Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread

whelan2

hopeso wrote: »

No bung anywhere?

Can't see one. There's 4 nuts holding the gear box onto the frame. Unless the bung is in one of these. Will look again tomorrow

_blaaz

whelan2 wrote: »

No bung . Just a tiny air breather.

Sometimes theres a dipstick.on breather


Idk about cross gearboxs,but some comer ones are that way anyway

hopeso

whelan2 wrote: »

Can't see one. There's 4 nuts holding the gear box onto the frame. Unless the bung is in one of these. Will look again tomorrow

No, the bung won't be one of them bolts. It should be clearly visible on the back of the gearbox, similar to the gearbox on a topper. With another one on top, as I said. It sounds like your gearbox might be a 'sealed for life' job, if such a gearbox exists. I wonder how many of them are ever checked anyway......

hopeso

_blaaz wrote: »

Sometimes theres a dipstick.on breather


Idk about cross gearboxs,but some comer ones are that way anyway

It could be..... It's very likely that it's a Comer gearbox anyway...

visatorro

whelan2 wrote: »

Anyone know how to check the gear box on a cross agitator for oil?

Ment to be unblockable! How do you find it?

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visatorro wrote: »

whelan2 wrote: »

Anyone know how to check the gear box on a cross agitator for oil?

Ment to be unblockable! How do you find it?

Thats a myth that seems to be doing the rounds. i believe cross themselves say that
We had one for a good few years. .
Got replaced by an abbey which is a better machine. .
The frames on the crosses are known for cracking /breaking too

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

Ment to be unblockable! How do you find it?

Have ours about 18 years. Got bearings done in it a few years ago. Yes it does block . It does what we want it to do.

Never wrestle with pigs

Is a conditioner mower really that much of an advantage over non conditioner? If I knock into 10ft sward for 24 hrs and gather into 20ft before baleing, am I really getting much more wilt with the conditioner mower?

roosterman71

You get the stem broken as it goes through the conditioner which aids wilting. But then it's often left in rows which doesn't help. I cut with a non conditioner and ted it out nearly right after. Going through the tedder will break the stem a bit too and spreads the crop out a bit as well. Find it works great (and gives the father something to do so he feels involved in the whole show which is an added plus)

Reggie.

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Is a conditioner mower really that much of an advantage over non conditioner? If I knock into 10ft sward for 24 hrs and gather into 20ft before baleing, am I really getting much more wilt with the conditioner mower?

Conditioner is needed unless your gonna Ted out straight away from a straight mower. The grass from a straight mower has a habit of welding itself to the ground and any moisture underneath it never dries up

Buford T. Justice XIX

roosterman71 wrote: »

You get the stem broken as it goes through the conditioner which aids wilting. But then it's often left in rows which doesn't help. I cut with a non conditioner and ted it out nearly right after. Going through the tedder will break the stem a bit too and spreads the crop out a bit as well. Find it works great (and gives the father something to do so he feels involved in the whole show which is an added plus)

Has he settled into the Valtra any bit better yet?

White Clover

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Has he settled into the Valtra any bit better yet?

Valtra?? Don't insult the man

roosterman71

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Has he settled into the Valtra any bit better yet?

Buford T. Justice XIX

White Clover wrote: »

Valtra?? Don't insult the man

Ah feck it, thinking of one thing while writing another.

Fendt.

(Isn't it?)

White Clover

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Ah feck it, thinking of one thing while writing another.

Fendt.

(Isn't it?)

Leyland

roosterman71

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Ah feck it, thinking of one thing while writing another.

Fendt.

(Isn't it?)

Tis indeed. It's affectionately known as Trent around my way

White Clover wrote: »

Leyland

Have one of them too. Grand machine too and does it's few jobs around the place when required. Gonna be reddened tomorrow drawing clay

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Has he settled into the Valtra any bit better yet?

