Mart Price Tracker

Siamsa Sessions

It'll be interesting to see if any mart starts to display the TB "risk" status of sellers, seeing as some don't even display the seller's name.

I noticed one company already including "C10 risk level" when advertising stock online.

Reggie.

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if any mart starts to display the TB "risk" status of sellers, seeing as some don't even display the seller's name.

I noticed one company already including "C10 risk level" when advertising stock online.

If they were C1 I wonder would they be as eager to put it up

charolais0153

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

First thing I always look at is the name and address. You would be wary of buying off dealers. Their buddies tend to puff up the prices.
In Clare too, cattle from the Burren area would get a premium and cattle from Limerick would be considered pampered on good land.

Sure the address is still there

Siamsa Sessions

Reggie. wrote: »

If they were C1 I wonder would they be as eager to put it up

That's exactly it. Will buyers assume there's a TB risk if C10 is not displayed?

The Dept might claim C10 would add a premium but in reality, this latest brain fart will reduce cattle prices and drive more cattle direct to the factory and away from the mart.

If mart managers want lads to sell cattle at their marts, then they shouldn't put them off by having a policy of displaying the supposed risk.

Albert Johnson

tanko wrote: »

If the biggest problem anyone has is “nosy bastards” talking about their name and address or how much their cattle made in the mart then it’s well for them they haven’t got any real problems to worry about.
You couldn’t make this shyte up.

I suppose they could be ignorant bastard's with problems at home for all I know, you wouldn't have to go to the mart either to find the like. I get that most lad's don't like dealer's cattle for various reasons and there's a few I wouldn't buy off willingly either. However I still would be in favor of ditching the names and specific addresses off the board. Perhaps the town or county line could be kept but do away with the rest. I know that there won't be many in agreement with me on this but nobody comes to tell me there business so I don't see the point in broadcasting mine to everyone else.

ruwithme

Don't know what the fuss is over the Department tb letters. Maybe just the new president looking like he's doing something.

If cattle buyers start getting fussy over this alone,cattle would soon get scarce for them leaving the good ones even dearer

Can't say i ever see the mad ones,horned ones being discounted for same, so don't see this being a issue

older by the day

I only buy in my breeding bull, maybe 1 or 2 animals every couple of years. But it is the first question I ask is about disease. I'm be asking for tb status. Things are hard enough with out getting reactors. I know that everyone gets a run of it but you don't want to buy it in either

charolais0153

Red lim heifer with white belly, 275 kg 1370

older by the day

charolais0153 wrote: »

Red lim heifer with white belly, 275 kg 1370

No brexit worries there

richie123

older by the day wrote: »

No brexit worries there

How does a 270 kg heifer make 1300
Just curious here ...is it stars or what is it

Sacrolyte

charolais0153 wrote: »

Red lim heifer with white belly, 275 kg 1370

Maybe their looking for the next Cork mascot.

patsy_mccabe

richie123 wrote: »

How does a 270 kg heifer make 1300
Just curious here ...is it stars or what is it

That's what I can't understand. I saw finished char heifers struggle to make that in the mart. :mad:

Albert Johnson

richie123 wrote: »

How does a 270 kg heifer make 1300
Just curious here ...is it stars or what is it

I'm assuming she's gone for breeding? Those real fancy type colored heifer's are always in demand at any weight. If you get 2 determined buyer's then the sky is the limit. A lot of those types go North of the border as the exchange rate usually favors northern buyers. A breeding animal is harder to value as you'll hopefully have numerous sale's of there progeny as opposed to one pay day with a beef animal. Then there's the lads that always have to own the best of everything regardless of price.

charolais0153

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I'm assuming she's gone for breeding? Those real fancy type colored heifer's are always in demand at any weight. If you get 2 determined buyer's then the sky is the limit. A lot of those types go North of the border as the exchange rate usually favors northern buyers. A breeding animal is harder to value as you'll hopefully have numerous sale's of there progeny as opposed to one pay day with a beef animal. Then there's the lads that always have to own the best of everything regardless of price.

She wasnt going north, lovely sweet heifer, white belly and deep red hairy, nicely muscled, will make a great springer in time
2 lads were going hell for leather at her,

Siamsa Sessions

Heading to Dungarvan mart tomorrow with 10 Fr and 2 He cattle. 18-ish months old. Hoping they’re around the 450kg mark.

Will let ye know how they go.

