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Bass Reeves

Icelandicseige wrote: »

Is there many people finishing Fr bulls at 16-18 months or is waste of time? What weight is possible to get them to?

No point in finishing Fr bulls at 16-18 months you are in the July-August period. Too long a winter and they go stale. Some lads killthem at 20/21 months October to December and more let them to 23 months post Christmas. I used to do them kill them pre/post Christmas. I used to buy as weanlings, graze all summer(very hard on land)3kgs ration August/September and house October 1st. Feed 8kgs of ration and silage and slaughter as they would come fit. They used to be handy weanlings 230/260kgs in October/November. They would kill 350ishkgs and at the time the base was always at or around 4/kg. Now the base is too variable and trying to avoid nitrates is a battle as well.

Limestone Cowboy

Count Mondego wrote: »

Some mental weanling prices in Gort tonight. 330-350kg bulls going for up around 930-950. Doesn't add up looking at some of the last 20 posts on this thread.

Heard from a few it was very dear at the show sale too. Were they chx?

Mooooo

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No point in finishing Fr bulls at 16-18 months you are in the July-August period. Too long a winter and they go stale. Some lads killthem at 20/21 months October to December and more let them to 23 months post Christmas. I used to do them kill them pre/post Christmas. I used to buy as weanlings, graze all summer(very hard on land)3kgs ration August/September and house October 1st. Feed 8kgs of ration and silage and slaughter as they would come fit. They used to be handy weanlings 230/260kgs in October/November. They would kill 350ishkgs and at the time the base was always at or around 4/kg. Now the base is too variable and trying to avoid nitrates is a battle as well.

Autumn born fr prob a better option for that system if they can be got. Make better use of grass the first year

Bass Reeves

Mooooo wrote: »

Autumn born fr prob a better option for that system if they can be got. Make better use of grass the first year

Ya but you would be killing them at or pre June at 20 months

patsy_mccabe

Count Mondego wrote: »

Some mental weanling prices in Gort tonight. 330-350kg bulls going for up around 930-950. Doesn't add up looking at some of the last 20 posts on this thread.

Those special weanling sales always mad dear. Would it be exporters putting quick loads together of the fancy lots?

Limestone Cowboy

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Those special weanling sales always mad dear. Would it be exporters putting quick loads together of the fancy lots?

From what I see locally it's farmers that normally drive it on. The man from dans the best buyer of all if you had a calf good enough for him.

Mac Taylor

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Those special weanling sales always mad dear. Would it be exporters putting quick loads together of the fancy lots?

The bulls are holding their own, but the heifers were very poor, to be throughtful you would want to be getting that for them.

Reggie.

Mac Taylor wrote: »

The bulls are holding their own, but the heifers were very poor, to be throughtful you would want to be getting that for them.

Same yesterday. Why are the heifers such a bad trade I wonder?

Mac Taylor

Reggie. wrote: »

Same yesterday. Why are the heifers such a bad trade I wonder?

Don’t know hopefully someone here will be able to explain. You got good prices for what in fairness ware could cattle, but you would not get the color of it in Gort if you had them there. Only ch and good lm’s followed by exceptional sims sell well.

A neighbor of mine has aax cows crossed with lm bull and he struggles every year to sell what are very good weanlings. He needs to finish them but is not set up for that game.

Count Mondego

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Heard from a few it was very dear at the show sale too. Were they chx?

No, one was a black Limousin would you believe and the other a red one.

Bass Reeves

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

From what I see locally it's farmers that normally drive it on. The man from dans the best buyer of all if you had a calf good enough for him.

It is often some farmers. Some lads will go through the pens pick out a few lots(as advised by Teagasc and the IFJ). Then they will only bid on these lots. Lads around the ring will drive them. There is a unwritten code that who ever come in on a tangler that he drive's the lad bidding from the seats to what ever are the top prices being paid. This is often 150-200 above the general run.

Is that lad from dans the one who goes out to see the same calf 3-4 time and will go to 3.5/kg on some of them. Carries lots of them to 500kgs DW.

patsy_mccabe

DANS ???? Scrathing my head on that one.

Limestone Cowboy

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

DANS ???? Scrathing my head on that one.

Clares leading farm supply store.

Pidae.m

Big sale of weanlings in skibbereen yesterday and twas on fire.

Pidae.m

Red ribbon today macroom 455kg 1280...'magine how much more he'd a made if he was a charolais

Butcher Boy

Pidae.m wrote: »

Red ribbon today macroom 455kg 1280...'magine how much more he'd a made if he was a charolais

was it noel sweeney that was judging there he would always go for the BB anyway. i was in the heifer ring so did not see much else good trade i taught.

