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Limestone Cowboy

GNWoodd wrote: »

Why would any auctioneer accept a bid that was that low ?

Must have been Matthew

DukeCaboom

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Must have been Matthew

patsy_mccabe

What marts could do now is open the bidding themselves online without anyone knowing. This would speed things up big time for them.

Or even a seller could put an opening reserve himself if he wished to do so. Nothing wrong with it. Seller would have to be realistic though. :rolleyes:

patsy_mccabe

GNWoodd wrote: »

Why would any auctioneer accept a bid that was that low ?

Here it is. It does sound like an opening bid of €1100.

https://www.livestock-live.com/MartMemberAccess/Market/MartCatalogue?Mart=ENNIS&Op=detail&SearchAuctionDayID=0&SearchAuctionID=163526

patsy_mccabe

€2040 for a 1025kg char cow;

https://www.livestock-live.com/MartMemberAccess/Market/MartCatalogue?Mart=ENNIS&Op=detail&SearchAuctionDayID=0&SearchAuctionID=163240

Limestone Cowboy

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Here it is. It does sound like an opening bid of 1100.

https://www.livestock-live.com/MartMemberAccess/Market/MartCatalogue?Mart=ENNIS&Op=detail&SearchAuctionDayID=0&SearchAuctionID=163526

Nelan puts the rest of them to shame. Don't know how he's coping without all the phantom bids though.

patsy_mccabe

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Nelan puts the rest of them to shame. Don't know how he's coping without all the phantom bids though.

He sounds a lot clearer on-line too.

DBK1

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Think it finished up near 2 am. Friend had a lovely roan lm heifer. March 20 290kg €1200.

I bought some in it last night, there was some super quality stock there. The last animal was sold at 2.25 am and the sale started just after 5pm. A serious amount of stock went through and I’d say well over 90% was sold. Although as CavanJack said above the value is gone with the online sales now. You’d always pick out a few at good value, maybe a few good r grades at 300 kgs for €550 to €600 and it would help to balance out a few dearer ones over a load but that’s all gone now. The lad at home online will bid away for the value ones too and eliminate them. It’s all good news for the farmer selling but another hit to the finisher. We’ll just have to hope Larry will find a way of giving us a few more scraps from the top table!!

charolais0153

2 heifers made 1410, 257 kg in ennis

Danzy

charolais0153 wrote: »

2 heifers made 1410, 257 kg in ennis

Where to begin?

Albert Johnson

ruwithme wrote: »

What's the story with lads walking around marts with phones whilst the sale is on &their viewing the online sale on phone and them in the same ring??????

These fellas are usually always moving around and not hiding this.

The mart there watching online might not be the same one there in attendance at. I see several lad's standing ringside in one town and watching another online. The advent of online bidding has allowed lads to be doing business in multiple marts at once. It's also made polling the competition easier due to the fact you can stay anonymous. Before this you had to stand around the ring and try to hide the fact you were driving someone else on, now you can head off down the yard and still poll him in secret.

As for Patsy's suggestion of the mart opening the cattle online it's something most auctioneers would have been doing all along. Any worthwhile auctioneer knows what a beast is worth and shouldn't be opening them more than a hundred or 2 below this figure. All they'd be doing is making more work for themselves and stretching out the day. Secondly they'd have a pain in there ribs from the mart manager standing behind them prodding them to poll on another bit. If you were 100% reliant on genuine bids it would be a slow process to sell a yard of stock. Any fool can make sales when there's multiple interested buyer's but it takes an auctioneer to sell when your down to one single client.

Base price

Dunedin wrote: »

Anyone see any prices for good quality springers lately. Say limo or Simmental and due to calve in next few months.

I haven't but you maybe interested in a sale in Carnaross next Tuesday of 27 in calf Sim heifers.
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/premium-simmental-incalf-sale/25784538

Danzy

What are squarish aax heifers, march 19, 460 to 480kgs roughly making.


Thinking 880 to 900.

Base price

Danzy wrote: »

What are squarish aax heifers, march 19, 460 to 480kgs roughly making.


Thinking 880 to 900.