He doesn't do much on the FENDT (Valtra ya know, FFS). He keeps telling people he doesn't even know how to start it and ya'd need a degree to use it. Boils my piss when he starts that craic. He doesn't do any real work with it, but will drive around the yard and do a few bits with the loader when required. But for bigger jobs I get summoned home to pilot

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Waffletraktor

Say my name wrote: »

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Another thing Hse bods now want to see on farms is record keeping regards machine maintenace. A large farm in Sw Uk last year had a newish tractor's brakes on a steep bank with a load of silage causing it to run away and drop into sunken lane.
The gps unit linked up to the manufacturers telimetrics recorded the staff skid testing trailers on that tractor by pure chance, with the company and management facing jail and unlimited fines for corporate manslaughter.

Say my name

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Another thing Hse bods now want to see on farms is record keeping regards machine maintenace. A large farm in Sw Uk last year had a newish tractor's brakes on a steep bank with a load of silage causing it to run away and drop into sunken lane.
The gps unit linked up to the manufacturers telimetrics recorded the staff skid testing trailers on that tractor by pure chance, with the company and management facing jail and unlimited fines for corporate manslaughter.

That'll be a maintenance book for each tractor then left on the tractor.

I see my own 2010 tractor the digital clock reads zero when you start her up and sometimes if she's going a while the correct time will come up. Other times it's way off. I'm thinking it's linked somewhere to some satellite or other.

All these gps units you nearly need to be wrapping them in tin foil now and again.

Odelay

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Another thing Hse bods now want to see on farms is record keeping regards machine maintenace. A large farm in Sw Uk last year had a newish tractor's brakes on a steep bank with a load of silage causing it to run away and drop into sunken lane.
The gps unit linked up to the manufacturers telimetrics recorded the staff skid testing trailers on that tractor by pure chance, with the company and management facing jail and unlimited fines for corporate manslaughter.

I’d don’t understand. What does the staff skid testing trailers have to do with the management facing jail?

Waffletraktor

Odelay wrote: »

I’d don’t understand. What does the staff skid testing trailers have to do with the management facing jail?

Ag has 18x's as many deaths as industry and hse are starting to put away the carrots. In court the farm said how they'd serviced everything and checks had been carried out on the equipment, Judge said ye but prove it
The gps recording the sharp acceleration/deacceleration action around the confines of the yard was the only bit of evidence they had as things weren't written down and dated.

_blaaz

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Ag has 18x's as many deaths as industry and hse are starting to put away the carrots. In court the farm said how they'd serviced everything and checks had been carried out on the equipment, Judge said ye but prove it
The gps recording the sharp acceleration/deacceleration action around the confines of the yard was the only bit of evidence they had as things weren't written down and dated.

RSA clamping down to.fcuk around here too....i know a place what sent trucks in for a pre-DOE check and failed because bald tyres/blown bulbs


This caused a full RSA inspection on all their 20 or so trucks as it showed up on their computer than morning walk around inspections werent being done......i could fill several pages of how much they clamping down on trucks since start this year alone


The same is coming down road for tractors etc (personally feel its both a good and bad thing)

whelan2

The RSA call out here every year. They pulled oh up that he hadn't filled in his 6 month check test. He brings his trailers in for pre tests. An awful lot of paperwork tbh

Jlaff

Anyone any thoughts on a welger rp 220 vs a John Deere 578? A local contractor is selling both at the end of the season for similar money. The 578 has 40k bales on the clock and the 220 has around 45k.

Donald Trump

Jlaff wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on a welger rp 220 vs a John Deere 578? A local contractor is selling both at the end of the season for similar money. The 578 has 40k bales on the clock and the 220 has around 45k.

Can't really comment on that JD. I'd be biased from the older ones I used to see in this area (which were mainly 5X4's belt balers). Welgers would have been the only show in town back then as regards silage if you wanted to do any serious numbers of bales.


I'd say an important consideration might be ease of getting parts. It has been a bit more difficult to get parts for the Welgers the last few years. Fellas who used to sell them had then taken off them with the switch to Lely. I think that Lely are now themselves under Agco and more or less rebranded now as MF (although I think there is also a Fendt baler under them too). I don't know whether this is universal but a fella we bought Welgers off no longer does them and neither do some of the next closest (geographically) competitors who used to do them.....he'll still get the parts in alright, he just won't tend to have them in stock.