Dunedin

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Heading to Dungarvan mart tomorrow with 10 Fr and 2 He cattle. 18-ish months old. Hoping they’re around the 450kg mark.

Will let ye know how they go.

Best of luck

Albert Johnson

charolais0153 wrote: »

She wasnt going north, lovely sweet heifer, white belly and deep red hairy, nicely muscled, will make a great springer in time
2 lads were going hell for leather at her,

Provided she's the real deal as regards quality then the price isn't that far out imo. I'd never give it for that type of a heifer but there's plenty who would. A real good springer heifer coming near calving is currently making €2200-€2500 and they'll most likely get dearer when lad's sell weanlings and get the first of the BPS money. As with every enterprise there's pitfalls but would she be worth circa €2300 springing down this time 2 year's? I'll be buying bull weanlings at around €700 shortly for a neighbor and he'll be doing well to get €1600 for them in 2 year's time. Granted there's extra work and expense with a springer as opposed to dry stock and a certain percentage of those heifer's won't go incalf and will only be worth beef price. It's a gamble as with everything but there's lad's willing to try it.

ruwithme

Your on the money today albert as usual.

I wonder which one of them 2 bidding men are the happier after that

Mooooo

I dunno how the numbers work lads, 90% of the time unless they're show cattle dairy lads wouldn't pay those prices for stock. Of the return is so poor from beef it must be off farm paying for the stock at that money and it all ends up supporting Larry and co. Fair enough if it is a side interest but in terms of getting a return it doesn't make sense

charolais0153

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Provided she's the real deal as regards quality then the price isn't that far out imo. I'd never give it for that type of a heifer but there's plenty who would. A real good springer heifer coming near calving is currently making €2200-€2500 and they'll most likely get dearer when lad's sell weanlings and get the first of the BPS money. As with every enterprise there's pitfalls but would she be worth circa €2300 springing down this time 2 year's? I'll be buying bull weanlings at around €700 shortly for a neighbor and he'll be doing well to get €1600 for them in 2 year's time. Granted there's extra work and expense with a springer as opposed to dry stock and a certain percentage of those heifer's won't go incalf and will only be worth beef price. It's a gamble as with everything but there's lad's willing to try it.

She wasn't a great heifer but sweet,

ruwithme

Cattle marts are awash with money from non farming related activities in my opinion. Business men with a interest/tradesmen with good wages and the bit of land and undoubtedly other sources too

patsy_mccabe

I was at a clearance suckler sale a few years back. High profile sale with prices to 2,500 or so. At the end, a dealer had a few in-calf heifers. This shorthorn cross char type came in and no interest. I bought her for 1100. I'm trying to offload some cows at the moment. Guy in the field at the weekend and he picks her out of the lot. Gas isn't it? Some lads like what they like

Albert Johnson

Mooooo wrote: »

I dunno how the numbers work lads, 90% of the time unless they're show cattle dairy lads wouldn't pay those prices for stock. Of the return is so poor from beef it must be off farm paying for the stock at that money and it all ends up supporting Larry and co. Fair enough if it is a side interest but in terms of getting a return it doesn't make sense

I'm not disagreeing with you Moo but most of the time in those situations the numbers don't have to work. Your dealing with lad's that have big BPS payments, good off farm income, a wealthy spouse, legacies ect. In other walks of life people spend it on houses, fast car's, slow horses and faster women.

There's a certain number will spend it on super cow's to produce top class weanlings. It's there money and it's a mute point as to whether it's right or wrong because obviously it's the right thing in there eye's. Granted it makes it harder to whinge about poor return's in the beef sector but most of them will keep slogging away because the darkest hour is always before the dawn.

Someone recently mentioned that beef farming is too easy to get into and I think it's a very valid point. Dairying or other enterprises require expensive facilities and a high labour input which complicates the opportunity for off farm employment. Beef or suckler farming on a small scale doesn't require much more than basic facilities, a modest land base and you can still keep the 9-5 job if desired. Anyone can stand around the ring (or bid online from the office, kitchen table ect) and buy quality dry stock without worries as to how the monthly repayments will be met on a milking parlour, land purchases or whatever is now necessary to continue trading.

Danzy

ruwithme wrote: »

Cattle marts are awash with money from non farming related activities in my opinion. Business men with a interest/tradesmen with good wages and the bit of land and undoubtedly other sources too

This with bells on it.

Rolling money over is more important than return for quite a few.

