Mart Price Tracker

Dunedin

lalababa wrote: »

WTF?? Tell me I'm wrong....
750kg@2euro =1500 at mart.
@50% kill out ...
375kg@3:50base=1312
What's going on there??

750kg x 55% kill = 412.5 x 3.50 base + 12c QA + maybe 6c bonus = €1518.

Probably lose a little between mart fees and factory stoppages but in reality a bullock at 750 live weight would be bought for further feeding (by an eternal optimism!!)

Bass Reeves

Dunedin wrote: »

750kg x 55% kill = 412.5 x 3.50 base + 12c QA + maybe 6c bonus = €1518.

Probably lose a little between mart fees and factory stoppages but in reality a bullock at 750 live weight would be bought for further feeding (by an eternal optimism!!)

I was in the mart last week and I taught finished bullocks were making more than they would on the factory. However a lot of lads that feed for 50-100 days are getting 29-30 more. They may be buying for direct to slaughter to make up loads

Dunedin

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I was in the mart last week and I taught finished bullocks were making more than they would on the factory. However a lot of lads that feed for 50-100 days are getting 29-30 more. They may be buying for direct to slaughter to make up loads

Absolutely of course that might be the case. Might be a contract seller who is getting a bit above the rest of us either but my point was that he will make pretty similar to the €1500 ring price.

Bass Reeves

Dunedin wrote: »

Absolutely of course that might be the case. Might be a contract seller who is getting a bit above the rest of us either but my point was that he will make pretty similar to the €1500 ring price.

Yes we'll finished Ch Bullocks will kill 53-56% depending on FS and grade will make in or around that. However a month ago they were making 100-150 less than factory price. I saw Friesian 630kgs with flesh on them make 1150 last week and not QA. With QA in the factory they would make 1050-1080 IMO

patsy_mccabe

Normally when mart prices are higher than factories, certain people expect a price rise soon.

Bass Reeves

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Normally when mart prices are higher than factories, certain people expect a price rise soon.

I think the strike may have upset the equilibrium. An agent hinted the same It was his opinion if they had stopped at 3.6/kg cattle would have kept on coming and no strike. They killed 4-6 weeks of there own cattle. Along with that cattle were going to get tight anyway. After the strike some farmers held hoping for a price rise so I hey had to use more feedlot cattle to keep line moving. They killed nearly 40k the week after the strike. I would not be surprised to see prices hitting 3.7 by end of September. If prices go up they will climb 20-30 cent in 2-3 weeks.

dzer2

If prices start to rise lads should hold off until they hit 4 euro.

patsy_mccabe

If some bit of certainty comes to Brexit, a sterling price rise will help things too.

White Clover

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

If some bit of certainty comes to Brexit, a sterling price rise will help things too.

Sterling has strengthened in the last week. We won't be told about that tho!

Dunedin

dzer2 wrote: »

If prices start to rise lads should hold off until they hit 4 euro.

Agree but most of us will probably have lost a bit of interest by then and even if we’re still interested, I doubt the nursing home will let us out.

bogman_bass

Bass Reeves wrote: »

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Normally when mart prices are higher than factories, certain people expect a price rise soon.

I think the strike may have upset the equilibrium. An agent hinted the same It was his opinion if they had stopped at 3.6/kg cattle would have kept on coming and no strike. They killed 4-6 weeks of there own cattle. Along with that cattle were going to get tight anyway. After the strike some farmers held hoping for a price rise so I hey had to use more feedlot cattle to keep line moving. They killed nearly 40k the week after the strike. I would not be surprised to see prices hitting 3.7 by end of September. If prices go up they will climb 20-30 cent in 2-3 weeks.

God Love your optimism Bass!

When have you ever seen price rise this time of year?

Bass Reeves

bogman_bass wrote: »

God Love your optimism Bass!

When have you ever seen price rise this time of year?

Twice about 6-10 years ago. Both times had a few for sale, last time got 3.7/ flat for Friesian bullocks base was 3.7 at the time weather was excellent at the time , time before than something similar. For the last 5-6 years kill during the autumn gas remained very strong. If numbers drop prices will rise simple as that.

bogman_bass

I hope you’re right!

