Mart Price Tracker

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

Went with 3 cull cows today to the mart. Nothing exciting about the prices but had a rasher/sausage/egg sandwich in the canteen and it was savage. Had a purple snack afterwards too.

Something special about the mart canteens.

Tullamore?

Dunedin

Reggie. wrote: »

Tullamore?

Yes indeed.

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

Yes indeed.

Got a doing there once and couldn't face it ever since

Dunedin

Reggie. wrote: »

Got a doing there once and couldn't face it ever since

From the ring or the canteen?

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

From the ring or the canteen?

Canteen

mf240

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Price is determined by the lads around the ring. Most of these are there fulltime. However with the advent of online they have less control. Now rather than spending an hour each way to and from a mart, as well as trying to time when to be there I can go away and do my bit of farming it work. I can set up LSL or Marteye and watch as the cows and stock bulls go in . Then when the cattle types I am.interested in go in I can start to watch it.

Now instead of going to the mart being a 4-6 hour event I can watch the bullocks, heifers or cows and bid away if interested in them. I no longer need to overbid as it's possible to do 2-3 marts in a week if need be. Dealers taught at the start they could outbid everybody. But now it begining to.level out. Ya you might get caught with the odd wrong one but most cattle are fairly generic in reality.

Dealers can no longer be guaranteed to off load there dear stock onto Johnny who cannot go to the mart, as now Johnny can bid from his own home. Prices have softened over the last ten days, IMO they will soften a bit more.

The lads that used to be holding hands and hugging each other at the ring now have to be two metres apart and they are finding their relationships struggling. And the lads they are used to intimidating are bidding away In the safety of their own homes or workplaces.

straight

mf240 wrote: »

The lads that used to be holding hands and hugging each other at the ring now have to be two metres apart and they are finding their relationships struggling. And the lads they are used to intimidating are bidding away In the safety of their own homes or workplaces.

They'd sicken your sh1t

K9

What route would be best to sell some incalf heifers out of done deal, breed society heifer sale or just an ordinary incalf mart sale. 4 simmentals ai bred

T0001

Managed to pick up a few store bullocks there last week, first ones after selling the heavy cattle. The absolute convenience of sitting at home on the laptop with a cup of tea, and not having to deal with dealers coming over to you saying they've a few grand lads coming in next and they'd suit ya, or lads [dealers] taggin after ya around the yard to try sell the last one or two they had for a price they couldn't even pretend to get in the ring. No having to go all the way with the trailer in the morning only to come home empty. AND being able to hear the auctioneer tell the seller he hasn't actually got the price and you can just sit back and let him sweat it out whereas if you were there you'd probable stay bidding cause you wouldn't know better.

Been watching online for the last few months but hadn't bought anything. Thought it was a good job and it just proved itself!

patsy_mccabe

I think the auctioneers will cop on to the fact that everything they say online is being heard. They'll soon learn quick enough to turn off the microphone.

BullBauld

Folks

What price would you expect to pay for a 5 month Angus bull?

Are they ok to go straight out to grass?

I'm still learning the trade here hence my very basic questions.

Thanks.

patsy_mccabe

BullBauld wrote: »

Folks

What price would you expect to pay for a 5 month Angus bull?

Are they ok to go straight out to grass?

I'm still learning the trade here hence my very basic questions.

Thanks.

€400 circa for angus bulls from Fr cows. Depends on quality, of course.

kk.man

I haven't set up for online bidding yet. How reliable is it on the phone. I don't have WiFi?

Danzy

kk.man wrote: »

I haven't set up for online bidding yet. How reliable is it on the phone. I don't have WiFi?

No problem on my phone, a moderate enough smart phone

Cavanjack

kk.man wrote: »

I haven't set up for online bidding yet. How reliable is it on the phone. I don't have WiFi?

Waste of time unless your internet is good. Works fine off 3G or 4g if reception is good

patsy_mccabe

At the mart today and 90% of the farmers not wearing a mask. Saw some lads in their late 70s or so and no mask on. Seriously? Everyone in the shops wear them so why not around the mart?

Bass Reeves

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

At the mart today and 90% of the farmers not wearing a mask. Saw some lads in their late 70s or so and no mask on. Seriously? Everyone in the shops wear them so why not around the mart?

