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Bass Reeves

DBK1 wrote: »

That’s €2.51 per kilo, crazy money for them type of stock. I bought a mix of R+ and U grade limousines in Gortatlea during the week averaging out at €2.29 a kilo. From 270 to 330 kilos weight. The best value being a 330kg R grade at €630.

Probably some lad that buys a few ever year as suckler's. If he bid online they not know it was him. He probably spend 5-10 minutes looking at them and went over and back to that pen 3-4 times. It called advertising.

Bass Reeves

Grueller wrote: »

Why question lads changing now?

If you look at what I posted I said fulltime. Lads. Writing was on the wall for suckler's for 5years now. Fulltime lads only changing now are 5yeats older age is a problem with changing. Lad I know hinted it to me the other day. Single man 47/48years of age and farm would need complete overall as well as 70acres and some heavy land.

Lads that were working I can understand but I see them changing to drystock mainly unless.like you they decide to change to fulltime. I think to many changing to dairying will be a culture shock about how much you are tied to farm. On bigger platforms where lads go to 120 cows I think management and farm labour issues will be a huge problem.

I was talking to a lad the other day. He milks a few cows, has a few chicken houses and a small beef operation. He be in the mart now and again. His opinion the days of lads hanging around marts is finished. He thinks that online has changed the economics of it. Mind you he said that even before online the bigger finisher was in trouble. The economics of pouring 250/ton+ ration down the throat of cattle is questionable. This he said is finishing the 70-100day man. Online is finishing his ability to pick up value cattle or slaughter ready cattle that he make 50/head on and pay for his time in the mart.

Some father and son or sons finishing operations have one of them fulltime going to the marts and hauling cattle. Most cannot compete with dairy for decent banks of land so end up with small bit or land with very poor access and fencing or faculties and are struggling to make a margin.

He said that in 3-4years marts will be selling.70%+, online and mainly sellers will be in the mart. This may mean that more lads will mover over to longer-term cattle either weanling to finish or light store to finish

orm0nd

DBK1 wrote: »

That’s €2.51 per kilo, crazy money for them type of stock. I bought a mix of R+ and U grade limousines in Gortatlea during the week averaging out at €2.29 a kilo. From 270 to 330 kilos weight. The best value being a 330kg R grade at €630.

I wasn't there but a friend texted me a couple of lot numbers he thought might suit me, he told me last night they were weighting a bit heavy for their size as well.

K.G.

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If you look at what I posted I said fulltime. Lads. Writing was on the wall for suckler's for 5years now. Fulltime lads only changing now are 5yeats older age is a problem with changing. Lad I know hinted it to me the other day. Single man 47/48years of age and farm would need complete overall as well as 70acres and some heavy land.

Lads that were working I can understand but I see them changing to drystock mainly unless.like you they decide to change to fulltime. I think to many changing to dairying will be a culture shock about how much you are tied to farm. On bigger platforms where lads go to 120 cows I think management and farm labour issues will be a huge problem.

I was talking to a lad the other day. He milks a few cows, has a few chicken houses and a small beef operation. He be in the mart now and again. His opinion the days of lads hanging around marts is finished. He thinks that online has changed the economics of it. Mind you he said that even before online the bigger finisher was in trouble. The economics of pouring 250/ton+ ration down the throat of cattle is questionable. This he said is finishing the 70-100day man. Online is finishing his ability to pick up value cattle or slaughter ready cattle that he make 50/head on and pay for his time in the mart.

Some father and son or sons finishing operations have one of them fulltime going to the marts and hauling cattle. Most cannot compete with dairy for decent banks of land so end up with small bit or land with very poor access and fencing or faculties and are struggling to make a margin.

He said that in 3-4years marts will be selling.70%+, online and mainly sellers will be in the mart. This may mean that more lads will mover over to longer-term cattle either weanling to finish or light store to finish

if nothing else the cost of going to the mart is too much. for the margin in beef.on top of the capital cost of box and jeep taking and bringing home in diesel,fees and time cattle could be 50 euro an animal-the margin just isnt in it.i know a couple of beef finishers and assembling cattle would take more than half their working week between marts andcalling to yards to look at cattle and drawing them home and fecking around with permits cards and checks.really the only time a beef should move is as a calf and then to the factory

20silkcut

Bass Reeves wrote: »

you have to question lads changing now. john Hume on the Good Friday Agreement '' sunningdale for slow learners''. Sucklers as a fulltime option on good land was dependent on a large BFP for the last 5+ years.

It was Seamus Mallon came up with” sunningdale for slow learners “ but yes good analogy

There was 25 years between sunningdale and the good Friday agreement.

