FTP to Social Welfare Card

L1011

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You do if you get the dart.

At manned stations where someone will be telling them what to do.

Your scenario isn't going to be a problem. You were clearly talking about buses initially, unaware there's no magnetic validators anymore.

Hilly Bill

L1011 wrote: »

At manned stations where someone will be telling them what to do.

Your scenario isn't going to be a problem. You were clearly talking about buses initially, unaware there's no magnetic validators anymore.

Get over the bus thing, im well aware of them.

woodrow wyatt

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Get over the bus thing, im well aware of them.

You where caught spoofing, you credibility has taken a knock.

Hilly Bill

No spoofing now relax and move on.

Spanish Eyes

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm afraid the bolded portion is Incorrect.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/extra_social_welfare_benefits/free_travel.html

Hi, Yes I know that everyone over 66 is entitled to a FTP, but not everyone gets it automatically in the post on their 66th birthday! This is what I said in my previous post.......

"Also, many who have a PS card are not automatically issued with FTP, they have to apply for it. So anyone who is over 66 and is NOT entitled to the State Pension or other SW payment will not automatically get FT."

My point is that if you are not in receipt of a State payment (pension etc.) at age 66, the FT does NOT issue automatically to you, it has to be applied for. I know a fair few people who were caught out by this, and thought the FT pass would come in the post on their 66th birthday. Not so. These were Civil Servants who do NOT receive the State Pension.

So they would have a PS card, but would have to apply to DSP for the FT version of the card.

Pass the word on to anyone you know who does not qualify for the State Pension! I have an uncle who retired from the Civil Service at age 60, he was horrified to discover that his pass did not arrive in the post on his 66th birthday, and he was watching for the postman like a hawk that day!

When I phoned DSP for him he had to fill in a form and claim the FT pass. That was because he was not entitled to the State Pension, just the Civil Service one. He had to wait nearly 4 weeks to get the pass, and by God was he giving out yards about having to pay his busfare for those four weeks!

Just a little lighthearted story, but a true one, just the same.

AlekSmart

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Hi, Yes I know that everyone over 66 is entitled to a FTP, but not everyone gets it automatically in the post on their 66th birthday! This is what I said in my previous post.......

"Also, many who have a PS card are not automatically issued with FTP, they have to apply for it. So anyone who is over 66 and is NOT entitled to the State Pension or other SW payment will not automatically get FT."

My point is that if you are not in receipt of a State payment (pension etc.) at age 66, the FT does NOT issue automatically to you, it has to be applied for. I know a fair few people who were caught out by this, and thought the FT pass would come in the post on their 66th birthday. Not so.These were Civil Servants who do NOT receive the State Pension.

So they would have a PS card, but would have to apply to DSP for the FT version of the card.

Pass the word on to anyone you know who does not qualify for the State Pension! I have an uncle who retired from the Civil Service at age 60, he was horrified to discover that his pass did not arrive in the post on his 66th birthday, and he was watching for the postman like a hawk that day!

When I phoned DSP for him he had to fill in a form and claim the FT pass. That was because he was not entitled to the State Pension, just the Civil Service one. He had to wait nearly 4 weeks to get the pass, and by God was he giving out yards about having to pay his busfare for those four weeks!

Just a little lighthearted story, but a true one, just the same.

Ah right,my bad as I didn't spot the distinction.

Mind you,I would suggest that if one has managed to get through to 60+,and a Civil Service Career to boot,that a bit of an oul application form would not be TOO much of an imposition ?

It may well be that,in the fullness of time,one's final under 66 PSC expiry date will concide with the 66th birthday and once again the traditional automatic Plop!! on the hall floor will bring forth expressions of Senior Joyfullness once more...?

Perish the thought that it would'nt drop through one's letterbox on the Birthday :mad:.

Although...it's worth noting that the new-improved Hi-Tech FTP card actually has an expiry date,something totally absent from the previous cardboard document,which could thus be passed down through the generations....:eek:

The end of an era beckons......;)

Spanish Eyes

AlekSmart wrote: »

Ah right,my bad as I didn't spot the distinction.

Mind you,I would suggest that if one has managed to get through to 60+,and a Civil Service Career to boot,that a bit of an oul application form would not be TOO much of an imposition ?

It may well be that,in the fullness of time,one's final under 66 PSC expiry date will concide with the 66th birthday and once again the traditional automatic Plop!! on the hall floor will bring forth expressions of Senior Joyfullness once more...?

Perish the thought that it would'nt drop through one's letterbox on the Birthday :mad:.

Although...it's worth noting that the new-improved Hi-Tech FTP card actually has an expiry date,something totally absent from the previous cardboard document,which could thus be passed down through the generations....:eek:

The end of an era beckons......;)

Laughing at the bolded bit above.

These people SHOULD know better, but of course they know EVERYTHING and will not be told otherwise! You should have seen his face when told he had to apply and wait four weeks. I will spare you the expletives uttered etc.

Just on the point of an expiry date, I presume that means a letter will come out asking the recipient to confirm they are alive or summat, witnessed by a duly respected member of society too!!

That is great news really. And about time too.

Fair play is good sport.

AlekSmart

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just on the point of an expiry date, I presume that means a letter will come out asking the recipient to confirm they are alive or summat, witnessed by a duly respected member of society too!!

That is great news really. And about time too.

Fair play is good sport.

The new system esatablishes a definite and ongoing requirement to establish and confirm identity.