Pidae.m

Butcher Boy wrote: »

was it noel sweeney that was judging there he would always go for the BB anyway. i was in the heifer ring so did not see much else good trade i taught.

Neighbour sold heifers not too dear there. About 360kg 705. Black lm with one red lm in the bunch. He'd them in the pen at 7 this morning so they'd have to weight jack sh1t. He sold aa 320 420 they were poor cattle...

Pidae.m

Pidae.m wrote: »

Neighbour sold heifers not too dear there. About 360kg 705. Black lm with one red lm in the bunch. He'd them in the pen at 7 this morning so they'd have to weight jack sh1t. He sold aa 320 420 they were poor cattle...

They were spring 17 born

Butcher Boy

Pidae.m wrote: »

They were spring 17 born

what ring was that in?

bogman_bass

Talking to a lad today. Aparently good weanlings struggled to make €2/kg in Delvin last night

Pidae.m

Butcher Boy wrote: »

what ring was that in?

Not the Weanling heifer ring the old heifer ring

patsy_mccabe

Popped into Ennis mart today. Sample prices Weanling bull, all 2018.

april CH 305kg €885
april CH 305kg €720
march LM 305kg €670
april CH 310kg €760
april CH 320kg €750
april CH 265kg €780
april CH 245kg €680
march lm 300kg €650
march CH 300kg €930
jan CH 385kg €975
feb CH 305kg €760
april lm 266kg €780
march CH 320kg €1080
march lm 320kg €850

Last calf was a super one. Left after that.
Prices not very good and some of these were exceptional cattle. Char were heavy boned white types.

Cavanjack

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Popped into Ennis mart today. Sample prices Weanling bull, all 2018.

april CH 305kg €885
april CH 305kg €720
march LM 305kg €670
april CH 310kg €760
april CH 320kg €750
april CH 265kg €780
april CH 245kg €680
march lm 300kg €650
march CH 300kg €930
jan CH 385kg €975
feb CH 305kg €760
april lm 266kg €780
march CH 320kg €1080
march lm 320kg €850

Last calf was a super one. Left after that.
Prices not very good and some of these were exceptional cattle. Char were heavy boned white types.

Many over 350kg? What were they making?

patsy_mccabe

Cavanjack wrote: »

Many over 350kg? What were they making?

Didn't see that many. Most seemed to be march/april. Took a really exceptional one to go over €1000.

leoch

See any around tbe 500kg patsy wat we're they making

dh1985

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Popped into Ennis mart today. Sample prices Weanling bull, all 2018.

april CH 305kg €885
april CH 305kg €720
march LM 305kg €670
april CH 310kg €760
april CH 320kg €750
april CH 265kg €780
april CH 245kg €680
march lm 300kg €650
march CH 300kg €930
jan CH 385kg €975
feb CH 305kg €760
april lm 266kg €780
march CH 320kg €1080
march lm 320kg €850

Last calf was a super one. Left after that.
Prices not very good and some of these were exceptional cattle. Char were heavy boned white types.

Second last lad was a good price. Would have thought they were light for their ages in general though.

patsy_mccabe

Those were a straight run of what I saw. Didn't leave out any. Very easy go to mart and only remember the good ones.
Thought that the usual good cattle from the burren areas were propably down in weights due to the drought hitting hard there. Maybe?????

patsy_mccabe

leoch wrote: »

See any around tbe 500kg patsy wat we're they making

You were talking 2017 bullocks at that weight. Saw only a few. 1100 or thereabouts.

dh1985

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Those were a straight run of what I saw. Didn't leave out any. Very easy go to mart and only remember the good ones.
Thought that the usual good cattle from the burren areas were propably down in weights due to the drought hitting hard there. Maybe?????

Could be the case alright. Would think that ground would have gotten a right scorching this year, no more than a mans pocket also

Who2

dh1985 wrote: »

Second last lad was a good price. Would have thought they were light for their ages in general though.

if they are averaged out atmid march calves and around 300 kg theyd have done something around 1.3-1.4 kg per day. id be happy enough with those weights, its not like its a year that youd be inclined to horse a heap of meal into them.

Muckit

Bob Charles alway maintained to "Buy the animal, not the weight."

dh1985

Who2 wrote: »

if they are averaged out atmid march calves and around 300 kg theyd have done something around 1.3-1.4 kg per day. id be happy enough with those weights, its not like its a year that youd be inclined to horse a heap of meal into them.

I dont know but time will tell. In a bad year a good animal will hold his own and selling bulls at 300kg at 750-800 euro wont leave alot oit of them. Would think good mid march weanling bulls should be tipping 400kg this time of year

patsy_mccabe

Muckit wrote: »

Bob Charles alway maintained to "Buy the animal, not the weight."