Will there be a suckler industry left within 25 years of quota abolition.

Bass Reeves

K.G. wrote: »

if nothing else the cost of going to the mart is too much. for the margin in beef.on top of the capital cost of box and jeep taking and bringing home in diesel,fees and time cattle could be 50 euro an animal-the margin just isnt in it.i know a couple of beef finishers and assembling cattle would take more than half their working week between marts andcalling to yards to look at cattle and drawing them home and fecking around with permits cards and checks.really the only time a beef should move is as a calf and then to the factory

Yes in relation to transport costs they have only gone one way. As well having a jeep adds other costs into the system. If you go to the mart only twice a week the jeep drinks money the rest of the week checking cattle and doing school runs.

However not all land is suitable for finishing cattle. Because of this there is room for calf to store operations. As well there will always be dairy farmers that carry calves to weanling or stores. What is not possible is 3-4lads all looking for a margin off a 1100-1300euro animal.

DukeCaboom

In skibbereen Friday 70% of the weanling heifers went online. It was on of the dearest sales I saw this year. The worse they were the more they made. I'd love to know what these buyers though of the cattle when they were home a few days.

Cavanjack

DukeCaboom wrote: »

In skibbereen Friday 70% of the weanling heifers went online. It was on of the dearest sales I saw this year. The worse they were the more they made. I'd love to know what these buyers though of the cattle when they were home a few days.

I wouldn’t like to buy weanlings online without seeing them first.

Bass Reeves

20silkcut wrote: »

Will there be a suckler industry left within 25 years of quota abolition.

Not in its present format. Carbon and continued dairy expansion both indictate that we need a reduction in the Suckler herd and a move to lowering nitrate levels on dairy farms. As well exporting of live calves/weanlings will become under threat. Finally the mainstream dairy processing industry will not tolerate high slaughter level's if calves.

These are not compatible with present levels of suckler cows. How long we can continue with trying to artificially supporting there production is another question

Bass Reeves

DukeCaboom wrote: »

In skibbereen Friday 70% of the weanling heifers went online. It was on of the dearest sales I saw this year. The worse they were the more they made. I'd love to know what these buyers though of the cattle when they were home a few days.

They probably still worked out cheaper than getting landed to them by some dealer. As well they will come straight from mart to farm not spending a few days in a yard somewhere to be sorted into different batches.

However not all will have been expensive buying. Lads will learn as they go along and learn from there mistakes. Some lads never learn so will make the same mistakes on line as in the mart.

Siamsa Sessions

Bass Reeves wrote: »

They probably still worked out cheaper than getting landed to them by some dealer. As well they will come straight from mart to farm not spending a few days in a yard somewhere to be sorted into different batches.

However not all will have been expensive buying. Lads will learn as they go along and learn from there mistakes. Some lads never learn so will make the same mistakes on line as in the mart.

It’s this kinda wheeling and dealing that put me off calves, cattle, dealers, and marts in general. I know some lads are into that side of it but it’s hard if you’re not

cute geoge

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

It’s this kinda wheeling and dealing that put me off calves, cattle, dealers, and marts in general. I know some lads are into that side of it but it’s hard if you’re not

You did not work out too bad your self for a ''anco'' farmer .You had your $100+ out of your aa calves for 5 months keep!!!

Bass Reeves

cute geoge wrote: »

You did not work out too bad your self for a ''anco'' farmer .You had your $100+ out of your aa calves for 5 months keep!!!

Ya but the hard graft is gone out of them it's only s matter of managing cheap weight gain from now on. If you put 180-200kgs on them to late July they be making over the six hundred euro. 150 euro would get them to that in costs.

Siamsa Sessions

cute geoge wrote: »

You did not work out too bad your self for a ''anco'' farmer .You had your $100+ out of your aa calves for 5 months keep!!!

Luck and slogging more than anything else. But there is a few quid in them. They’ll cover some of the losses from the summer grazers I bought off a dealer.

I’ve the calf money and more with it spent already. And the cheque not even lodged yet!

dh1985

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not in its present format. Carbon and continued dairy expansion both indictate that we need a reduction in the Suckler herd and a move to lowering nitrate levels on dairy farms. As well exporting of live calves/weanlings will become under threat. Finally the mainstream dairy processing industry will not tolerate high slaughter level's if calves.

These are not compatible with present levels of suckler cows. How long we can continue with trying to artificially supporting there production is another question

5 years will tell alot for the suckler cow.
Truth be told the dairy guys might not have it all there own way either. In fact the extensively ran suckler herd might be seen as less of an issue that the intensive dairy herd that's spreading nitrogen to beat the band. Is this any more sustainable?