I saw a few of that type online last week in Carrigallen and they were making 1.87 to 1.95.

minerleague

Base price wrote: »

I haven't but you maybe interested in a sale in Carnaross next Tuesday of 27 in calf Sim heifers.
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/premium-simmental-incalf-sale/25784538

Nice cattle no doubt but cost a fortune to keep for the year, sink a bit here too

Dunedin

Base price wrote: »

I haven't but you maybe interested in a sale in Carnaross next Tuesday of 27 in calf Sim heifers.
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/premium-simmental-incalf-sale/25784538

Quality stock alright. I’ll keep an eye on line for them.

orm0nd

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Must have been Matthew

BB 485 kgs

Matt " Give me aaahh what will we say 950?? What' that 1300 ?? right "

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Nelan puts the rest of them to shame. Don't know how he's coping without all the phantom bids though.

I'd rank him as one of the top auctioneers in Ireland from a seller's point of view.

saying that from having bought and sold with him

patsy_mccabe

I was selling a young breeding bull in Ennis last year and I said to Matthew - "He's a grand quiet lad". He looks at me and goes "Like yourself".

memorystick

What are 400kg Fr or Hrx bullocks making?

T0001

One of the things I'm finding very interesting with online marts is the conversations between auctioneer and seller, particularly dealers.

Was watching today as a dealer was telling the auctioneer what to start at and work up to, and he had the phone there to bid online too. Whole pen like that, and he's a regular seller at the mart so it's going on every week. I thought it was very amusing.

patsy_mccabe

You can also hear who buys the cattle. You cant hear that most of the time ringside. You can bet that dealers are puffing their own cattle when selling. They just need another herd number.
I take it the software doesn't allow you to bid on your own cattle.

T0001

I'm not sure about that actually! Worth seeing.

Loving the auctioneers saying 'Mr. Nobody' as the buyer lol

Albert Johnson

T0001 wrote: »

I'm not sure about that actually! Worth seeing.

Loving the auctioneers saying 'Mr. Nobody' as the buyer lol

One of the local auctioneers would just tell the clerk to "keep writing" when a seller had overshot the mark. I'd usually quote a price to the auctioneer, I'm not saying I'm a better judge than anyone else but I'd know what I had to get for the stock. Most of the time I'd get them sold at near enough what I'd quoted earlier on, it's no harm to put a line in the sand imo. Some lads are easy taken advantage of because they don't know the value of what there buying or selling. Afterwards when some smart so and so comes along and tells them they either gave the stock away or bought them at a rob they fall for it straight away and it's the dealer's and auctioneers fault then.

Cavanjack

Albert Johnson wrote: »

One of the local auctioneers would just tell the clerk to "keep writing" when a seller had overshot the mark. I'd usually quote a price to the auctioneer, I'm not saying I'm a better judge than anyone else but I'd know what I had to get for the stock. Most of the time I'd get them sold at near enough what I'd quoted earlier on, it's no harm to put a line in the sand imo. Some lads are easy taken advantage of because they don't know the value of what there buying or selling. Afterwards when some smart so and so comes along and tells them they either gave the stock away or bought them at a rob they fall for it straight away and it's the dealer's and auctioneers fault then.

As a buyer It’s rare if never I’ve got cheap cattle given to me due to the auctioneer not trying his hardest to get the best price for cattle. It can be a long wait when you’ve had the last bid and the auctioneer is scanning the floor for any late bidders.

patsy_mccabe

Everyone should buy and sell cattle at a mart. You'll see both sides of it then. I was beside a local at a mart one time and he giving out that cattle were too dear. I asked him if he ever thought about going suckling. 'Suckling' he roared back at me, as if to say ' are you mad?'. 😀

Albert Johnson

Cavanjack wrote: »

As a buyer It’s rare if never I’ve got cheap cattle given to me due to the auctioneer not trying his hardest to get the best price for cattle. It can be a long wait when you’ve had the last bid and the auctioneer is scanning the floor for any late bidders.

Everything is cheap until you try to buy it imo. There's one farmer in the box selling who reckons the dealer's are claiming his stock and keeping down the prices. There's another farmer on the steps buying reckons the same dealer's are polling him and making the same stock dearer. I see this going on every day of the week, who do you believe?

Bass Reeves

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Everything is cheap until you try to buy it imo. There's one farmer in the box selling who reckons the dealer's are claiming his stock and keeping down the prices. There's another farmer on the steps buying reckons the same dealer's are polling him and making the same stock dearer. I see this going on every day of the week, who do you believe?

