Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread

_blaaz

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is that the reason fendt is more economical with diesel

Its more to do with power to weight ratio imo

Waffletraktor

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is that the reason fendt is more economical with diesel

They stole a mark in the early 00's with the first to have fancy power management software to pull back revs when not needed(tms) but not anymore, have horrific engine issues that's kept hush hush. Ie most of the bigger modeled 900's from the last s4 series have had engine rebuilds at 4-5k hurs and is why Agco finally went back to Man away from cheaper Deutz units.

kevthegaff

visatorro wrote: »

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is that the reason fendt is more economical with diesel

Hard to nail down a definite answer to that really with good engines etc.

Are you looking to upgrade?!

Nah just curious

Muckit

davidk1394 wrote: »

Let’s hope the rain stays away

Do you up end the bales off the wrapper? Probably a great job if not getting to them for a few days and using the soft hands

davidk1394

Muckit wrote: »

Do you up end the bales off the wrapper? Probably a great job if not getting to them for a few days and using the soft hands

Yeah, I find it’s a good job. Drawing them in straight away aswell Incase this down pour comes. I find the soft hands great. You can handle bales a lot quicker than the standard bale grab. It’s great on the digger because you have the extra weight on the back

Waffletraktor

Waffletraktor wrote: »

They stole a mark in the early 00's with the first to have fancy power management software to pull back revs when not needed(tms) but not anymore, have horrific engine issues that's kept hush hush. Ie most of the bigger modeled 900's from the last s4 series have had engine rebuilds at 4-5k hurs and is why Agco finally went back to Man away from cheaper Deutz units.

On the above similar to Davek's issue on his deere powered claas our 210r(same series engine) has needed a turbo, but otherwise mostly reliable.
It's not unknown for Fendt 700 and 900(deutz powered) series owners of the last s3/4 ranges to be nudged to monitor engine oil use daily and once it reaches a threshold go in for 'upgrades'.
Our 620 is in for it's second engine rebuild/clutch packs(when case decide to pay for it) as dealer agreed it's down on power. The previous cummins pre adbue had the raw power to go at late teens rpm while adblue fiatpt engines need to be ran at 2100rpm to generate the same torque/power and got to the stage it'd stall before popping the trany to neutral at a certain load which it should do to protect it's self normally.

Waffletraktor

davidk1394 wrote: »

Yeah, I find it’s a good job. Drawing them in straight away aswell Incase this down pour comes. I find the soft hands great. You can handle bales a lot quicker than the standard bale grab. It’s great on the digger because you have the extra weight on the back

Fancy led lights on the digger so you can see better?

Nekarsulm

blue5000 wrote: »

Instead of gears with teeth the gearbox has variable speed pulleys and belts. One pulley squeezes together and the other pulley sides open out to change the speed of the output shaft. The belts wear, maybe that's why they're cheaper at high hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEq5_b4LWNY

Ford put exactly that type of continuously variable ratio transmission into their "automatic" gearbox Fiestas a few years ago..
A kind of woven steel belt running between two vario pulleys, all oil immersed.
Wasn't a great success.

selectamatic

The Toyota cvt box is of the same principle.

It has proven to be an exceptionally reliable and efficient transmission over the last number of years.

As of yet though I don't think any car/van/suv manufacturer has made a cvt that would be rated to tow over 2 tonne.

X6.430macman

Waffletraktor wrote:

On the above similar to Davek's issue on his deere powered claas our 210r(same series engine) has needed a turbo, but otherwise mostly reliable. It's not unknown for Fendt 700 and 900(deutz powered) series owners of the last s3/4 ranges to be nudged to monitor engine oil use daily and once it reaches a threshold go in for 'upgrades'. Our 620 is in for it's second engine rebuild/clutch packs(when case decide to pay for it) as dealer agreed it's down on power. The previous cummins pre adbue had the raw power to go at late teens rpm while adblue fiatpt engines need to be ran at 2100rpm to generate the same torque/power and got to the stage it'd stall before popping the trany to neutral at a certain load which it should do to protect it's self normally.

Yes I agree there, there's a Cummins 535 here and it's unbelievable to pull, the 550 isn't near the power of the 535.

While on the subject of cvt I've a stupid question... Is it possible to set all of them up the drive on the throttle alone. I drove a challenger 645D (Massey 8600??) that had a cvt and couldn't figure out how to set it up to drive that way, when coming down to a junction I would just pull it back manually... I know this probably isn't right as doing it abruptly makes a less than pleasant sound from the tranny

Grueller

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts115a/22116791

What do we think? Genuine or a complete scam? 280hrs on that tractor sounds fishy to me.

MickeyShtyles

Grueller wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts115a/22116791

What do we think? Genuine or a complete scam? 280hrs on that tractor sounds fishy to me.

