Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread

Milton09

MfMan wrote: »

A problem with the topper; either the splines on the stub shaft have worn down or the grooves from the shaft itself have. Either way, the shaft is no longer gripping the stub on the gearbox. I've no play/leeway on the shaft to remove it to investigate, so what to do? Will I have to loosen the gearbox and lift it up from the frame to allow me take the shaft apart? If the stub shaft itself is worn, can it be replaced on it's own or will the whole gearbox have to be swapped?

From pics it looks like gearbox off job. You should be able to get the shaft on its own, also a gear cutting machine shop wold be able to re-cut the splines. Unusual failure on a fresh looking topper.

blue5000

I think heat it to the left of the shear bolt, tap it all round with a hammer and then pull it off.

Waffletraktor

Strip out the pto centre by taking out the circlips etc to get room, then take off the shear bolt end to see whats what like reggie mentioned may be a rubber bush thats given out to take the strain or something small

Reggie.

Milton09 wrote: »

From pics it looks like gearbox off job. You should be able to get the shaft on its own, also a gear cutting machine shop wold be able to re-cut the splines. Unusual failure on a fresh looking topper.

This is the handiest way as it's just 5 bolts to remove the blades/gearbox. Better to just replace the gearbox at this stage as the shaft might be seized to the splines. You'll have to disconnect both shafts tho to release the gearbox. Also the rubber bushing between the two drive shafts will have to be removed. Hard to see but it looks like the first gearbox on the topper. Unusal for that to happen in the first place as the shearbolts should have broke before the splines were rounded off.

tomwaterford

MfMan wrote: »

No, I loosened it so that both halves of the shaft could be separated.

What happens when your turning the shaft? ??

Take bolto off top of box and see??

MfMan

Thanks for all the replies. It's actually a Connor topper, but the gearboxes, probably Comer, are all standard on them anyway I think. The gearbox is indeed serving the first rotor and there is a rubber bushing further out on the shaft before the second box. Have it 7/8 years but try to mind it as well as possible and give it a good washing and greasing at season's end.

Was showing it to a couple of experienced lads here and they were also quite surprised at the splines wearing. Maybe the shearbolt was graded too strongly? Will probably have to lift up either that gearbox or the one coming back from the tractor PTO in order to get the connecting shaft out. Probably the former, which will entail lifting the entire machine up and taking off the rotor first. Might also be just as cheap to replace the whole gearbox. Either way, won't be too cheap or labour-free I fear. :-(

Reggie.

MfMan wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies. It's actually a Connor topper, but the gearboxes, probably Comer, are all standard on them anyway I think. The gearbox is indeed serving the first rotor and there is a rubber bushing further out on the shaft before the second box. Have it 7/8 years but try to mind it as well as possible and give it a good washing and greasing at season's end.

Was showing it to a couple of experienced lads here and they were also quite surprised at the splines wearing. Maybe the shearbolt was graded too strongly? Will probably have to lift up either that gearbox or the one coming back from the tractor PTO in order to get the connecting shaft out. Probably the former, which will entail lifting the entire machine up and taking off the rotor first. Might also be just as cheap to replace the whole gearbox. Either way, won't be too cheap or labour-free I fear. :-(

Ah if it's anything like a major topper 2 hours should have the gearbox switched around

Zr105

MfMan wrote: »

A problem with the topper; either the splines on the stub shaft have worn down or the grooves from the shaft itself have. Either way, the shaft is no longer gripping the stub on the gearbox. I've no play/leeway on the shaft to remove it to investigate, so what to do? Will I have to loosen the gearbox and lift it up from the frame to allow me take the shaft apart? If the stub shaft itself is worn, can it be replaced on it's own or will the whole gearbox have to be swapped?

We had to replace that box on ours after a tooth broke off a gear, it's not a major job at all to remove it, slide off the shaft the shear bolt is in, take off the blade carrier underneath then take out the 4 bolts holding in the box, and just take 3 of the 6 bolts out of the rubber donut and you should manage to get it up out of it.

Apparently the don't bother to sell parts for the boxes anymore just replace the whole unit round the €300 mark too

kay 9

What number is stamped on the "shear bolt" head? That's a very unusual scenario if it's not just seized on there. I always have the shear bolt on the tractor end as it seems easier to access due to the black cover on the majors

tomwaterford

kay 9 wrote: »

What number is stamped on the "shear bolt" head? That's a very unusual scenario if it's not just seized on there. I always have the shear bolt on the tractor end as it seems easier to access due to the black cover on the majors

Would you not be afraid the shaft would twist/get damaged before shock would get to shear bolt???

