Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

cletus

TireeTerror wrote: »

My friend Ian Heinisch is fighting this weekend on Dana Whites Contender series. So looking forward to it and hoping he gets a contract from the UFC is he gets a win.

Some of you may remember I got him to make a video shouting out to boardsies a while back.

Great job by your mate. Thought he was a bit reckless with the jumping knee, and I was really willing him to switch for the triangle, but fantastic ground and pound from the top.

Good job getting the contract on a night of very good fights

Mellor

cletus wrote: »

Great job by your mate. Thought he was a bit reckless with the jumping knee, and I was really willing him to switch for the triangle, but fantastic ground and pound from the top.

Good job getting the contract on a night of very good fights

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arybvtcw0eolkf

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

They don't. Most of them.have full-time jobs or are on the rock and roll. They're getting paid buttons by bellator too. Only SBG lad at bellator making ok money is Jimmy and even he isn't making much.

Just as a matter of interest what kind of money are these lads making?.

TireeTerror

cletus wrote: »

Great job by your mate. Thought he was a bit reckless with the jumping knee, and I was really willing him to switch for the triangle, but fantastic ground and pound from the top.

Good job getting the contract on a night of very good fights

Yeah the knee was a risky move alright! I wonder if the desire to get the job done in style knowing Dana is sitting there with contracts at the ready alter your thinking.

He hasnt been on his personal facebook yet, its the same after every fight, he normally comes on and we can chat a day or two later once the madness has subsided. My cats jumped up in a panic as I was screaming at the tv this morning! What a buzz, I was nearly crying with joy!

The fight is here.

https://www.mma-core.com/videos/Ian_Heinisch_vs_Justin_Sumter_Full_Fight_DWTNCS_Season_2_Week_7/10235700

Subcomandante Marcos

Abdiel Loud Thud wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest what kind of money are these lads making?.

Few grand a fight a few times year. With bellator if you're not on the main card You're probably lucky to break even after a proper training camp.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Few grand a fight a few times year. With bellator if you're not on the main card You're probably lucky to break even after a proper training camp.

Yup, should have just googled it.. Thanks

I've been out of the MMA scene for a few years now and my curiosity was tweaked last night.

Thanks again

dashoonage

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1026513143198097413

now we will see that this MVP is all about...

what a ****ing line up of fights though lads.

Subcomandante Marcos

I'm guessing that's Neimen Gracie and not Ralek?

Paully D

Daley v MVP has to be in London, right?

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I'm guessing that's Neimen Gracie and not Ralek?

Knowing Belator it's possibly Renzo after win last week

Tazzimus

Mellor wrote: »

Knowing Belator it's possibly Helio

Fixed that for you

califano

https://twitter.com/MMAConnectTV/status/1028992920769228802

iebamm2580

probably going to get slated for this but is it just me or do some of the irish guys come across as complete pr**ks compared to alot of other mma fighters, i know they have to be somewhat cocky but the likes of gallagher, ward and a few more seem very unlikable.

ASOT

Lads Ray Cooper III is on a tear in PFL, absolutely smashed Jake Shields and won again last night in 18 seconds. His style is class basically walk forward and throw short hooks and uppercuts with some power in them.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/8/17/17702370/pfl-6-results-raymond-cooper-iii-snags-no-1-seed-with-18-second-tko-kayla-harrison-remains-unbeaten

EagererBeaver

ASOT wrote: »

Lads Ray Cooper III is on a tear in PFL, absolutely smashed Jake Shields and won again last night in 18 seconds. His style is class basically walk forward and throw short hooks and uppercuts with some power in them.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/8/17/17702370/pfl-6-results-raymond-cooper-iii-snags-no-1-seed-with-18-second-tko-kayla-harrison-remains-unbeaten

Haven't seen the Fields fight but there's nothing particularly impressive in those 18 seconds - just wild swinging.

ASOT

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Haven't seen the Fields fight but there's nothing particularly impressive in those 18 seconds - just wild swinging.

Watch the Shields fight he dismantled him. Id agree there's nothing amazing but the power of the body shot stood out. He's top seed now going into the play offs; I'm enjoying PFLs format.

Zero-Cool

Well that was ****ing vicious.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1030657233363890176?s=19

rob316

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Few grand a fight a few times year. With bellator if you're not on the main card You're probably lucky to break even after a proper training camp.