Water John

'He said that in 3-4years marts will be selling.70%+, online and mainly sellers will be in the mart. This may mean that more lads will mover over to longer-term cattle either weanling to finish or light store to finish' Bass

At a weanling sale yesterday, no sellers present and just 20 buyers allowed in. On line sales were very much a minority IWT. Probably take people time to get used to it along with the fact it's usually the older person on the farm who does the buying ATM.

DukeCaboom

Bass Reeves wrote: »

They probably still worked out cheaper than getting landed to them by some dealer. As well they will come straight from mart to farm not spending a few days in a yard somewhere to be sorted into different batches.

However not all will have been expensive buying. Lads will learn as they go along and learn from there mistakes. Some lads never learn so will make the same mistakes on line as in the mart.

I agree with your second paragraph 100% there is no doubt you are right.

But these calves were €100 wrong compared to what I've seen this back end, even say they're €50 wrong. €50 on 15 weanlings would pay for a good bit of diesel. Looks that's just me I'm patient & like to be open to keep picking away.

grange mac

DukeCaboom wrote: »

In skibbereen Friday 70% of the weanling heifers went online. It was on of the dearest sales I saw this year. The worse they were the more they made. I'd love to know what these buyers though of the cattle when they were home a few days.

I bought online in skibb on Friday, can confirm animals on camera bear no resemblance to when dropped to your yard.

Murang

Problem I have with marteye is the details as regard weight,age,number of owner’s you have to press on box to see and not able to see the animals at the same time

Robson99

grange mac wrote: »

I bought online in skibb on Friday, can confirm animals on camera bear no resemblance to when dropped to your yard.

You cannot judge cattle by looking at them on line. It's impossible and it's why thankfully the day of going to the mart to buy livestock will never die. It's mad to think that someone would spend say 1000 on a store without having a look at it in the flesh. Also you cannot judge an animal when it's wedged into a pen with 6 or 7 others. Online might last with covid but it will die a death fairly quickly again IMO unless the lads buying don't care whether he makes money or not

kerry cow

if the animals were graded by a star rating on entry to the pens , would that help sell them online better and fairer to every one .
at the end of the day , every one needs to be looked after the buyer and seller .
I don't think long term robbing anyone is a good thing .

valuer star rates them , it just a idea

morphy87

Robson99 wrote: »

You cannot judge cattle by looking at them on line. It's impossible and it's why thankfully the day of going to the mart to buy livestock will never die. It's mad to think that someone would spend say 1000 on a store without having a look at it in the flesh. Also you cannot judge an animal when it's wedged into a pen with 6 or 7 others. Online might last with covid but it will die a death fairly quickly again IMO unless the lads buying don't care whether he makes money or not

Your right, if buying personally I would have to go to the mart and look myself,maybe it’s only myself but cattle look a lot different on a screen even photos can be very misleading, went to look at a few on done deal before and they looked completely different from their photos,

Water John

If the buyers are not there in person in one place, then why would the cattle need to be? You are then looking at a virtual mart.
Film of the cattle on the farm over the past seven days.

50HX

morphy87 wrote: »

Your right, if buying personally I would have to go to the mart and look myself,maybe it’s only myself but cattle look a lot different on a screen even photos can be very misleading, went to look at a few on done deal before and they looked completely different from their photos,

What i find happening as i've done it myself...drop into the mart to view the cattle, pick out the lots that interest you, leave and be working away at something else

Bid then when lot comes online

Saves a serious amount of hanging around

Downside is you loose the social side of it

ruwithme

Ah you have to be there or you will miss the chance of a bit of value. Thats what it's all about at the end of the day.

Let's get this oul covid done with and back to the crowded ringside. What do you reckon Albert?

Base price

We bought a good few online since March. We've been caught with a few in terms of quality with calves but we're happy overall with older cattle.

TBH I've been looking at a lot of online night sales in the last 5 months from different marts around the country. As a animal enters the ring I try to estimate the weight before the details are put up to try and train my eye in, iykwim. Ring size, camera angle and sunlight/lighting are very important along with scrutinising the animal as it walks into the ring (overall demeanour/lameness/bag of milk/mastitis/brown snout etc) whilst listening to the auctioneer at the same time.
Online mart sales suits us as we don't have the time to stand in a mart for half or all the day.

Dunedin

Base price wrote: »

. As a animal enters the ring I try to estimate the weight before the details are put up to try and train my eye in, iykwim.

Glad to hear that I’m not the only one that does this.