Cavanjack

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Twice about 6-10 years ago. Both times had a few for sale, last time got 3.7/ flat for Friesian bullocks base was 3.7 at the time weather was excellent at the time , time before than something similar. For the last 5-6 years kill during the autumn gas remained very strong. If numbers drop prices will rise simple as that.

I think in 2017 prices strengthened going into November also.

grange mac

Think factories have succeeded in dropping prices of store's, sold some and took my pain at 1.90 to 2.25 in skibb. Lighter made more money makes no sence. Weanlngs unbelievable trade, upto 3.30 "for fancy white charalois and same in macroom yest. Something v wrong when animals being sold will only make 200 more than animals a year older.
Clearly weaning trade not affected yet......in this side country.

niallf

Anyone know what decent 6 month old British Friesian bulls would be making in the mart at the moment?

Bass Reeves

niallf wrote: »

Anyone know what decent 6 month old British Friesian bulls would be making in the mart at the moment?

euro/kg I say

mahoney_j

niallf wrote: »

Anyone know what decent 6 month old British Friesian bulls would be making in the mart at the moment?

1/1.20 kg max

cam1452

Any idea what 19 months good square British fresians bulls 560kg. Are making

Grueller

cam1452 wrote: »

Any idea what 19 months good square British fresians bulls 560kg. Are making

Suckler bred square cattle are at €1.90 a kilo around here. €1.50 to €1.65 a kilo is my guess but that's only a guess.

Bass Reeves

cam1452 wrote: »

Any idea what 19 months good square British fresians bulls 560kg. Are making

Grueller wrote: »

Suckler bred square cattle are at €1.90 a kilo around here. €1.50 to €1.65 a kilo is my guess but that's only a guess.

Not a hope, have not seen them selling as every lad is holding them. Last winter they made 3-3.3/kg DW. At present accordingly to the FJ they are making 3.2-3.3 in the factory. They have to be finished which means for them housing and silage and ration or ration and straw, It will cost more to feed them than They put on in weight at present prices.

Some of the lighter ones sub 450 kgs are being squeezed. Unless you have a contract there is no point finishing them. Yes you can gamble but a lot of farmers are fed up gambling. I can already hear the whispers ''this is the year to finish cattle''

With present and last winter prices taking an optimistic outlook of 3.5/kg at Christmas and that is very optimistic,giving the feeder 100 euro margin the price would be 1.25/kg.

dohc turbo2

Was in castleisland Monday and prices varied but 2 main buyers were poling each other mad , a black lm bull now in fairness he was nice 420 kg made 1050 , red lm similar weight we’re making around 900 , there was a smashing sim bull 350 kg went for 625 ,

Panch18

Prices back 100 a head in the last week or so

Seems the lads protesting who thought the mart price would go up because of the protests are sadly mistaken

Danzy

Panch18 wrote: »

Prices back 100 a head in the last week or so

Seems the lads protesting who thought the mart price would go up because of the protests are sadly mistaken

They were probably just 2 lads and one of them doesn't even own cattle though.

FarmerBrowne

Saw a report on Castlerea yesterday, farmers need their heads examined if it was them that were paying the prices for the weinlings quoted, I hope for their own sake it was exporters because otherwise they are holding onto cattle for the next year at a loss from day 1. When will they learn.

patsy_mccabe

Saw some char weanlings selling today in Ennis
Qty WEight Price DOB
2 478kg 850 ....aug 18
2 410 880 ....dec 18
1 320 890 ....feb 19
1 360 980 ....feb 19

Explain those prices.........

Cavanjack

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Saw some char weanlings selling today in Ennis
Qty WEight Price DOB
2 478kg 850 ....aug 18
2 410 880 ....dec 18
1 320 890 ....feb 19
1 360 980 ....feb 19

Explain those prices.........

Exporters, bfp, old age pension, habit and lunacy

tellmeabit

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Saw some char weanlings selling today in Ennis
Qty WEight Price DOB
2 478kg 850 ....aug 18
2 410 880 ....dec 18
1 320 890 ....feb 19
1 360 980 ....feb 19

Explain those prices.........