K9

charolais0153 wrote: »

She wasn't a great heifer but sweet,

Have you a photo of her?

charolais0153

K9 wrote: »

Have you a photo of her?

https://www.facebook.com/620706281391143/posts/3058321440962936/?sfnsn=mo&extid=KOOIdwNokrCXNXLy

Albert Johnson

charolais0153 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/620706281391143/posts/3058321440962936/?sfnsn=mo&extid=KOOIdwNokrCXNXLy

That's not a great photo to judge from but she seems a little low to the ground at the front and isn't anything special as regards muscle. However she's a nice natural little beast with good hair and is eye catching all the same. It was a fair touch for her imo but I'd wish whoever bought her the best of luck and she should hopefully make a nice cow some day.

charolais0153

Albert Johnson wrote: »

That's not a great photo to judge from but she seems a little low to the ground at the front and isn't anything special as regards muscle. However she's a nice natural little beast with good hair and is eye catching all the same. It was a fair touch for her imo but I'd wish whoever bought her the best of luck and she should hopefully make a nice cow some day.

If she was trimmed would make her look taller, the hair makes them butter.

Limestone Cowboy

The show calf pyramid scheme

Mooooo

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you Moo but most of the time in those situations the numbers don't have to work. Your dealing with lad's that have big BPS payments, good off farm income, a wealthy spouse, legacies ect. In other walks of life people spend it on houses, fast car's, slow horses and faster women.

There's a certain number will spend it on super cow's to produce top class weanlings. It's there money and it's a mute point as to whether it's right or wrong because obviously it's the right thing in there eye's. Granted it makes it harder to whinge about poor return's in the beef sector but most of them will keep slogging away because the darkest hour is always before the dawn.

Someone recently mentioned that beef farming is too easy to get into and I think it's a very valid point. Dairying or other enterprises require expensive facilities and a high labour input which complicates the opportunity for off farm employment. Beef or suckler farming on a small scale doesn't require much more than basic facilities, a modest land base and you can still keep the 9-5 job if desired. Anyone can stand around the ring (or bid online from the office, kitchen table ect) and buy quality dry stock without worries as to how the monthly repayments will be met on a milking parlour, land purchases or whatever is now necessary to continue trading.

All true. Unfortunately it is likely a large reason for the poor returns in beef for all also. If the farm isn't paying for itself, even allowing for including the sfp, it's the off farm job is covering the cost that the price of beef should be. Beef price won't go up if it is being supplied below the cost of production...

Siamsa Sessions

Mooooo wrote: »

All true. Unfortunately it is likely a large reason for the poor returns in beef for all also. If the farm isn't paying for itself, even allowing for including the sfp, it's the off farm job is covering the cost that the price of beef should be. Beef price won't go up if it is being supplied below the cost of production...

Agreed. When the experts tell us that beef farming is unviable they are looking at it in narrow financial terms. But very few people live in that world. From the broader perspective, it is very viable if the off-farm job covers the dwelling house bills and a lad can escape from the world into the farm for an hour here and there.

If anything, such an outside interest is essential for lots of the off-farm jobs these days where management types and business speak are taking over.

Siamsa Sessions

Bad day at the office here today.

I brought 12 summer grazers to the mart and took a serious hair-cut on them. Prices are back on the last few weeks but the money was really lost the day I believed the agent when he said they were a certain weight back in May. I assumed he had a nice commission for himself built into the price but I didn’t think he’d dip into my pocket so much. I’ll never again deal with him.

It’s all obvious in hindsight but lessons have very much been learned today. I won’t forget today’s trip to the mart for a long time.

I went to check the sheep when I came home and I’m looking at them in a whole new light now. They might break your heart at times but they’ll never break your pocket too much.

Bass Reeves

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Bad day at the office here today.

I brought 12 summer grazers to the mart and took a serious hair-cut on them. Prices are back on the last few weeks but the money was really lost the day I believed the agent when he said they were a certain weight back in May. I assumed he had a nice commission for himself built into the price but I didn’t think he’d dip into my pocket so much. I’ll never again deal with him.

It’s all obvious in hindsight but lessons have very much been learned today. I won’t forget today’s trip to the mart for a long time.

I went to check the sheep when I came home and I’m looking at them in a whole new light now. They might break your heart at times but they’ll never break your pocket too much.

Were they the Friesians you bought in May give us the gory details.