I’d say probably 80-90% I’d be fairly close but then one comes in and I’d be a long way out in both price and weight.

Hard to judge on line. If there was a system that allowed viewing in the mart beforehand and then head off and buy on line later then that’d be the winner all day long.

Jb1989

Dunedin wrote: »

Glad to hear that I’m not the only one that does this.

I’d say probably 80-90% I’d be fairly close but then one comes in and I’d be a long way out in both price and weight.

Hard to judge on line. If there was a system that allowed viewing in the mart beforehand and then head off and buy on line later then that’d be the winner all day long.

That's the way its done all around here. 1 hour viewing window that morning

Anto_Meath

Over 600 bullocks in Carnaross today I see, the on line is ok for viewing single cattle, you just cant judge groups on it. Can pick out the doggy one. Was looking at a mart on Friday night, the ring is small in it and the cattle looked very big in it, got it hard to judge the weights in it.

Water John

Know some buyers were as happy with the mart closed. Bought directly on farm.

Albert Johnson

ruwithme wrote: »

Ah you have to be there or you will miss the chance of a bit of value. Thats what it's all about at the end of the day.

Let's get this oul covid done with and back to the crowded ringside. What do you reckon Albert?

It's a new experience for everyone and although I'm not fully sold on the whole concept of online bidding it has allowed the marts to continue trading. If a similar situation had arose let's say 10 year's ago it would almost certainly have been far worse for the livestock trade and the marts.

I haven't spent much time watching online sales simply because I'm currently spending 6 days a week working in the marts so it's the last thing I want to see in my (limited) free time. However I agree that it's very hard to judge cattle solely from a livestream particularly with intermittent picture and audio signal. As Base mentioned above factors such as camera elevation, lighting ect can cause distortion of your viewpoint. I wouldn't buy cattle unseen off the phone but I'd generally be buying continental type stock where quality would be important. If I was buying dairy bred stock simply off a price per head then I'd have less reservations as quality wouldn't be as big an issue.

I've always enjoyed the social aspect of the marts and I've gotten to know a lot of people through daily or weekly interactions with them. For many older farmer's in particular the mart was one of a limited selection of social outlets for them. For this reason I still believe that once Covid restrictions are eased that there'll still be plenty of mart attendees in the medium term.

For the first few weeks of lockdown it was very strange to see business being conducted with an empty ringside. It definitely was a change and tbh I did notice the difference in atmosphere when buyer's and sellers returned to the rails. It's undoubtedly easier to work in a mart when it's only fellow staff on-site and you haven't to be watching out for members of the public. However it's also not the same without the usual banter between everyone and I would prefer and expect to see a mixture of ringside and online bidding in eventual post Covid times.

Albert Johnson

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Over 600 bullocks in Carnaross today I see, the on line is ok for viewing single cattle, you just cant judge groups on it. Can pick out the doggy one. Was looking at a mart on Friday night, the ring is small in it and the cattle looked very big in it, got it hard to judge the weights in it.

It didn't happen to be the bull weanlings in Drumshanbo you were watching? The size of the ring and the camera placement can make a big difference to how stock appear imo. In a small ring the camera is usually looking directly down on the animal as opposed to being more level with them in a bigger ring. Father Ted's analysis of "small and far away" comes to mind. I also find that if you know the layout of the mart in question it's easier to gauge the animal compared to it's surroundings where as if you've never stood in the mart it's impossible to do this.

Water John

Albert Johnson wrote: »

It didn't happen to be the bull weanlings in Drumshanbo you were watching? The size of the ring and the camera placement can make a big difference to how stock appear imo. In a small ring the camera is usually looking directly down on the animal as opposed to being more level with them in a bigger ring. Father Ted's analysis of "small and far away" comes to mind. I also find that if you know the layout of the mart in question it's easier to gauge the animal compared to it's surroundings where as if you've never stood in the mart it's impossible to do this.

Park a Ferguson 20 in the ring.

Anto_Meath

Albert Johnson wrote: »

It didn't happen to be the bull weanlings in Drumshanbo you were watching? The size of the ring and the camera placement can make a big difference to how stock appear imo. In a small ring the camera is usually looking directly down on the animal as opposed to being more level with them in a bigger ring. Father Ted's analysis of "small and far away" comes to mind. I also find that if you know the layout of the mart in question it's easier to gauge the animal compared to it's surroundings where as if you've never stood in the mart it's impossible to do this.