Were they similar shape class?
Hard to follow at the moment

Hard Knocks

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Saw some char weanlings selling today in Ennis
Qty WEight Price DOB
2 478kg 850 ....aug 18
2 410 880 ....dec 18
1 320 890 ....feb 19
1 360 980 ....feb 19

Explain those prices.........

The exporter is looking for the call 300-350kg
Heavy bulls have taken a hit
Did I see somewhere that vistar are looking 500kg+ for export?

patsy_mccabe

tellmeabit wrote: »

Were they similar shape class?
Hard to follow at the moment

Not that much of a quality difference, to explain the price difference IYKWIM.

High bike

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Not that much of a quality difference, to explain the price difference IYKWIM.

the lighter ones are doing ok so?

charolais0153

Have some heavy good charolais bulls, I'm thinking you'd be aswell off squeezing them rather than letting them go cheap, young charolais bullocks 550kg plus be dearer in May..... An awful long time to keep them though...

patsy_mccabe

High bike wrote: »

the lighter ones are doing ok so?

Ya, I have a few here that age and weight (I know thanks to BEEP). Usually put on meal from now to early Nov. Looks likd I'd be better to get them gone sooner than later.

High bike

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, I have a few here that age and weight (I know thanks to BEEP). Usually put on meal from now to early Nov. Looks likd I'd be better to get them gone sooner than later.

prob wouldn’t pay to feed them this year

Albert Johnson

The good quality farmers calf 250-350kg is every bit as dear as any year imo (either side of €2.50 a kilo). A neighbor sold 4 CHx and LMx spring 19 born weanlings last week, 320kg averaged €840 each, the best quality lad was 315kg @ €900. It's the heavier or plainer calf that's taking the hit, anything over 400kg, agey or plain isn't wanted full stop and is struggling to break the €2 a kilo. The exporters were a help the last few weeks for suitable stock but I'm told there full up atm so it remains to be seem how the trade reacts this week. Another man sold a bundle of bulls 350-450kg the same night, all CHx but mixed quality. They made from €780-900 each at a range of weights, the heavier calf is definitely not paying at the current time. He had one smasher of a CHx bull 500kg @ €1005, the creep feeder should only be providing shelter from the rain this back end imo.

K9

Albert Johnson wrote: »

The good quality farmers calf 250-350kg is every bit as dear as any year imo (either side of €2.50 a kilo). A neighbor sold 4 CHx and LMx spring 19 born weanlings last week, 320kg averaged €840 each, the best quality lad was 315kg @ €900. It's the heavier or plainer calf that's taking the hit, anything over 400kg, agey or plain isn't wanted full stop and is struggling to break the €2 a kilo. The exporters were a help the last few weeks for suitable stock but I'm told there full up atm so it remains to be seem how the trade reacts this week. Another man sold a bundle of bulls 350-450kg the same night, all CHx but mixed quality. They made from €780-900 each at a range of weights, the heavier calf is definitely not paying at the current time. He had one smasher of a CHx bull 500kg @ €1005, the creep feeder should only be providing shelter from the rain this back end imo.

Any increase in feedlot activity buying store cattle

Albert Johnson

K9 wrote: »

Any increase in feedlot activity buying store cattle

Not that I've seen but then I don't see that much forward stores sold being honest, it's more weanlings/runners and cows. I'm told the bullock trade is worsening by the day, there's 700 odd heifers for Elphin tomorrow so may call in for a look in the evening. The cow trade is about the steadiest market atm, there's good demand for fleshed and store cows of all types and there starting to become plentiful.

Cavanjack

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Not that I've seen but then I don't see that much forward stores sold being honest, it's more weanlings/runners and cows. I'm told the bullock trade is worsening by the day, there's 700 odd heifers for Elphin tomorrow so may call in for a look in the evening. The cow trade is about the steadiest market atm, there's good demand for fleshed and store cows of all types and there starting to become plentiful.

If lads can’t get finished cattle away then they can’t buy in. Also with weather worsening there is no point being over stocked

grange mac

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Saw some char weanlings selling today in Ennis
Qty WEight Price DOB
2 478kg 850 ....aug 18
2 410 880 ....dec 18
1 320 890 ....feb 19
1 360 980 ....feb 19

Explain those prices.........