Bit fishy for an 15 yr old tractor to have 280hrs...
We’ve an 2011 with just over 500 but I know where it’s been.

wrangler

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Bit fishy for an 15 yr old tractor to have 280hrs...
We’ve an 2011 with just over 500 but I know where it’s been.

I've a 2016 tractor here with 8hrs after the dash being replaced

maidhc

Grueller wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts115a/22116791

What do we think? Genuine or a complete scam? 280hrs on that tractor sounds fishy to me.

"Barn Find" you would wonder about the guy who parked a 65k tractor in the "barn" and forgot it.

My '00 TS115 does so little I worry it will get forgotten about in the back of the shed at times, but it still has 5600hrs on the clock.

ganmo

there was a similar tractor a while back that LH was able to confirm was genuine, could it be the same machine?

GrasstoMilk

Grueller wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts115a/22116791

What do we think? Genuine or a complete scam? 280hrs on that tractor sounds fishy to me.

It certainly looks like a tractor that has done very little but that can be done with a bit of paint and elbow grease

Donald Trump

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

It certainly looks like a tractor that has done very little but that can be done with a bit of paint and elbow grease

You'd have to imagine though that 280hrs would be easy to spot for a mechanic at least. There shouldn't be a bit of wear on it at all. Tyres should be 95%. And replaced parts would be a giveaway. Paint should be gone off moving/rubbing parts, but not excessively so. There is a little bit of paint gone from the pick-up hitch but nothing from the PTO from the photos. If the entire back linkage was clear so as to have either never been used, or repainted, and there is no loader on it, then you'd have to question what it was doing to put up even the 240 hours if there is no wear at all to the paint. And if it was resprayed, then that's a whole other ball game.


If it was 2000 hrs it would still be low hours but with a plausible explanation for any wear and tear.


If you were going to clock it, you'd set it to 2000 rather than 280 I'd say!


The question is, what would pay for it? I would say you'd have to look at the very best of a similar aged one with lowest plausibly normal hours and then add a bit of a premium on top of that. I wouldn't add a huge premium though. Maybe 10-20%?


As for forgetting about it for 15 years....not really plausible except in exceptional circumstances - original owner died and farm was let out for 15 years or something. Perhaps it might be left in a shed for 15 years if you had a "loan" of it and you wanted to wait until the owner forgot about it (or you managed to find nice new reg details for it!)

Muckit

I've 03 tractor here with 1700hrs on clock. Bought in 06 with 300hrs. Small beef farm.

A lot of my maintenance issues are from things sticking/rusting/rubber perishing etc rather than ftom parts getting worn out!!

White Clover

Muckit wrote: »

I've 03 tractor here with 1700hrs on clock. Bought in 06 with 300hrs. Small beef farm.

A lot of my maintenance issues are from things sticking/rusting/rubber perishing etc rather than ftom parts getting worn out!!

Similar story here, I have an 04 tractor with 1900 hours. Bought 5 years ago with 800 hours on the clock. 2 other older tractors on the farm here too.

Grueller

Muckit wrote: »

I've 03 tractor here with 1700hrs on clock. Bought in 06 with 300hrs. Small beef farm.

A lot of my maintenance issues are from things sticking/rusting/rubber perishing etc rather than ftom parts getting worn out!!

Bet she is not a 115hp, 6 cylinder unit though.

emaherx

Donald Trump wrote: »

As for forgetting about it for 15 years....not really plausible except in exceptional circumstances - original owner died and farm was let out for 15 years or something. Perhaps it might be left in a shed for 15 years if you had a "loan" of it and you wanted to wait until the owner forgot about it (or you managed to find nice new reg details for it!)

It's not impossible though.

https://youtu.be/xuX2nV0gSOU

https://www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/massey-ferguson-135-five-hours-work-in-35-years

https://discuss.machinerypete.com/t/1983-jd-8820-combine-with-0-sep-hours-to-sell-at-auction/1169

Waffletraktor

X6.430macman wrote: »

While on the subject of cvt I've a stupid question... Is it possible to set all of them up the drive on the throttle alone. I drove a challenger 645D (Massey 8600??) that had a cvt and couldn't figure out how to set it up to drive that way, when coming down to a junction I would just pull it back manually... I know this probably isn't right as doing it abruptly makes a less than pleasant sound from the tranny

It’s a button with (foot throttle)/(gear shifter) emblems on it. Though the Challenger set up may be cheapened down as that’s the brand they push in South America/Eastern Europe/states/Ozzie rather than higher euro spec type stuff.

