald Windows in Caragh. Be advised though, whoever you go with you are in for about a 4 month wait for installation. Manufacturing is really badly hit with Covid

ncoen

ncoen wrote: »

Ah ok! Cheers Bogwoppit (some name) ;-)

We're actually planning on replacing our open fireplace with a wood burning stove which I believe are virtually carbon neutral. Nice to put the fire on, but even nice to not impact others health.

Wood burring is indeed considered carbon neutral, once the fuel is from a sustainable supply.
That doesn't at all mean it's not adversely impacting peoples health.

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Pretty much all of them just pump out steam.

Surely that's not the case. Any industrial facility with a boiler isn't pumping out steam, they generate it on demand. Likely the gas or oil burning emissions are what is being referred to

Could be from cooling towers too of course.

Tomrota

Darc19 wrote: »

But what is your expertise that allows you to tell people not to go out.

Scaremongering bs is used by people who know feck all.

I much prefer to believe verified scientific information than some scaremongering person online.

My lungs were physically hurting after such dense pollution on the sallins road/monread heights area during my walk. It’s usually really bad but never that bad. It was mostly coming from houses but the high level of diesel emissions on that road is a disgrace. And not a bus in sight. This town is far too car reliant.

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

Tomrota

Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

That doesn’t change the disgusting levels of pollution in the area compared to Bray or Citywest.

Valhallapt

Tomrota wrote: »

And not a bus in sight. This town is far too car reliant.

Naas is a disaster zone for car reliance, multiple causes, and you'll find differing views on how to resolve it here.

I think the problem is Naas is caught between two stools, for many its the county town and they work, shop, socialise and live in Naas, for many others it is a commuter zone, they work shop and socialise in Dublin so they just sleep in Naas. Naas has terrible local transport services. Naas has terrible commuter transport services. Layer on top of this some profoundly bad planning decisions.

scwazrh

Monread area of Naas has had very bad air for a good few years now though , it’s not new.Between the dog food and other food factory’s smell during warm weather , the kerdiffstown dump smell was there for a couple of years as well and once the cold weather hits every second house is burning fossil fuels and stinking up the area.
That side of Naas is overdeveloped and air pollution , traffic problems , anti social behaviour is all to be expected.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

Tomrota wrote: »

That doesn’t change the disgusting levels of pollution in the area compared to Bray or Citywest.

I'm not trying to change the levels of pollution, that's beyond my control. I was merely explaining that it's little to do with vehicular emissions.

2lazytogetup

Tomrota wrote: »

My lungs were physically hurting after such dense pollution on the sallins road/monread heights area during my walk. It’s usually really bad but never that bad. It was mostly coming from houses but the high level of diesel emissions on that road is a disgrace. And not a bus in sight. This town is far too car reliant.

Well said.

I'd say air pollution will be on government's main agenda after this covid thing. I can't remember it being this bad 20 years ago.

2lazytogetup

Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

Good point. I hear more pollution from car tyres and car brakes than from exhaust. But isn't that just newer cars.

peter_dublin

I think it's simplier than that. There is someone in the Monread Heights area who is burning absolute filth in their chimney and has been for a long time, either they're heading out to buy smokey coal, burning wet wood or just general rubbish it's always from the area around Monread Heights/ Ashgrove where it is worse.

It's turf.
Look in the gardens around there and you'll see a pile of it under a tarp.

ncoen

scwazrh wrote: »

Monread area of Naas has had very bad air for a good few years now though , it’s not new.Between the dog food and other food factory’s smell during warm weather , the kerdiffstown dump smell was there for a couple of years as well and once the cold weather hits every second house is burning fossil fuels and stinking up the area.
That side of Naas is overdeveloped and air pollution , traffic problems , anti social behaviour is all to be expected.

Wow pretty grim reading for someone who just bought in the Monread side of Naas... is it really all that bad? pollution, traffic and anti social behaviour.

ncoen

Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

So is it steam or smoke being emitted from these industrial chimneys? Has this always been the case? Either way, you say this isnt the issue with air quality, its the homes not the businesses.

coffeepls

ncoen wrote: »

Wow pretty grim reading for someone who just bought in the Monread side of Naas... is it really all that bad? pollution, traffic and anti social behaviour.

I walk through Monread nearly every day. I don’t know what they’re talking about. I wish I’d a house in monread! It always seems like a lovely area to me. That’s my opinion from what I can see anyway. Congratulations on your purchase.

Valhallapt

coffeepls wrote: »

I walk through Monread nearly every day. I don’t know what they’re talking about.

I walk around that area maybe once or twice a week and I’ve not noticed it either, so I guess it someone burning crap every now and again, not a case of every second house burning Smokey coal, that’s for sure.

adgib

I also live in Monread area for over 20 years, and don't see any anti social behaviour

vincenzolorenzo

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Well said.

I'd say air pollution will be on government's main agenda after this covid thing. I can't remember it being this bad 20 years ago.

Not true. Air quality is a lot better today compared to 20 years ago, see link below. What's happening in Monread at the moment sounds like a particularly bad localised incident. Have you tried walking in other areas of the town to see how they compare? It may well be that someone is burning poor fuel in a particular house. Road traffic is higher, but emissions per vehicle is a fraction of what it used to be. Solid fuel fires, especially open fires, are the biggest contributor to local poor air quality

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-eii/eii19/air/