T0001

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Bad day at the office here today.

I brought 12 summer grazers to the mart and took a serious hair-cut on them. Prices are back on the last few weeks but the money was really lost the day I believed the agent when he said they were a certain weight back in May. I assumed he had a nice commission for himself built into the price but I didn’t think he’d dip into my pocket so much. I’ll never again deal with him.

It’s all obvious in hindsight but lessons have very much been learned today. I won’t forget today’s trip to the mart for a long time.

I went to check the sheep when I came home and I’m looking at them in a whole new light now. They might break your heart at times but they’ll never break your pocket too much.

I know the feeling. Got caught 2 years ago myself with a few I bought off a dealer. Taking their word that they were a certain weight. One in particular was a Dexter but looked like a young limousin with LM on the card, I didn't pass remarks til he didnt grow. Lost €250 on him in the space of 6 months. Same for a few others in that group. Never went back near him again. Online marts will make buying a bit easier now, but better off just buying your own few.

kerry cow

online is the job .
poor old dealers hanging on the rails , can put their long finger some where else now , this is mine and you can have the next, how are you .

Bass Reeves

kerry cow wrote: »

online is the job .
poor old dealers hanging on the rails , can put their long finger some where else now , this is mine and you can have the next, how are you .

It is definately causing them problems they can no longer buy everything.They are at a disadvantage bulling prices as they do not know if the have a real victim. As well lads buying finished cattle are under pressure, I heard a rumour that 1-2 processors have put a lad behind computer screens buying and only need send the lorry to collect them.

minerleague

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Bad day at the office here today.

I brought 12 summer grazers to the mart and took a serious hair-cut on them. Prices are back on the last few weeks but the money was really lost the day I believed the agent when he said they were a certain weight back in May. I assumed he had a nice commission for himself built into the price but I didn’t think he’d dip into my pocket so much. I’ll never again deal with him.

It’s all obvious in hindsight but lessons have very much been learned today. I won’t forget today’s trip to the mart for a long time.

I went to check the sheep when I came home and I’m looking at them in a whole new light now. They might break your heart at times but they’ll never break your pocket too much.

Years ago you would have to start buying in Feb/March to make any bit in summer grazing, never much made buying in May

straight

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Bad day at the office here today.

I brought 12 summer grazers to the mart and took a serious hair-cut on them. Prices are back on the last few weeks but the money was really lost the day I believed the agent when he said they were a certain weight back in May. I assumed he had a nice commission for himself built into the price but I didn’t think he’d dip into my pocket so much. I’ll never again deal with him.

It’s all obvious in hindsight but lessons have very much been learned today. I won’t forget today’s trip to the mart for a long time.

I went to check the sheep when I came home and I’m looking at them in a whole new light now. They might break your heart at times but they’ll never break your pocket too much.

Better off to paddle your own canoe as there are leeches like them at every turn trying to snatch the quick buck. They have no conscience whatsoever.

DukeCaboom

straight wrote: »

Better off to paddle your own canoe as there are leeches like them at every turn trying to snatch the quick buck. They have no conscience whatsoever.

There's a holes in every walk of life, but he seems a particularly short sighted one.

Siamsa Sessions

DukeCaboom wrote: »

There's a holes in every walk of life, but he seems a particularly short sighted one.

I should have gone to the mart myself. And if I lost money then, at least it would have been honestly lost. Rather than this lad mugging me.

Anyway, I’m hitting the fridge here now for a can of Guinness to drown my sorrows. Tomorrow is another day

grange mac

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I should have gone to the mart myself. And if I lost money then, at least it would have been honestly lost. Rather than this lad mugging me.

Anyway, I’m hitting the fridge here now for a can of Guinness to drown my sorrows. Tomorrow is another day

Every day is a school day. But you won't get caught like that again. I sold last week and prices r deff back last 3weeks. You learn watch your costs, keep them to a min and don't leave it get to you!
Enjoy your Guinness and start again tomorrow.

White Clover

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I should have gone to the mart myself. And if I lost money then, at least it would have been honestly lost. Rather than this lad mugging me.

Anyway, I’m hitting the fridge here now for a can of Guinness to drown my sorrows. Tomorrow is another day

Everyone has got a roasting at some stage when it comes to cattle. A man i knew (rip) always said, "education bought is better than education taught"

DukeCaboom

White Clover wrote: »

Everyone has got a roasting at some stage when it comes to cattle. A man i knew (rip) always said, "education bought is better than education taught"

That's very good

kk.man

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Bad day at the office here today.