Say my name

The future is now.

https://twitter.com/ManureProf/status/1138820987762483201?s=20

tractorporn

Some high class messing going on here!


https://twitter.com/willy_ledger/status/1138539975874678784?s=09

Buford T. Justice XIX

Donald Trump wrote: »

You'd have to imagine though that 280hrs would be easy to spot for a mechanic at least. There shouldn't be a bit of wear on it at all. Tyres should be 95%. And replaced parts would be a giveaway. Paint should be gone off moving/rubbing parts, but not excessively so. There is a little bit of paint gone from the pick-up hitch but nothing from the PTO from the photos. If the entire back linkage was clear so as to have either never been used, or repainted, and there is no loader on it, then you'd have to question what it was doing to put up even the 240 hours if there is no wear at all to the paint. And if it was resprayed, then that's a whole other ball game.


If it was 2000 hrs it would still be low hours but with a plausible explanation for any wear and tear.


If you were going to clock it, you'd set it to 2000 rather than 280 I'd say!


The question is, what would pay for it? I would say you'd have to look at the very best of a similar aged one with lowest plausibly normal hours and then add a bit of a premium on top of that. I wouldn't add a huge premium though. Maybe 10-20%?


As for forgetting about it for 15 years....not really plausible except in exceptional circumstances - original owner died and farm was let out for 15 years or something. Perhaps it might be left in a shed for 15 years if you had a "loan" of it and you wanted to wait until the owner forgot about it (or you managed to find nice new reg details for it!)

I know of a 150+hp JD with full autosteer tech sitting in a shed with 11 years now. Hasn't moved at all since a few weeks after buying.

roosterman71

Hello everybody

visatorro wrote: »

Case CVX is meant to be a great yoke.
Fendt are alleged to be the dogs bollox but as dawg says poor operater will **** up anything.
Great comfort with anyway vario. It's a mix of automatic and hydrostatic.

Maybe rooster man might comment on how him and the old lad are getting on with their vario box.

I'm only too glad to give input here, cos, let's be honest, I pure love me tractor!
So the Vario is the only way anything should be driven ever. It's absolutely, the best thing ever. If I only had a right leg, I'd be able to drive the tractor as well as I do now. The clutch is never used apart from turning on the engine (although, sometimes something might happen and ya revert to the old skills of flooring clutch and brake). The father doesn't drive it much. He's still scared ****eless.

X6.430macman wrote: »

Yes I agree there, there's a Cummins 535 here and it's unbelievable to pull, the 550 isn't near the power of the 535.

While on the subject of cvt I've a stupid question... Is it possible to set all of them up the drive on the throttle alone. I drove a challenger 645D (Massey 8600??) that had a cvt and couldn't figure out how to set it up to drive that way, when coming down to a junction I would just pull it back manually... I know this probably isn't right as doing it abruptly makes a less than pleasant sound from the tranny

On the Fendt, this is TMS (Tractor Management System). So the foot peddle that is usually the throttle is used to move the tractor. Push down further = go faster. You can set the engine revs and then the Vario will control the speed. There is a dial that you can set the max speed to so the peddle then will go anywhere between 0 and that max. There are also 2 cruise control settings that you can set and use. For example, I've one cruise control set to MAX. Once I've began to drive on the road, just engage it and sit back. The tractor will rev and accelerate to MAX.

I was spreading slurry yesterday. 2 cruise control speeds set - 6km/h and MAX. Fly down the road at MAX and slow into the field, then engage the slower speed and work away. Then use the peddle to get going back out of the field and engage MAX again. Tractor would never stop moving once tank was filled till it needed to be filled again. Vario gives you comfort and ease for driving.

Any other questions, shout

cjpm

I was thinking that the Fendt salesman would be on shortly

Only messing, glad you're so happy with it

Odelay

tractorporn wrote: »

Some high class messing going on here!


https://twitter.com/willy_ledger/status/1138539975874678784?s=09

I’d run them out of the place.

Base price

tractorporn wrote: »

Some high class messing going on here!


https://twitter.com/willy_ledger/status/1138539975874678784?s=09

I smiled when I saw that video as we had a simular experience last weekend. A near neighbour who keeps sucklers called to the yard and asked OH if we still had the creels of our tipping trailer and could he borrow it. Due to the continuous wet weather he decided not to get his contractor to mow and pit his silage cause he reckoned it wasn't going to be any addition. He took his redundant single chop outta the shed to do the job. After lot of fooks, grinding discs and welding rods the creels were back on the tipping trailer.

Anyway he got his silage pitted and covered on Monday.

Grueller

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/claas-arion-540-cis/22126272

David's tractor?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Odelay wrote: »

I’d run them out of the place.

That lark is better to them than a month in the south of Spain. Pure enjoyment and the silage is just a byproduct.

patsy_mccabe

Guys, Massey 4235 - Back end oil, anyone know what oil it takes? Is it the same oil for the transmission and hydraulics?

hopeso

Grueller wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/claas-arion-540-cis/22126272

David's tractor?