Hi Albert no it was Cootehill mart I was watching, always found it a wee bit harder to judge the weight of cattle in it for some reason even in the yard itself. Carnaross finished up there at 11 pm long day selling cattle 12 hrs. Just seen the last few sold and they made good enough prices, I am guessing that's where the on line would come into its own, in the big October marts cattle would always slip back a bit late on in the evening but that didn't happen tonight. Looking through the prices for the day it seemed a good trade only cattle that appear to be missed were the dealers cattle & the prices they were missed at weren't all adding up. Notice that a bit with the on line some of the dealers cattle are opening at prices they should be selling at.

Albert Johnson

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Hi Albert no it was Cootehill mart I was watching, always found it a wee bit harder to judge the weight of cattle in it for some reason even in the yard itself. Carnaross finished up there at 11 pm long day selling cattle 12 hrs. Just seen the last few sold and they made good enough prices, I am guessing that's where the on line would come into its own, in the big October marts cattle would always slip back a bit late on in the evening but that didn't happen tonight. Looking through the prices for the day it seemed a good trade only cattle that appear to be missed were the dealers cattle & the prices they were missed at weren't all adding up. Notice that a bit with the on line some of the dealers cattle are opening at prices they should be selling at.

I agree that the online bidding would be a help with larger sales as lads might be more inclined to sit watching it from the comfort of home rather than standing around a ringside for hour after hour. Usually fella's get restless as the day goes on and they'll often head home when they have the trailer filled. If they could bid from the comfort of there own home they might buy a lorry load and send someone on to collect them.

Of course the dealer's will try to use the online bidding to there advantage the same as everything else. However the name of the game is to keep stock moving and unless you can do that your on a hiding to nothing. Unless your watching the carry-on every week it can be hard to follow ringside politics.

early_riser

Is marteye not working at the min or is it just me? App won't load and have 4g internet connection

Base price

early_riser wrote: »

Is marteye not working at the min or is it just me? App won't load and have 4g internet connection

Working here on the phone.

early_riser

App still won't load right but able to watch it on marteye website no prob

Anto_Meath

Yes the ringside politics of the dealers at a mart can be worth watching, I do laugh seeing they all working through one another yet if you are talking to one of them the other lad is only a "Prick". Some of them seem to think they are too clever for the average lad at the mart. Most on line marts seem to be able to sell a lot a minute which is good going in fairness.

Bass Reeves

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Yes the ringside politics of the dealers at a mart can be worth watching, I do laugh seeing they all working through one another yet if you are talking to one of them the other lad is only a "Prick". Some of them seem to think they are too clever for the average lad at the mart. Most on line marts seem to be able to sell a lot a minute which is good going in fairness.

Another invocation would be to let online bidders open the bidding. This could be done by putting an option opening price for online 20% below the starting bidding price if it not open by then around the ring online can open.

Anto_Meath

I know one dealer with a few online accounts and he is opening the his own cattle on line, everything is opening at around €2:10 even some black whiteheads, then you look an you see all his cattle are missed...

Panch18

I think that the online buyers should have their name announced as the purchaser to help reduce the kind of shenanigans that can and are going on.

Or better still you can see who the online bidder is in real time

Bass Reeves

Anto_Meath wrote: »

I know one dealer with a few online accounts and he is opening the his own cattle on line, everything is opening at around €2:10 even some black whiteheads, then you look an you see all his cattle are missed...

There are a family on the Kerry/Limerick border at that crack without online. They used to open the cattle and bid fast. If you had the misfortune to counter bid you got landed with them. One time I got in on the early bidding and stopped at 440euro they bid them to 550 without any other bid I bought them after for the 440. Lads selling was on about the price he was getting. I told him he should have sold them at that.

Dozer1

Know em well Bass...they have some amount of cattle between them all, donedeal is loaded with their cattle aswell.

Jb1989

early_riser wrote: »

Is marteye not working at the min or is it just me? App won't load and have 4g internet connection

Mine glitching too. Deleted and reinstalled. OK now

tanko

Jb1989 wrote: »

Mine glitching too. Deleted and reinstalled. OK now

How do you delete it?

Jb1989

tanko wrote: »

How do you delete it?

Held it down on phone screen till it deleted, then got it new in the app store again

tanko

Thanks, that worked,

jimini0

Young fella Just watching sheep sale in ballina. He loves the online marts. One man straight infront of the camera with mask down under his chin. For the sake of the marts the manager should insist on him wearing it properly or at least move away from the camera.

adne

Anto_Meath wrote: »

I know one dealer with a few online accounts and he is opening the his own cattle on line, everything is opening at around €2:10 even some black whiteheads, then you look an you see all his cattle are missed...

Cattle movements based on age or days in herd are a good indicator to dealers stock!!