Because there are some thick f@@kers around. It is simply down to that. Management at marts are not the brightest either in general. If they had someone going around instructing them to wear them and if not instruct them to leave the mart

wrangler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Because there are some thick f@@kers around. It is simply down to that. Management at marts are not the brightest either in general. If they had someone going around instructing them to wear them and if not instruct them to leave the mart

Every new case out there now is because someone acted the brat. everyone knows what to do and a lot think they're too smart to do it .
It just hasn't got bad enough yet

bogman_bass

Everybody had them in my local mart but they were all Dow. Round their chins. Dealers packed round the ring again.

I turned around and left.

charolais0153

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

At the mart today and 90% of the farmers not wearing a mask. Saw some lads in their late 70s or so and no mask on. Seriously? Everyone in the shops wear them so why not around the mart?

Marts fault

jfh

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

At the mart today and 90% of the farmers not wearing a mask. Saw some lads in their late 70s or so and no mask on. Seriously? Everyone in the shops wear them so why not around the mart?

The sheep sale on a Monday is just as bad & there's an older demographic

jfh

While we're on the topic of marts, there used to be a time when you could cancel your entries for a sale if you gave enough notice, now you get charged regardless. Is this standard in every Mart or just ennis?

Jb1989

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

At the mart today and 90% of the farmers not wearing a mask. Saw some lads in their late 70s or so and no mask on. Seriously? Everyone in the shops wear them so why not around the mart?

How was prices?

Albert Johnson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Because there are some thick f@@kers around. It is simply down to that. Management at marts are not the brightest either in general. If they had someone going around instructing them to wear them and if not instruct them to leave the mart

Most marts I frequent have a person(s) tasked with doing just that. In my experience those that aren't interested in complying without being reprimanded often won't act any different when asked to do so. Mart management isn't an easy job at the best of times and Covid has added an entirely new workload that was non existent before hand. It's all very well saying that X,Y or Z should be implemented but it's totally different when your tasked with actually enforcing it. That's not to say everyone hasn't there part to play but I've daily experience of dealing with some of the most awkward individuals God ever put into skin both inside and outside of farming. Some lads are hard work and will always do it there way.

Hard Knocks

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Most marts I frequent have a person(s) tasked with doing just that. In my experience those that aren't interested in complying without being reprimanded often won't act any different when asked to do so. Mart management isn't an easy job at the best of times and Covid has added an entirely new workload that was non existent before hand. It's all very well saying that X,Y or Z should be implemented but it's totally different when your tasked with actually enforcing it. That's not to say everyone hasn't there part to play but I've daily experience of dealing with some of the most awkward individuals God ever put into skin both inside and outside of farming. Some lads are hard work and will always do it there way.

Went to a calf sale a few months back, young girl given the job of COVID
I thought it was unfair, should of been the Mart manager or yard manager with Auctioneer ready to stop proceeding if people weren’t complying

patsy_mccabe

Jb1989 wrote: »

How was prices?

I was only delivering for a relative. Just dropped off and a quick bite in the restaurant.

Siamsa Sessions

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Went to a calf sale a few months back, young girl given the job of COVID
I thought it was unfair, should of been the Mart manager or yard manager with Auctioneer ready to stop proceeding if people weren’t complying

Very poor reflection of whoever shoved her out front

Limestone Cowboy

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was only delivering for a relative. Just dropped off and a quick bite in the restaurant.

Same as that. Was a big que at the ticket office this morning and I was the only one wearing a mask.

I says

No dealing with ignorance

Bass Reeves

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Most marts I frequent have a person(s) tasked with doing just that. In my experience those that aren't interested in complying without being reprimanded often won't act any different when asked to do so. Mart management isn't an easy job at the best of times and Covid has added an entirely new workload that was non existent before hand. It's all very well saying that X,Y or Z should be implemented but it's totally different when your tasked with actually enforcing it. That's not to say everyone hasn't there part to play but I've daily experience of dealing with some of the most awkward individuals God ever put into skin both inside and outside of farming. Some lads are hard work and will always do it there way.