I brought 12 summer grazers to the mart and took a serious hair-cut on them. Prices are back on the last few weeks but the money was really lost the day I believed the agent when he said they were a certain weight back in May. I assumed he had a nice commission for himself built into the price but I didn’t think he’d dip into my pocket so much. I’ll never again deal with him.

It’s all obvious in hindsight but lessons have very much been learned today. I won’t forget today’s trip to the mart for a long time.

I went to check the sheep when I came home and I’m looking at them in a whole new light now. They might break your heart at times but they’ll never break your pocket too much.

Really feel for you. It happened to me a few years back. I never lost that feeling you had in the mart today.
I tell you it was an expensive lesson but the best lesson you could get. I can honestly say I never lost money on a beast since and especially this year with the tender system I hope to make more than any year. Educate yourself now and you'll be grand. Education is never cheap nó matter what way you go about it.
The f&+=*<r that did me had some serious back luck after and I didn't wish it on him.
I too looked at my sheep with great fondness that evening too!

patsy_mccabe

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It is definately causing them problems they can no longer buy everything.They are at a disadvantage bulling prices as they do not know if the have a real victim. As well lads buying finished cattle are under pressure, I heard a rumour that 1-2 processors have put a lad behind computer screens buying and only need send the lorry to collect them.

I was watching the heavy older bulls being sold in Ennis last week. About 6 in a row I saw, were all sold online. To me that was the factory buying direct.

Talking to someone at the weekend too who said that a mart manager had told him that some lads would buy half their cattle at the ringside, disappear and buy the other half online................ strange one.

Bass Reeves

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was watching the heavy older bulls being sold in Ennis last week. About 6 in a row I saw, were all sold online. To me that was the factory buying direct.

Talking to someone at the weekend too who said that a mart manager had told him that some lads would buy half their cattle at the ringside, disappear and buy the other half online................ strange one.

There is often a kind of quota system around the ring with online all taht is gone by the wayside. However I would not be believing everything a mart manager says. As well if you are not there there is less pressure to be bidding up cattle and get stuck with an expensive bunch

Albert Johnson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

There is often a kind of quota system around the ring with online all taht is gone by the wayside. However I would not be believing everything a mart manager says. As well if you are not there there is less pressure to be bidding up cattle and get stuck with an expensive bunch

Mart managers have been known to have a fluid relationship with the truth much the same as the rest of the general population. However I wouldn't be surprised at the lengths some lads will go to when conducting there business. Your right about the quota system.

You'll often see multiple men around the ring buying for the same end purchaser. If one man has his hand out every time for a certain type of animal the competition is going to get sick of continually waiting there turn and the agreement breaks down. If there's a few different men to spread out the buying between them it's not as obvious as it looks like everyone is getting there turn at them. In the evening you throw the other lads a few euro a head and get all put on to your sheet. It's usually cheaper than engaging in multiple poll outs with some else because you're trying to claim them all.

Grueller

Sold a few more this week.
5 bulls, all belgian blues, oldest was 12 months
382kg = €1050
480kg = €1260
448kg = €1280
438kg = €1340
292kg = €1110

2 bullocks
BB 450kg = €1000
Limo 394kg = €880

7 heifers, BB unless stated otherwise, all bar 1 under 12 months.
428kg = €900
420kg = €1000
414kg = €840
396kg = €1100
456kg = €950 13 months
Limo 358kg = €770
Limo 370kg = €670 very plain animal.

Happy enough

893bet

2.21 kg today for nice AI bullocks today. 550kg and 18 months old. A little disappointed with their weights. Thought they would be touching 600.

Tipp town mart. Thought prices poor enough for plain cattle.

tanko

Grueller wrote: »

Sold a few more this week.
5 bulls, all belgian blues, oldest was 12 months
382kg = €1050
480kg = €1260
448kg = €1280
438kg = €1340
292kg = €1110

2 bullocks
BB 450kg = €1000
Limo 394kg = €880

7 heifers, BB unless stated otherwise, all bar 1 under 12 months.
428kg = €900
420kg = €1000
414kg = €840
396kg = €1100
456kg = €950 13 months
Limo 358kg = €770
Limo 370kg = €670 very plain animal.

Happy enough

Well done.
Would all the bulls be going for export do you know?