It's the sponsorship they are cleaning up on. Unlike UFC they are free to put as many names in their fight gear as they want.

Gallagher is meant to be on a good contract, 25k a fight I think.

Mellor

rob316 wrote: »

It's the sponsorship they are cleaning up on. Unlike UFC they are free to put as many names in their fight gear as they want

I doubt guys on Belator undercards are cleaning up with sponsors on their shorts.

ricero

Hooefully Gallagher will keep the mouth shut after that. Cant say i feel sorry for him

Dtp1979

ricero wrote: »

Hooefully Gallagher will keep the mouth shut after that. Cant say i feel sorry for him

I doubt many will.

dulux99

Haha. I don't give a f*ck, I'm delighted to see him get beat. Hopefully the sweet chin music might knock a bit of sense into him

xtal191

Delighted he got beat, very unlikable fella

fitzparker

Overall the bets are in backing against SBG fighters. They talk themselves into being favourites ( so there oppoments become good odds)but not really backing it up. Bar conor it's an average gym. Not Knocking them as it's a great achievement and something to be proud off to have so many fighters in top MMA associations but for most it's a step too far.

WanderlustIre

xtal191 wrote: »

Delighted he got beat, very unlikable fella

My sentiments exactly hahah. He needs to mature form this

Porthallian

xtal191 wrote: »

Delighted he got beat, very unlikable fella

Actually met him once. He taught a jiu jitsu class in SBG Strabane and he couldn't have been nicer. It's a real shame he's taken all the worst aspects of Conor's persona to build his name.

Subcomandante Marcos

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Well that was ****ing vicious.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1030657233363890176?s=19

Looooong over due.

LollipopJimmy

I just made your years salary... Yeah, if you're working for deliveroo and have no bike

WanderlustIre

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I just made your years salary... Yeah, if you're working for deliveroo and have no bike

Did he say that

LollipopJimmy

In his tweet he said something along the lines of, 'For those who are glad, I just made your years salary'

dulux99

Haha and now he's giving it the "no excuses" lark. Saying that someone who dropped you, then wobbled you, then sparked you clean out hit you with a "lucky shot" sounds like an excuse to me pal

sc86

very enjoyable

Autecher

Ricky's post fight interview. This man is actually Dave Franco.

bur

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Well that was ****ing vicious.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1030657233363890176?s=19

bump.

James suffers from the same issue as a lot of SBG fighters, which is that they try to copy Conor's striking style without the basic striking foundation which Conor had before even joining SBG.

Without any fundamentals - the basics of distance, footwork, traps etc - you've got these young guys dancing around, switching stances, dropping their hands, acting cocky. It's like building a fancy house on quicksand.

And SBG can't give these guys the foundation they need. They're simply not capable of it.

JohnMc1

xtal191 wrote: »

Delighted he got beat, very unlikable fella

One very important thing these Conor wannabes need to remember. Conor does turn the gimmick off after the fight.

JoeyJJ

I see Ariel has him in studio tomorrow.

TerrorFirmer

Was glad to see him get knocked out. He's a straight to DVD Conor McGregor in the worst way possible....no-one envies your success, but jesus be your own person, and stop trying to build your career on being the MMA equivalent of Steven Segal.

JoeyJJ

Hard to listen to him for too long. He is smart you know...

dulux99

In any other sport the young competitors would be encouraged to keep their feet on the ground and not celebrate too much too soon. In SBG it seems like they win on a few local shows and they rush to buy new Gucci slides and show them off on Instagram ASAP, just like Conor does. The difference is Conor has conquered the sport. Easy for me to say but I reckon SBG need to enlist a top class sports psychologist to work with these lads because they’re going nowhere yet think they’re on top of the world. Gallagher is screaming for a rematch with Bandejas but if he gets that rematch he’s just going to get starched again and then he’a really in the sh*t.

MartyMcFly84

Its true a lot of younger fighters are following Conor's blue print.

Why would they not? They train closely with him and Conor is the only fighter from Ireland to make a real living out of MMA and also be arguably the most recognised sports personality in the world.

Its a pretty common thing to do across all walks to life, to follow and try and replicate someone who was successful in that field before you.

WanderlustIre

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Hard to listen to him for too long. He is smart you know...