MfMan

kay 9 wrote: »

What number is stamped on the "shear bolt" head? That's a very unusual scenario if it's not just seized on there. I always have the shear bolt on the tractor end as it seems easier to access due to the black cover on the majors

Umm... 6.8 I think? Was talking to a Conor lad, he'd be very surprised if the gearbox shaft splines were worn; suggested it's more likely the knuckle shaft ones. In which case, loosen the tractor PTO gearbox, lift up and pull apart.

Are these knuckle shafts standard? Conor don't make toppers anymore, weren't being rewarded properly for them apparently. Thus, parts could be difficult to source. (A pity, this one is quite tough and sturdy.)

kay 9

tomwaterford wrote: »

Would you not be afraid the shaft would twist/get damaged before shock would get to shear bolt???

I've actually been thinking about that since and might change that practice. Makes more sense. Been doing it like that for yrs with no problems but that doesn't warrant it being ok

kay 9

MfMan wrote: »

Umm... 6.8 I think? Was talking to a Conor lad, he'd be very surprised if the gearbox shaft splines were worn; suggested it's more likely the knuckle shaft ones. In which case, loosen the tractor PTO gearbox, lift up and pull apart.

Are these knuckle shafts standard? Conor don't make toppers anymore, weren't being rewarded properly for them apparently. Thus, parts could be difficult to source. (A pity, this one is quite tough and sturdy.)

They're usually 8.8. Your local machinery shop should have a knuckle to suit I would think

FeelTheBern

Hi all. Would an outfit of a Tanco 968 or 978 loader on an International 885xl be up to drawing and feeding fusion silage bales?

Never wrestle with pigs

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Hi all. Would an outfit of a Tanco 968 or 978 loader on an International 885xl be up to drawing and feeding fusion silage bales?

Friend has that set up. She will feed no problem, but any time I used it I thought it was very hard on the tractor. I think them Tanco loaders are very big and heavy for a 2wd

whelan2

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Hi all. Would an outfit of a Tanco 968 or 978 loader on an International 885xl be up to drawing and feeding fusion silage bales?

we have a tanco loader on our 885xl, its 4wd, have a good weight on the back

FeelTheBern

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Hi all. Would an outfit of a Tanco 968 or 978 loader on an International 885xl be up to drawing and feeding fusion silage bales?

Friend has that set up. She will feed no problem, but any time I used it I thought it was very hard on the tractor. I think them Tanco loaders are very big and heavy for a 2wd

Thanks - should have said tractor would be 4 wd alright. Do those Tanco loaders have the pipes to use bale handler or grab - or are they just for a bucket/dung fork?

Reggie.

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Thanks - should have said tractor would be 4 wd alright. Do those Tanco loaders have the pipes to use bale handler or grab - or are they just for a bucket/dung fork?

They can have the 3rd service retrofitted to them

selectamatic

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Hi all. Would an outfit of a Tanco 968 or 978 loader on an International 885xl be up to drawing and feeding fusion silage bales?

by any chance would this be the ih for sale in laois on DD?
And yes the tractor will be well up to the job ours handles wet fusions with a quicke power loader not a bother.

FeelTheBern

selectamatic wrote: »

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Hi all. Would an outfit of a Tanco 968 or 978 loader on an International 885xl be up to drawing and feeding fusion silage bales?

by any chance would this be the ih for sale in laois on DD?
And yes the tractor will be well up to the job ours handles wet fusions with a quicke power loader not a bother.

Yeah actually is (or was) two of them up on DD this week. One in Laois gone, other one sounds like going to be gone before I get time to see it anyway! Problem with working to pay for farming!

Not sure mentally ready yet though to spend money to buy a 1985 tractor for heavy work lifting bales - have niggle in back of mind that might be cheap day one but dear in long run with amount of years they're around. Hard to even figure out what would be reasonable hours to have on tractor that age.

FeelTheBern

Is it just my imagination or do some Massey Ferguson 390s have bigger rear tyres than others? If it's not all in my head, is one size better than the other??

Reggie.

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Is it just my imagination or do some Massey Ferguson 390s have bigger rear tyres than others? If it's not all in my head, is one size better than the other??