Buyers left their house & forgot to take tablets!! Cuckoo prices down west cork one man buying everything for the boat

patsy_mccabe

grange mac wrote: »

Buyers left their house & forgot to take tablets!! Cuckoo prices down west cork one man buying everything for the boat

Well, if he's buying for the boat, then they're hardly cuckoo prices. Unless he's a young guy starting out spending other people's money.

wrangler

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Well, if he's buying for the boat, then they're hardly cuckoo prices. Unless he's a young guy starting out spending other people's money.

Exporters only come if there's value,
I was in a farmers Coop in france a few years back, A beef factory and an assembly depot for exporting in to italy, even had a little ambulance to collect casualty cattle.
Because of the heat they transported cattle only at night to the depot, there must have been ten lorries between the weanlings and the factory.
Another fleet then bringing the weanling overnight to Italy.
It's madness it this country to be depending on one outlet into a commodity market for 80% of our cattle

grassroot1

Albert Johnson wrote: »

The good quality farmers calf 250-350kg is every bit as dear as any year imo (either side of €2.50 a kilo). A neighbor sold 4 CHx and LMx spring 19 born weanlings last week, 320kg averaged €840 each, the best quality lad was 315kg @ €900. It's the heavier or plainer calf that's taking the hit, anything over 400kg, agey or plain isn't wanted full stop and is struggling to break the €2 a kilo. The exporters were a help the last few weeks for suitable stock but I'm told there full up atm so it remains to be seem how the trade reacts this week. Another man sold a bundle of bulls 350-450kg the same night, all CHx but mixed quality. They made from €780-900 each at a range of weights, the heavier calf is definitely not paying at the current time. He had one smasher of a CHx bull 500kg @ €1005, the creep feeder should only be providing shelter from the rain this back end imo.

The 350 kg calf today is 400kg inlate october so why discount the heavier weanling today? actually dont answer that farmers is the answer

blue5000

grassroot1 wrote: »

The 350 kg calf today is 400kg inlate october so why discount the heavier weanling today? actually dont answer that farmers is the answer

The lighter calf can be castrated. The heavier bulls are limited to one type of buyer, a finisher u16 mths.

milligan2

I wonder who is buying the heavy weanlings now that u16 beef is finished?
There is still trade for them at 2€ a kilo.
Have a few 450 kg lads here,could I castrate them at that weight?they are December 18

Base price

milligan2 wrote: »

I wonder who is buying the heavy weanlings now that u16 beef is finished?
There is still trade for them at 2€ a kilo.
Have a few 450 kg lads here,could I castrate them at that weight?they are December 18

Best advice is to talk to your Vet as he/she is the only person that can legally do so.

Bass Reeves

milligan2 wrote: »

I wonder who is buying the heavy weanlings now that u16 beef is finished?
There is still trade for them at 2€ a kilo.
Have a few 450 kg lads here,could I castrate them at that weight?they are December 18

Yes

Albert Johnson

grassroot1 wrote: »

The 350 kg calf today is 400kg inlate october so why discount the heavier weanling today? actually dont answer that farmers is the answer

Blue beat me to it but the squeezing the heavier calf compared to the lighter lad isn't as straight forward amongst other issues. Secondly the men selling forward stores circa 600kg @ €1200 may only be prepared to pay €800 for a calf to replace them regardless of the weight of the calf. Finally the lighter calf is a long-term preposition and the buyer may hope to have weathered the current storm by the time sale time comes around.

Dozer1

called to gortalea for awhile this evening, only saw runners sale, what a rob...
Same as Patsy,
245kg CH bull plain enough é745
315kg blk LM bull well shaped é815
200kg CH plain bull é715

2 month old HE heifer calf é315

usual suspects buying, didn't stay for the weanling as I expected they would be a poorer trade, think mine will be sold at 300kg mark this year

amacca

200 kg charolais 715?????


what, seriously

High bike

There’s a suckler show and sale there tomorrow.Was going to go but can’t make it now