If you are back up on the seats the dealers will poll you away if they think they will get away with it. On line will change that you see less and less really cheap cattle at present. Dealers now have a problem they can no longer control the total market. Before you had to show up at least a second day before they gave up polling you. Now they have to outbid you on line. A computer screen and over fibre is as good as ringside, Mobile phone is a bit unclear. I have bought about 15+ cattle on line at this stage. If its 3-4 I can head off that evening or following morning with the jeep and box. If it more I can get someone to deliver. When you are buying off the euro saver menu there is only so much competition

Lime Tree Farm

The animals from the farm of Johnny Lynch of Macroom Buffalo went under the hammer at 4pm, with bids placed ringside and online on MartEye.

https://www.thatsfarming.com/news/up-to-5-56-kg-for-buffalo-calves-at-thurles

patsy_mccabe

A long way from Macroom to Thurles. You'd think he stay more local.

memorystick

Fr or Hr bullocks at 400kgs. What are they making

Limestone Cowboy

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Everything is cheap until you try to buy it imo. There's one farmer in the box selling who reckons the dealer's are claiming his stock and keeping down the prices. There's another farmer on the steps buying reckons the same dealer's are polling him and making the same stock dearer. I see this going on every day of the week, who do you believe?

A bit of that does go on though, dealers normally work the lots between themselves but will give a farmer a bit of a run if they get the chance. A good auctioneer would have you bidding against yourself too if you hadn't you're head screwed on.

Bass Reeves

memorystick wrote: »

Fr or Hr bullocks at 400kgs. What are they making

Friesians 1.5-1.8/kg, Hex 2+/kg

Albert Johnson

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

A bit of that does go on though, dealers normally work the lots between themselves but will give a farmer a bit of a run if they get the chance. A good auctioneer would have you bidding against yourself too if you hadn't you're head screwed on.

I'm not arguing that it doesn't go on but it's easy enough to suss it out if you make any sort of an effort. Some lads love being the victim and will swallow the poison every time. I encounter lads every day that would be well fit to poll themselves without any dealer or auctioneer because they haven't a notion what they're at. You can be the best farmer going inside your own gate but if you can't establish what your product and inputs are worth you'll be railroaded every time.

amacca

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

The animals from the farm of Johnny Lynch of Macroom Buffalo went under the hammer at 4pm, with bids placed ringside and online on MartEye.

https://www.thatsfarming.com/news/up-to-5-56-kg-for-buffalo-calves-at-thurles

Why would you pay that much for a castrated male buffalo?....is the meat more valuable or will the animal have a much heavier carcass/killout?

its hardly novelty value and they aint going to be much use if you're getting into mozzarella production??

Danzy

amacca wrote: »

Why would you pay that much for a castrated male buffalo?....is the meat more valuable or will the animal have a much heavier carcass/killout?

its hardly novelty value and they aint going to be much use if you're getting into mozzarella production??

Novelty, pets, very very docile creatures.

patsy_mccabe

amacca wrote: »

Why would you pay that much for a castrated male buffalo?....is the meat more valuable or will the animal have a much heavier carcass/killout?

its hardly novelty value and they aint going to be much use if you're getting into mozzarella production??

Great Guard Dog too. Would you go into the field if they were inside the gate?

Dunedin

Jjameson wrote: »

They are very docile, but stubborn as hell. If they don’t want to go, they don’t go.
The only fence they won’t wreck is electric wire. Wreck drinkers, dig any wet spot into swamps,
Kill out is 50% on a well fleshed bull. Similar for bullocks or heifers. A bit less on cows. Hard to get anyplace to kill them as their skull is like armor plate, (Sun gun just hops off it)the hide is 4 time thicker than cattle and they are hard work to bone out.
The markets for the meat would have to be found for yourself.
.

On this description I think I’ll stick to the limo for another while.......🙂🙂

Lady Haywire

Can't you interbreed buffalo & regular cattle. Could be a niche product there. A uniquely bred Leitrim Limalo or Buffousin steak.

Lady Haywire

Jjameson wrote: »

No, bison will cross but water buffalo won’t.