Whatever happened him? His account just stopped posting.
Saw a few salers go tru today making around the 280kg and €650 mark. Would have been tempted by them if I was buying. Also the odd black limousin. I think the bargain tempts everyone.

moll3

is he still here ??

patsy_mccabe

dh1985 wrote: »

I dont know but time will tell. In a bad year a good animal will hold his own and selling bulls at 300kg at 750-800 euro wont leave alot oit of them. Would think good mid march weanling bulls should be tipping 400kg this time of year

That's 400kg over 7 months. Close to 2 kg per day. That's asking a lot.

Reggie.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Whatever happened him? His account just stopped posting.
Saw a few salers go tru today making around the 280kg and €650 mark. Would have been tempted by them if I was buying. Also the odd black limousin. I think the bargain tempts everyone.

I think muckit kidnapped him as he's the only one that still quotes him

Hard Knocks

Reggie. wrote: »

I think muckit kidnapped him as he's the only one that still quotes him

Pudsey wasn’t too bad either

Danzy

I had a dream that I did my Green Cert with Farmer Pudsey, Base Price, Bass Reeves and Bob Charles as my lectures.

Certainly picked up a lot from those 4.

Westernrock

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

That's 400kg over 7 months. Close to 2 kg per day. That's asking a lot.

Would most of these calves not be 50kg at birth anyway? So 1.6/1.7 to hit 400kg now, still asking a fair bit for the year that’s in it but could be done

Reggie.

Danzy wrote: »

I had a dream that I did my Green Cert with Farmer Pudsey, Base Price, Bass Reeves and Bob Charles as my lectures.

Certainly picked up a lot from those 4.

Ya sure it wasn't a nightmare

Who2

Westernrock wrote: »

Would most of these calves not be 50kg at birth anyway? So 1.6/1.7 to hit 400kg now, still asking a fair bit for the year that’s in it but could be done

What are lads averages on all stock, not just the bullsh1t one that does an exceptional thrive each year.
if i can get 1.4 on bulls and 1.2 on heifers im happy without stuffing them with meal.

patsy_mccabe

Danzy wrote: »

I had a dream that I did my Green Cert with Farmer Pudsey, Base Price, Bass Reeves and Bob Charles as my lectures.

Certainly picked up a lot from those 4.

Well Bass Reeves and Farmer Pudsey had a big drunken fight and Pudsey left in a huff.

charolais0153

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Well Bass Reeves and Farmer Pudsey had a big drunken fight and Pudsey left in a huff.

Footage of the fight;)
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charolais0153

Who2 wrote: »

What are lads averages on all stock, not just the bullsh1t one that does an exceptional thrive each year.
if i can get 1.4 on bulls and 1.2 on heifers im happy without stuffing them with meal.

Used avg of 45 kg as birth weight.all Bull calves done 1.34adg.up until creeping they done 1.16. Being creeped 1.79
Youngest calves had best adg.
One calf had an adg of .81 before creep and 1.92 while on creep. Had awful scours as a calf.

charolais0153

dh1985 wrote: »

I dont know but time will tell. In a bad year a good animal will hold his own and selling bulls at 300kg at 750-800 euro wont leave alot oit of them. Would think good mid march weanling bulls should be tipping 400kg this time of year

The odd one might but on average thats never going to happen

TITANIUM.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Footage of the fight;)
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Oh if I could only thank that post more then once!

dh1985

charolais0153 wrote: »

The odd one might but on average thats never going to happen

Its thd odd one here that wouldn't and i am not doing anything groundbreaking. Great data on adg between meal and no meal. Shows the benefits

Hard Knocks

dh1985 wrote: »

Its thd odd one here that wouldn't and i am not doing anything groundbreaking. Great data on adg between meal and no meal. Shows the benefits

Weighed & dosed some March calves at end of August
Assuming 40kg birth weight
SIX bull 1.44kg/day
SIX heifer 1.13kg/day
LMX heifer 1.21Kg/day
Moved bull & his mother to group of Jan born bull calves been forward grazed (meadows) with meal & weighed him 10 days later 3kg/day

grassroot1

I would find we would see averages around 1.2 at sale. These would be weaned mid Sept and sold mid Oct
We have had bulls hit 2 kg adg but they would be an exception. Those figures are across all breeds and include AI sired calves over a number of years
Cows with 50% dairy genetics will have a calf with higher ADG but an inferior conformation calf.

Dozer1

first evening sale in Kilmallock last night, heard prices were hit and miss with plenty light weanlings at handy money about.