I have worked in many area's. H&S was always a chore to get lads to comply. A big sign say ''no bids taken for anyone not in there designated seat and not wearing a mask''. Then refuse to take bids off them. Big sign on the way in ''wear your mask''. It as easy as that. Mart manager around the floor enforcing and telling lads to leave. Lads always try to stretch the rules.

You will not be allowed onto a building site without your protective gear and without a valid safe pass. If you are caught without your hi-vis vest or helmet or your are send home, you boss is notified. I have seen lads barred from work sites for misdemeanor's. Once on a ESB site two lads left tool's behind them, they realized it on the way home and turned back. They tried the COW who'es phone was off. They saw the gear on the ground inside the gate. They put there ladder up against the gate, and the second half inside the gate and climbed over got there gear and left. There boss nearly lost the contract the following morning. The whole place was covered by camera's. They were made aware previously that access to site was by a COW's and he had to be on site at all time. The contract was held onto but the two lads involved were not allowed onto that site again for the duration of that contract. Nobody in that outfit would disobey a site rule by any company again as there boss would sack them on the spot now and they are aware of that.

It the same with mask's and distancing in marts if rules are enforced lads cop on after a while. No mask no bid is a simple rule

patsy_mccabe

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Same as that. Was a big que at the ticket office this morning and I was the only one wearing a mask.

Ya, the guy I dropped them of for was with me and he got out to get the numbers. He came back laughing saying mad Queue there and he he the only only one wearing the mask. Canteen queue out the door too and not one with a mask on.

DukeCaboom

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, the guy I dropped them of for was with me and he got out to get the numbers. He came back laughing saying mad Queue there and he he the only only one wearing the mask. Canteen queue out the door too and not one with a mask on.

I was very surprised outside our primary school this week no one wearing masks.
In our local mart it was 99% complience. You'd look like a prcik not wearing one.

Base price

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have worked in many area's. H&S was always a chore to get lads to comply. A big sign say ''no bids taken for anyone not in there designated seat and not wearing a mask''. Then refuse to take bids off them. Big sign on the way in ''wear your mask''. It as easy as that. Mart manager around the floor enforcing and telling lads to leave. Lads always try to stretch the rules.

You will not be allowed onto a building site without your protective gear and without a valid safe pass. If you are caught without your hi-vis vest or helmet or your are send home, you boss is notified. I have seen lads barred from work sites for misdemeanor's. Once on a ESB site two lads left tool's behind them, they realized it on the way home and turned back. They tried the COW who'es phone was off. They saw the gear on the ground inside the gate. They put there ladder up against the gate, and the second half inside the gate and climbed over got there gear and left. There boss nearly lost the contract the following morning. The whole place was covered by camera's. They were made aware previously that access to site was by a COW's and he had to be on site at all time. The contract was held onto but the two lads involved were not allowed onto that site again for the duration of that contract. Nobody in that outfit would disobey a site rule by any company again as there boss would sack them on the spot now and they are aware of that.

It the same with mask's and distancing in marts if rules are enforced lads cop on after a while. No mask no bid is a simple rule

I've been to two different marts and a factory since early Monday morning. Other than mart staff there was only a handful of people wearing masks dropping/collecting and queuing for numbers at both marts. Both marts had clear Covid signage and hand sanitisers in place. The factory was a different story with everyone wearing masks unloading their cattle - two farmers with their jeeps/trailers and a man with a lorry and drag.

Murang

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Same as that. Was a big que at the ticket office this morning and I was the only one wearing a mask.

We’re the mart staff wearing masks

patsy_mccabe

Saw this on twitter;

https://www.livestock-live.com/MartMemberAccess/Market/MartCatalogue?Mart=M102&op=detail&SearchAuctionDayID=0&SearchAuctionID=192945

€4250 for a weanling.

I think this is him;
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/show-roan-bull-calf/25859923

Albert Johnson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have worked in many area's. H&S was always a chore to get lads to comply. A big sign say ''no bids taken for anyone not in there designated seat and not wearing a mask''. Then refuse to take bids off them. Big sign on the way in ''wear your mask''. It as easy as that. Mart manager around the floor enforcing and telling lads to leave. Lads always try to stretch the rules.