Not sure, on an L reg plate? Well kept tractor for the hours, though.....

davidk1394

Grueller wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/claas-arion-540-cis/22126272

David's tractor?

No mine was a 530 WX reg. That’s for sale with a year or so.

hopeso

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Guys, Massey 4235 - Back end oil, anyone know what oil it takes? Is it the same oil for the transmission and hydraulics?

Super universal tractor oil. Same oil does both....

davidk1394

tractorporn wrote: »

Some high class messing going on here!


https://twitter.com/willy_ledger/status/1138539975874678784?s=09

I’d love to give a day there just for the pure messing and hardship. I’d like to do my own silage with a few friend and a 1905 New Holland harvester.

Donald Trump

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I know of a 150+hp JD with full autosteer tech sitting in a shed with 11 years now. Hasn't moved at all since a few weeks after buying.

Whats the story with it though? Some multi-millionaire hobby farmer?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Donald Trump wrote: »

Whats the story with it though? Some multi-millionaire hobby farmer?

There's a long story there but it involves a bank and off farm investments. I doubt it'll ever do a stroke of work again. Terrible waste:(

GrasstoMilk

Odelay wrote: »

I’d run them out of the place.

By the looks if it its the farmers own machinery and he has gathered up a few young lads to drive.
I would imagine the storey of the day at silage in that farm will be retold for many a year in the pub.
Sure ye cant beat it!

Here's the full video

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1103123309879515&id=349520515239802&sfnsn=mo

9935452

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is that the reason fendt is more economical with diesel

On the grassmen dvds luke furse did a fuel comparison for some magazine.
He put a john deere pumping slurry for a day.
Then the following day put a fendt doing the same job and the fendt was a good bit lighter on fuel at pto work . So kinda rules out vario.

On another grassmen dvd . Mark troy in cork was running vario fendts and masseys. Used to change them at 5k hours because they supposedly gave bother at 6 or 7 k

_blaaz

9935452 wrote: »

On the grassmen dvds luke furse did a fuel comparison for some magazine.
He put a john deere pumping slurry for a day.
Then the following day put a fendt doing the same job and the fendt was a good bit lighter on fuel at pto work . So kinda rules out vario.

On another grassmen dvd . Mark troy in cork was running vario fendts and masseys. Used to change them at 5k hours because they supposedly gave bother at 6 or 7 k

Id imagine vario would come into its own on pto work??


In that it can adjust engine rpm and gearbox settings to suit conditions?
/workload???

maidhc

_blaaz wrote: »

Id imagine vario would come into its own on pto work??


In that it can adjust engine rpm and gearbox settings to suit conditions?
/workload???

Only thing is most engines and machines are designed to work at peak efficiency* at PTO speeds; the engine is just at the right place in the torque curve and the the machine is just running at the right rpm. An operator won't know better than the engineers, even if he/she thinks they do.

*not necessarily the point of the lowest fuel consumption, hence the emergence of 540e etcc.

davidk1394

9935452 wrote: »

On the grassmen dvds luke furse did a fuel comparison for some magazine.
He put a john deere pumping slurry for a day.
Then the following day put a fendt doing the same job and the fendt was a good bit lighter on fuel at pto work . So kinda rules out vario.

On another grassmen dvd . Mark troy in cork was running vario fendts and masseys. Used to change them at 5k hours because they supposedly gave bother at 6 or 7 k

All goes is a little box that sits on top of the transmission in behind the back right hand wheel. It control the flow of oil into the transmission. With the vario you can’t actually blow the transmission his that little box. Fendt say you have to replace the whole lot because it’s a handy little money spinner for them.

Donald Trump

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

There's a long story there but it involves a bank and off farm investments. I doubt it'll ever do a stroke of work again. Terrible waste:(

Maybe he just did up his sums on maintaining John Deeres and figured out it would be better value for money if he just left it in the shed rather than using it

Nekarsulm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I know of a 150+hp JD with full autosteer tech sitting in a shed with 11 years now. Hasn't moved at all since a few weeks after buying.

Could start right up with new batteries, or could be an absolute money pit.
11 years sitting and you wouldn't know what corrosion might have crept into the electrics/electronics and even the gearbox.
Diesel probably like varnish......

Waffletraktor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09dvrLzNGU0
bit of veg.

Limestone Cowboy

Won't miss these out of the meadow.

Say my name

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Won't miss these out of the meadow.

Would there be any restrictions what you can and can't do in the burren?

blue5000

You'll be looking for a load of small ones to fill the holes:D

Limestone Cowboy

Say my name wrote: »

Would there be any restrictions what you can and can't do in the burren?

Ya you need permission from the npws before you can do any work on the SAC ground.