Yeah some can come in oversize. The rear tyres on my 398 are 480s

X6.430macman

Reggie. wrote:

Yeah some can come in oversize. The rear tyres on my 398 are 480s

480s!!!!! On a 390. Same as whays on the back if me 6c/x6

FeelTheBern

Reggie. wrote: »

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Is it just my imagination or do some Massey Ferguson 390s have bigger rear tyres than others? If it's not all in my head, is one size better than the other??

Yeah some can come in oversize. The rear tyres on my 398 are 480s

Thanks Reggie - are the larger tyre ones supposed to be better job?

Muckit

They're a better job til you have to go replace them!!! The other ones are better then.

Reggie.

Muckit wrote: »

They're a better job til you have to go replace them!!! The other ones are better then.

This is true. Great footprint across fields tho. Gives it a wider look aswell

Reggie.

X6.430macman wrote: »

480s!!!!! On a 390. Same as whays on the back if me 6c/x6

The new 5H has 440s on the front and 540s on the rear

X6.430macman

Reggie. wrote:

The new 5H has 440s on the front and 540s on the rear

Ya I shud have got 540s but were 2000 more

MickeyShtyles

New yoke came to work on Friday last. Replacing a Renault Ceres 325.

Reggie.

X6.430macman wrote: »

Ya I shud have got 540s but were 2000 more

Came as standard on mine

White Clover

Reggie. wrote: »

Came as standard on mine

Did you get it yet Reggie?

Reggie.

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

New yoke came to work on Friday last. Replacing a Renault Ceres 325.

Knew it would be a 4 series

ganmo

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

New yoke came to work on Friday last. Replacing a Renault Ceres 325.

is it just me or do modern tractors look odd with the small 2wd tyres on the front

Reggie.

ganmo wrote: »

is it just me or do modern tractors look odd with the small 2wd tyres on the front

Front wheels should be bigger I think

Reggie.

White Clover wrote: »

Did you get it yet Reggie?

It will be in dublin port in a few hours and in the dublin compound for the morning

ganmo

Reggie. wrote: »

It will be in dublin port in a few hours and in the dublin compound for the morning

ya heading down to watch it come in :P

Reggie.

ganmo wrote: »

ya heading down to watch it come in :P

Bloody thought of it alright

MF290

Reggie. wrote: »

Bloody thought of it alright

I can see the headlines already, "Irish Soldier Arrested Trying To Steal His Own tractor"

Reggie.

MF290 wrote: »

I can see the headlines already, "Irish Soldier Arrested Trying To Steal His Own tractor"

They have to catch me first

Shannon757

Reggie. wrote: »

They have to catch me first

Is she 50k?

Reggie.

Shannon757 wrote: »

Is she 50k?

Officially 40k but got 48k out if one a few weeks ago. Landinis are known for being a little faster than advertised

tomwaterford

Reggie. wrote: »

Officially 40k but got 48k out if one a few weeks ago. Landinis are known for being a little faster than advertised

Is it vario???

Beware of overspeed

Shannon757

Reggie. wrote: »

Officially 40k but got 48k out if one a few weeks ago. Landinis are known for being a little faster than advertised

14000th post Reggie.

Waffletraktor

tomwaterford wrote: »

Reggie. wrote: »

Officially 40k but got 48k out if one a few weeks ago. Landinis are known for being a little faster than advertised

Is it vario???

Beware of overspeed

And lacking extra brake discs like a 50k machine

Reggie.

tomwaterford wrote: »

Is it vario???

Beware of overspeed

Triptonic gearbox. She doesn't overspeed I don't think. She doesn't speed up going down a hill

tomwaterford

Reggie. wrote: »

Triptonic gearbox. She doesn't overspeed I don't think. She doesn't speed up going down a hill

Don't coast on the clutch and put it out to slow you down then.....AFAIK not good



Hope it's going well other than that though

Reggie.

Waffletraktor wrote: »

And lacking extra brake discs like a 50k machine

Has brake discs in the front axle in the middle hub. Are they supposed to be different than that for a 50k machine

Reggie.

tomwaterford wrote: »

Don't coast on the clutch and put it out to slow you down then.....AFAIK not good



Hope it's going well other than that though

Noted...
Drove her down a steep hill with a load on and it didn't run off like the 398 would. Only sped up with the throttle

Shannon757

You'll be driving her back from Dublin Reggie? Maybe tour the country and visit us all?:D

Reggie.

Shannon757 wrote: »

You'll be driving her back from Dublin Reggie? Maybe tour the country and visit us all?:D

Like I always said lads. Kettle is always boiled. Just call on in