Jlaff

I wouldn’t be too concerned about spares for either. There seems to a lot of these been broken for spares around and I’m told the lely/Massey dealer near me still sells welger parts.
I seen both of these baling yesterday in the same field. Both made good bales. I would be leaning towards the 578 since it’s a bit newer do

maidhc

Jlaff wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on a welger rp 220 vs a John Deere 578? A local contractor is selling both at the end of the season for similar money. The 578 has 40k bales on the clock and the 220 has around 45k.

I have a Deere 575 for the past 8 years. I think it is a great baler. It makes very solid bales, and has pretty decent throughput for a 20 year old machine. The 578 is very similar in design; indeed mine got a 578 rear door at some stage in its life and a few 578 rollers which are of stronger design than the 575.

Faults:

• Can be hard to bale very dry hay/straw as the bale can stop turning
• Rear door can come loose in them and it gets strained (hence the 578 door on mine)
• bits can break off the rotor and the comb, but easily fixed
• Has a reversing rotor to unblock, which should be treated with the greatest of respect or the gearbox could be destroyed
• Known to go on fire if the bearing under the auto oiler tank heats

I only do about 1000 bales a year, but it does the trick admirably and makes a very solid bale.

Jlaff

Thanks for the reply. I would do around a 1000 every year as well. I try to get a few hundred in hay if I can so trouble with hay might be a problem. I heard something before that the gearbox/shafts can give trouble on the 578

Nekarsulm

Guy beside me has a 575 and it makes a great bale.
Bit of hassle with the rubber roller that feeds the net wrap this year, its getting worn.
He mentioned something about a dusting of talcum powder to solve the problem?

maidhc

Jlaff wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. I would do around a 1000 every year as well. I try to get a few hundred in hay if I can so trouble with hay might be a problem. I heard something before that the gearbox/shafts can give trouble on the 578

I made 155 bales of dry hay on Thursday evening, only once did the bale stop so I don't think it is a huge issue

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maidhc wrote: »

Jlaff wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on a welger rp 220 vs a John Deere 578? A local contractor is selling both at the end of the season for similar money. The 578 has 40k bales on the clock and the 220 has around 45k.

I have a Deere 575 for the past 8 years. I think it is a great baler. It makes very solid bales, and has pretty decent throughput for a 20 year old machine. The 578 is very similar in design; indeed mine got a 578 rear door at some stage in its life and a few 578 rollers which are of stronger design than the 575.

Faults:

• Can be hard to bale very dry hay/straw as the bale can stop turning
• Rear door can come loose in them and it gets strained (hence the 578 door on mine)
• bits can break off the rotor and the comb, but easily fixed
• Has a reversing rotor to unblock, which should be treated with the greatest of respect or the gearbox could be destroyed
• Known to go on fire if the bearing under the auto oiler tank heats

I only do about 1000 bales a year, but it does the trick admirably and makes a very solid bale.

Lad i work for has been running a 578 for the last 10 years or so.

Never had an issue in hay with it stopping turning.
Hinge broke on the back door and nearly came off.
Never had issue with the rotor but was told they were fond of bearings .
Gearbox blew in one . The reverse on the gearbox is known as an issue on them.
Someone gets blocked. Stops machine . Puts in reverse. Clears blockage. Puts in forward and drives on. Forgets to turn off reverse and the next time they lift the reel put it in reverse at full tilt.
The net is one which causes trouble.
Some makes of net just wont feed through and wraps around the rubber roller. Talcun powder or furniture polish helps .

hopeso

575's and 578's were very common around here one time. They practically disappeared after the arrival of McHale balers. I never owned or operated one, but from what I've heard they gave enough trouble. I think the netter was probably the worst of it.

maidhc

hopeso wrote: »

575's and 578's were very common around here one time. They practically disappeared after the arrival of McHale balers. I never owned or operated one, but from what I've heard they gave enough trouble. I think the netter was probably the worst of it.

Tama works perfect I find. I have never tried anything else.

jaymla627

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jaymla627 wrote: »

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I'd say a ceasarian was needed for that!!



Well may she wear.

Panch18

jaymla627 wrote: »

New arrival....

Well wear with her

Did you have a front loader before or is she replacing similar?

jaymla627

Panch18 wrote: »

Well wear with her

Did you have a front loader before or is she replacing similar?