You will not be allowed onto a building site without your protective gear and without a valid safe pass. If you are caught without your hi-vis vest or helmet or your are send home, you boss is notified. I have seen lads barred from work sites for misdemeanor's. Once on a ESB site two lads left tool's behind them, they realized it on the way home and turned back. They tried the COW who'es phone was off. They saw the gear on the ground inside the gate. They put there ladder up against the gate, and the second half inside the gate and climbed over got there gear and left. There boss nearly lost the contract the following morning. The whole place was covered by camera's. They were made aware previously that access to site was by a COW's and he had to be on site at all time. The contract was held onto but the two lads involved were not allowed onto that site again for the duration of that contract. Nobody in that outfit would disobey a site rule by any company again as there boss would sack them on the spot now and they are aware of that.

It the same with mask's and distancing in marts if rules are enforced lads cop on after a while. No mask no bid is a simple rule

I'm not trying to counter any of your points as they're all valid and it's not a big ask for lad's to wear a mask while on the premises. However it's slightly different when the person's involved are your customers and not employee's. Some lads are strange and they'll vote with there future business if there displeased with something the mart did or didn't do. I'll leave it at that because the argument is weighted against me and rightly so.

bogman_bass

DukeCaboom wrote: »

I was very surprised outside our primary school this week no one wearing masks.
In our local mart it was 99% complience. You'd look like a prcik not wearing one.

That’s the way it needs to be for it to work

bogman_bass

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Saw this on twitter;

https://www.livestock-live.com/MartMemberAccess/Market/MartCatalogue?Mart=M102&op=detail&SearchAuctionDayID=0&SearchAuctionID=192945

€4250 for a weanling.

I think this is him;
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/show-roan-bull-calf/25859923

How did the whole roan thing explode in the past 12-18 months?

patsy_mccabe

bogman_bass wrote: »

How did the whole roan thing explode in the past 12-18 months?

'An rud is annamh is iontach'.

Base price

bogman_bass wrote: »

How did the whole roan thing explode in the past 12-18 months?

It's nothing new.
I remember as a child my Grandad getting very good money for roan heifers in the 70's - they were know as blue/greys.

Bass Reeves

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I'm not trying to counter any of your points as they're all valid and it's not a big ask for lad's to wear a mask while on the premises. However it's slightly different when the person's involved are your customers and not employee's. Some lads are strange and they'll vote with there future business if there displeased with something the mart did or didn't do. I'll leave it at that because the argument is weighted against me and rightly so.

I just get fed up with stroke politics. There is always some lad willing to start vending the rules and then everyone has to. It not just over COVID regs.

Look at the stroke that the manager of Gortnalea mart pulled. He has used GDPR as an excuse not to put up owner name on online sales, so now 3-4 other marts gave copied it. There is no legal basis for it but it a nice stroke to.pull.

It was the same with the D2 pub/restaurant in Dublin everybody know the rules but hey maybe I can bend them for a boozy brunch.

What will pubs do in two weeks time when there customers arrive back in. Tommy always sat at the corner of the bar as sure it no harm,. Pa thinks it's ok for him to go from table to table he a customer so we cannot offend him.

I know where you are coming from AJ but if marts are closed down for 3-4 weeks in October/November it will be havoc. Marts are no different to meat factories they have to start enforcing the rules. If the HSE turned up and closed 2-3 of them mid sale maybe the managers would cop on then.

kk.man

Base price wrote: »

It's nothing new.
I remember as a child my Grandad getting very good money for roan heifers in the 70's - they were know as blue/greys.

I remember a cow I owned here as a young boy. She had an amazing bull calf. Blue gray in colour. Forget what weight or price he got as a weanling.

wrangler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I just get fed up with stroke politics. There is always some lad willing to start vending the rules and then everyone has to. It not just over COVID regs.

Look at the stroke that the manager of Gortnalea mart pulled. He has used GDPR as an excuse not to put up owner name on online sales, so now 3-4 other marts gave copied it. There is no legal basis for it but it a nice stroke to.pull.

It was the same with the D2 pub/restaurant in Dublin everybody know the rules but hey maybe I can bend them for a boozy brunch.

What will pubs do in two weeks time when there customers arrive back in. Tommy always sat at the corner of the bar as sure it no harm,. Pa thinks it's ok for him to go from table to table he a customer so we cannot offend him.