Ah! Those must be what I'm thinking of.

Base price

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If you are back up on the seats the dealers will poll you away if they think they will get away with it. On line will change that you see less and less really cheap cattle at present. Dealers now have a problem they can no longer control the total market. Before you had to show up at least a second day before they gave up polling you. Now they have to outbid you on line. A computer screen and over fibre is as good as ringside, Mobile phone is a bit unclear. I have bought about 15+ cattle on line at this stage. If its 3-4 I can head off that evening or following morning with the jeep and box. If it more I can get someone to deliver. When you are buying off the euro saver menu there is only so much competition

We seldom bought in marts but since the marts went online we've bought in a lot of stock that way including a good number of calves. I'll admit that in the beginning a few weren't as good in the flesh as they looked on the screen but your eye gets trained into it. Various marts have different sized rings so you need to spend time watching cattle moving through them to get a gauge.

Bass Reeves

Base price wrote: »

We seldom bought in marts but since the marts went online we've bought in a lot of stock that way including a good number of calves. I'll admit that in the beginning a few weren't as good in the flesh as they looked on the screen but your eye gets trained into it. Various marts have different sized rings so you need to spend time watching cattle moving through them to get a gauge.

Ya and if you are in front of a computer screen rather than a mobile phone screen it helps as well. If you have access to good broadband sitting in front of a screen is nearly as good as being at the ringside

Base price

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Ya and if you are in front of a computer screen rather than a mobile phone screen it helps as well. If you have access to good broadband sitting in front of a screen is nearly as good as being at the ringside

If your using a laptop you can plug it into the telly and get an even better view.

It's better than spending a day at the mart cause I can view the catalogue in advance (most marts) and select potential stock that we maybe interested in. No need to stand around the ring all day waiting for them to come in. Easier to set a predictive timer on your phone whilst out on the farm or road doing other stuff.

patsy_mccabe

When the technology gets going, you might be able to see 3D hologram of the animals in your own house. :rolleyes:

ruwithme

What's the overview on the price of mart cattle all summer and now?when we see where finished beef prices are and have being for a good while now.

What's driving the demand and confidence?is the online element making alot of the difference?

Dunedin

Went with 3 cull cows today to the mart. Nothing exciting about the prices but had a rasher/sausage/egg sandwich in the canteen and it was savage. Had a purple snack afterwards too.

Something special about the mart canteens.

ruwithme

Aah the marts. Bit like what the gaa claim about the game. "Nothing beats being there "

Bass Reeves

ruwithme wrote: »

What's the overview on the price of mart cattle all summer and now?when we see where finished beef prices are and have being for a good while now.

What's driving the demand and confidence?is the online element making alot of the difference?

Price is determined by the lads around the ring. Most of these are there fulltime. However with the advent of online they have less control. Now rather than spending an hour each way to and from a mart, as well as trying to time when to be there I can go away and do my bit of farming it work. I can set up LSL or Marteye and watch as the cows and stock bulls go in . Then when the cattle types I am.interested in go in I can start to watch it.

Now instead of going to the mart being a 4-6 hour event I can watch the bullocks, heifers or cows and bid away if interested in them. I no longer need to overbid as it's possible to do 2-3 marts in a week if need be. Dealers taught at the start they could outbid everybody. But now it begining to.level out. Ya you might get caught with the odd wrong one but most cattle are fairly generic in reality.

Dealers can no longer be guaranteed to off load there dear stock onto Johnny who cannot go to the mart, as now Johnny can bid from his own home. Prices have softened over the last ten days, IMO they will soften a bit more.

Danzy

I watch my local mart for an hour every Tuesday on lsl.

I couldn't be on the pulse like that without it.

4 times a year is no training or showcase on price.

Bass Reeves

Danzy wrote: »

I watch my local mart for an hour every Tuesday on lsl.

I couldn't be on the pulse like that without it.

4 times a year is no training or showcase on price.

In any system mart price is immaterial in a way. What you need to know is you costs and what you can afford to pay for cattle. I know in my system what will leave the margin you require. It only a matter of waiting for the mart price to arrive at that

I says

Sold at the mart today ave €2.09kg what I was expecting average weight just over 600kgs. Happy with the price and thanks to the online bidders who pushed up the price and bought a good few today.