Have a loader on t6 140, needed something to speed up feeding/loading fert and free tractor up for diet feeder, she”ll be pushing up silage as well so won’t be idle....

vincenzolorenzo

hopeso wrote: »

575's and 578's were very common around here one time. They practically disappeared after the arrival of McHale balers. I never owned or operated one, but from what I've heard they gave enough trouble. I think the netter was probably the worst of it.

The contractor I used to work for ran 575's and 578s for years but moved over to McHale when they came out. The McHale is a superior machine no doubt but the 578 would be a fine farmer-owned baler nowadays that wouldn't break the bank.

I used to sprinkle a bit of hay dust on the feed roller when putting a fresh roll in and had no issues with the feed. Used to occasionally have issues with the bale not turning if baling straw but we fitted short strips of rubber belt around two rollers and that sorted that. The very odd time, generally in late season very green grass the net would wrap around a roller at the back of the baler but that was rare in fairness

Jlaff

Thanks for all the replies. I wonder does the netter give much trouble on the welger rp220?
Mchale would be out of my price range for all I would use it.

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davidk1394

Jlaff wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on a welger rp 220 vs a John Deere 578? A local contractor is selling both at the end of the season for similar money. The 578 has 40k bales on the clock and the 220 has around 45k.

Rp 220 any day. Is it a profi, xtra cut or farmer ? A friend of mine had the JD equivalent. Good baler but our 220 would leave it sitting in the field. They were always doing bearings and chain but I think that was their own doing as they were rough enough on it.

davidk1394

Jlaff wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies. I wonder does the netter give much trouble on the welger rp220?
Mchale would be out of my price range for all I would use it.

Netter is fool proof. Just make sure the knife is changed before you buy. Bit of a pain loading in the netting but it will work away fine. I used take rolls of our co op that fellas returned because it wouldn’t work in their baler

White Clover

I would have used both balers back 15 years or so. Give me the John Deere any day. I don't ever remember a bearing going, they are greaseable.
If there was a nick on the net roller it would wrap around, a bit of talcum powder solved that.

The Welger had a bigger appetite but the 220 were soft compared to the 200 that came before them. I often threw out 600 bales of silage in a day using the John Deere without any issues.

On the back door, I used only open it enough so that the bale fell out and there was never an issue with it. No need to go the full stroke of the rams.

Jlaff

It’s a profi.

What part of them was soft?

I’m going to look over both again this weekend and hopefully make a deal.

zfml

220 Profi.
Check all grease lines are going to bearings.
Check bearing at top, on sprocket side (where door is hinged) to make sure grease line is going into it. (and the zerk at the top is only for the hinge part, not the bearing) (ours got starved with no grease line going in and door nearly came off).

With rear door open, check inside of chamber at the bottom (just at bottom roller). Ours rotted away and the sides spread. Grass collects when door is closed and if not cleaned out at end of season..

Check rear door latches to make sure they are all ok. (and the parts that mount to the rear door).

Make sure the computer is ok and screen is visible. You'll want to be able to adjust density for hay/silage.

Check pickup reel. Grab tines and try and move tine bar. There should not be much play.
Check to see how bands are secured. The bolts holding them on shear off. Tek screws won't hold the bands good enough. Its a case of take off reel, weld, drill and tap. (and on profi one of the threaded hole goes into a box iron, so no welding a nut the other side.)

We put large wheels off a slurry tanker on ours. Made a great job of it. When stuck in wet ground the wheels would just drag.

davidk1394

What do people charge for loading, hauling and stacking bales. Roughly a mile draw.

Bullocks

davidk1394 wrote: »

What do people charge for loading, hauling and stacking bales. Roughly a mile draw.

Is it the easiest thing to charge an hourly rate for that kinda work ?

Reggie.

Bullocks wrote: »

Is it the easiest thing to charge an hourly rate for that kinda work ?

Yeah per hour. Roughly anything from €50 to €60

davidk1394

Reggie. wrote: »

Yeah per hour. Roughly anything from €50 to €60

Sounds the fairest. Where I was, was slow going with rough fields and a rough yard

Grueller

davidk1394 wrote: »

What do people charge for loading, hauling and stacking bales. Roughly a mile draw.

A lad locally here is €2.50 for drawing and then €1 for stacking on those type of draws. He uses a Wilson supermove 10.