Lads if I wasn't just back from multiple bans I'd give my opinion of him.

dulux99

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Its true a lot of younger fighters are following the a following Conor's blue print.

Why would they not? They train closely with him and Conor is the only fighter from Ireland to make a real living out of MMA and also be arguably the most recognised sports personality in the world.

Its a pretty common thing to do across all walks to life, to follow and try and replicate someone who was successful in that field before you.

Replicate his work inside the gym of course. Replicate his persona outside the gym…why? Just be yourself. It’s obvious these guys do not make the money that they pretend they do. I don’t want to name names but just last night a SBG lad who lost his last fight in Bamma had a post up about how he loves fine Italian silks. Total nonsense.

JoeyJJ

McGregor was confident when at his stage, cocky etc. However didn't have a platform like Gallagher has at present. This attitude gets attention however you need to be top 10 guy to get away with it. He isn't yet.

McGregor was top of the IRE/UK/EU circuit and his marketing was limited to that so he was fine saying he was going to be this and that.

dulux99

JoeyJJ wrote: »

McGregor was confident when at his stage, cocky etc. However didn't have a platform like Gallagher has at present. This attitude gets attention however you need to be top 10 guy to get away with it. He isn't yet.

McGregor was top of the IRE/UK/EU circuit and his marketing was limited to that so he was fine saying he was going to be this and that.

It was genuine with him though. These lads are just trying a copy and paste job and trying to be exactly like him, and doing a piss poor imitation.

D.Q

He even copies his laugh. Its beyond pathetic. It's like a child playing make believe out on the road.

EagererBeaver

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Its true a lot of younger fighters are following the a following Conor's blue print.

Why would they not? They train closely with him and Conor is the only fighter from Ireland to make a real living out of MMA and also be arguably the most recognised sports personality in the world.

Its a pretty common thing to do across all walks to life, to follow and try and replicate someone who was successful in that field before you.

This is the myth that people continue to fall for. McGregor is a success because he's a brilliant fighter who is expertly coached and worked his way up over time. He had what, like 14/15 fights before making it to the UFC?

His brashness and ego was built on and enabled by his success as a fighter, thus allowing him to build a brand, get rich etc.

The rest of these lads, by and large, have nothing to shout about from a competitive standpoint. They're no different from the of thousands of MMA fighters worldwide. Yet they get on as if they're superstars, with no credibility to it whatsoever. Many of them are on the dole ffs.

darced

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MartyMcFly84

Conor was always cocky. Even when he was 17 and before he had a single MMA fight.

Many of the "pro" fights on Irish fighters records from the early days of MMA here were not full pro rules fights . With the old C, B ,A class system many experienced Irish fighters never had amateur fights and their pro fights were really under what is now amateur rules.

Alot of what worked for Conor was the mental projection. Dressing and acting like the lifestyle he wants to have . Another way to say it would be "dress for the job you want to have not for the job you have".

The more economically prudent would disagree with that, but it worked for Conor so it is natural others following in his path want to emulate the same steps to success.

dulux99

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Conor was always cocky. Even when he was 17 and before he had a single MMA fight.

Many of the "pro" fights on Irish fighters records from the early days of MMA here were not full pro rules fights . With the old C, B ,A class system many experienced Irish fighters never had amateur fights and their pro fights were really under what is now amateur rules.  

Alot of what worked for Conor was the mental projection. Dressing and acting like the lifestyle he wants to have . Another way to say it would be "dress for the job you want to have not for the job you have".

The more economically prudent would disagree with that, but it worked for Conor so it is natural others following in his path want to emulate the same steps to success.

Granted I think you know Conor personally so you’ll know better than I do, but I seem to remember him being quite open about how skint he was until he made it to the UFC? ‘We don’t have a pot to piss in’ was his famous line on the MMA hour. Driving a banged up old 206 which I think was Dee’s, as he didn’t even have a car.
 
I just feel like the SBG lads equate success in MMA = being able to shop for runners in Brown Thomas. It’s a terrible mentality to have at the beginning of a sporting career. The guys who make it are the guys who want to achieve things in a sporting sense, and I just don’t see that in any of them. Especially Gallagher. From day 1 he was all about the fancy watches and all that sh*te. Take Darren Till for example – he’s not much older than James and he’s said many times he couldn’t care less about the money side of it (for now anyway) and he wants to achieve things in the sport first and foremost.