I know where you are coming from AJ but if marts are closed down for 3-4 weeks in October/November it will be havoc. Marts are no different to meat factories they have to start enforcing the rules. If the HSE turned up and closed 2-3 of them mid sale maybe the managers would cop on then.

People will obey when it get's bad enough

charolais0153

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I just get fed up with stroke politics. There is always some lad willing to start vending the rules and then everyone has to. It not just over COVID regs.

Look at the stroke that the manager of Gortnalea mart pulled. He has used GDPR as an excuse not to put up owner name on online sales, so now 3-4 other marts gave copied it. There is no legal basis for it but it a nice stroke to.pull.

It was the same with the D2 pub/restaurant in Dublin everybody know the rules but hey maybe I can bend them for a boozy brunch.

What will pubs do in two weeks time when there customers arrive back in. Tommy always sat at the corner of the bar as sure it no harm,. Pa thinks it's ok for him to go from table to table he a customer so we cannot offend him.

I know where you are coming from AJ but if marts are closed down for 3-4 weeks in October/November it will be havoc. Marts are no different to meat factories they have to start enforcing the rules. If the HSE turned up and closed 2-3 of them mid sale maybe the managers would cop on then.

What does owner name matter

Bass Reeves

charolais0153 wrote: »

What does owner name matter

There is a few ones I prefer to keep my hands in my pocket when there cattle come in.

Lime Tree Farm

There is a bit of a difference between a Mart displaying name and address, on a rolling screen at the point of sale, which disappears off the screen after the sale. With online sales that information stays online for a week and was being abused by people taking screen grabs and discussing the sale information online, complete with owners name and address.. OK if it is your own information but an abuse if it not.

DBK1

Bass Reeves wrote: »

There is a few ones I prefer to keep my hands in my pocket when there cattle come in.

Plus 1 on that but also there are owners who’s stock you like to buy based on the results of having their stock in previous years. I buy the majority of my stock in Gortatlea and it’s disappointing not to be able to see the names.

Albert Johnson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I just get fed up with stroke politics. There is always some lad willing to start vending the rules and then everyone has to. It not just over COVID regs.

Look at the stroke that the manager of Gortnalea mart pulled. He has used GDPR as an excuse not to put up owner name on online sales, so now 3-4 other marts gave copied it. There is no legal basis for it but it a nice stroke to.pull.

It was the same with the D2 pub/restaurant in Dublin everybody know the rules but hey maybe I can bend them for a boozy brunch.

What will pubs do in two weeks time when there customers arrive back in. Tommy always sat at the corner of the bar as sure it no harm,. Pa thinks it's ok for him to go from table to table he a customer so we cannot offend him.

I know where you are coming from AJ but if marts are closed down for 3-4 weeks in October/November it will be havoc. Marts are no different to meat factories they have to start enforcing the rules. If the HSE turned up and closed 2-3 of them mid sale maybe the managers would cop on then.

I think a return to 100% online bidding is almost unavoidable for the autumn and would probably be for the best. It's next to impossible to regulate the public at the ringside so it would be easier imo to remove them from that environment and therefore eradicate the problem. Online bidding worked very well during the country wide lock down in the spring and I can't see why it wouldn't work equally as well now.

As for the seller's information on the sales board I think it should be done away with in all marts. Yes I'd agree there's certain individuals I wouldn't willing buy stock off for whatever reason. However those sort of lad's are well aware of this problem and will attempt to hide the fact that there showing cattle. Usually they either don't hand in the cards until after the sale so there's no info on the board or will use another herd number and name to sell there stock in. Maybe I'm just a private individual but the idea of having my name and address on display for the majority of nosy bastards to comment upon both ringside and online isn't something I find overly appealing.

tanko

If the biggest problem anyone has is “nosy bastards” talking about their name and address or how much their cattle made in the mart then it’s well for them they haven’t got any real problems to worry about.
You couldn’t make this shyte up.

patsy_mccabe

First thing I always look at is the name and address. You would be wary of buying off dealers. Their buddies tend to puff up the prices.
In Clare too, cattle from the Burren area would get a premium and cattle from Limerick would be considered pampered on good land.