It has already resulted in some significant catches...

http://www.newstalk.com/Con-artists-12year-social-welfare-scam-exposed-using-facial-recognition-software

Officials in the Department of Social Protection became suspicious in July 2013 after facial image-matching showed four people claiming Social Welfare had the same photograph.

This is a Quantum Leap from the cardboard corn-flake box document of old,and will,for the first time bring basic best-practice accounting to bear on the DSP's Free Schemes.

But,by golly,there will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth to be endured whilst the new order is imposed ....:D

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

The new system esatablishes a definite and ongoing requirement to establish and confirm identity.

It has already resulted in some significant catches...

http://www.newstalk.com/Con-artists-12year-social-welfare-scam-exposed-using-facial-recognition-software



This is a Quantum Leap from the cardboard corn-flake box document of old,and will,for the first time bring basic best-practice accounting to bear on the DSP's Free Schemes.

But,by golly,there will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth to be endured whilst the new order is imposed ....:D

I find this comment from the Judge very interesting

Judge Nolan indicated that the sentence he will impose will be somewhat less than eight years

Why would he sentence the man to less than 8 years for several years of using stolen identities to rob every taxpayer in the country?

Fred Swanson

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onthebuses

Take a moment to look at all of the posts about the FTP.
Some posters are for and others are against
Some of the posters seem to be of two minds, they are all for the FTP but are anti CIE, are they unable to see that the FTP will be the first thing to go once private operators enter the market?

monument

onthebuses wrote: »

Take a moment to look at all of the posts about the FTP.
Some posters are for and others are against
Some of the posters seem to be of two minds, they are all for the FTP but are anti CIE, are they unable to see that the FTP will be the first thing to go once private operators enter the market?

Drop the "anti CIE" stuff and focus on what people say -- not a great way to start your posting record.

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onthebuses

monument wrote: »

Drop the "anti CIE" stuff and focus on what people say -- not a great way to start your posting record.

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Sorry. but i am pro CIE.

monument

onthebuses wrote: »

Sorry. but i am pro CIE.

I don't care if you're pro-CIE or anti-CIE or on the fence. And please read the charter before posting again.

One of the rules is never reply to moderation.

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onthebuses

Boards.ie seems to be anti CIE (government) and all for private operators.
Private operators, ultimately demand a profit from there operation.They have no interest to see a unified transport policy, i.e.. bus and bike working together to provide for the vast majority of people.

monument

onthebuses wrote: »

Boards.ie seems to be anti CIE (government) and all for private operators.
Private operators, ultimately demand a profit from there operation.They have no interest to see a unified transport policy, i.e.. bus and bike working together to provide for the vast majority of people.

As I said: I don't care if you're pro-CIE or anti-CIE or on the fence.

Given that you were more than well warned, enjoy a break for 24 hours.

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JONJO THE MISER

The old passes are wide open to abuse.
Have a friend who was entitled to one years back but is no longer, he still uses it all the time even thought he should not have it, cant understand how he gets away with it.

punisher5112

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

The old passes are wide open to abuse.
Have a friend who was entitled to one years back but is no longer, he still uses it all the time even thought he should not have it, cant understand how he gets away with it.

Report to social welfare as it is fraud.

You can do anonymous.

AlekSmart

onthebuses wrote: »

Take a moment to look at all of the posts about the FTP.
Some posters are for and others are against
Some of the posters seem to be of two minds, they are all for the FTP but are anti CIE, are they unable to see that the FTP will be the first thing to go once private operators enter the market?

Whilst many people do believe this suggestion,the reality is not quite pointing to it as a general case.

What is happening,across the FTS as a whole,is that finally a system of direct accounting has arrived.

Suddenly,the technology now allows for real-time accounting of Individual journies and payment for those journies as a result.

With in excess of 750,000 individual FTP's in circulation and up until now,no system to monitor or account for actual useage,the entire FTS was in imminent danger of implosion.

The FTS Budget remains frozen at 2010 levels (€79,000,000) but with increasing numbers of entitled persons year-on-year,and the DSP restriction on new services entering,post 2010,the new Electronic mechanisms may allow for the funds to be allocated on a far more targeted basis.

The great advantage of the olden-times CIE/DSP arrangement was it could all be sorted out over a weekend in Athlone,with no further action required for the next 12 months.

The new arrangements,when fully implimented,will see the DSP making far more regular,if automated payments into the operators account...Public OR Private.

Gael23

On the letter with the new FTP it says you must post back your old one.

punisher5112

Gael23 wrote: »

On the letter with the new FTP it says you must post back your old one.

Not many are as most of the older ones are showing both.

Fred Swanson

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Gael23

Well I would assume that when the point comes that everyone has been issued the new cards the old FTP will no longer be accepted.

punisher5112

Gael23 wrote: »

Well I would assume that when the point comes that everyone has been issued the new cards the old FTP will no longer be accepted.

I would hope it will be in by end of 2016 as it is a very slow process.

Seeing a lot more of the new ones these days but defo more paper ones out there still.

Cushie Butterfield

foggy_lad wrote: »

I find this comment from the Judge very interesting
Why would he sentence the man to less than 8 years for several years of using stolen identities to rob every taxpayer in the country?

The moral of the story is that if you're going to steal someone's identity to make fraudulent social welfare claims make sure the identities aren't those of a close family member, & preferably (if at all possible) make sure you steal the identity of someone born in the UK.

AlekSmart

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

The moral of the story is that if you're going to steal someone's identity to make fraudulent social welfare claims make sure the identities aren't those of a close family member, & preferably (if at all possible) make sure you steal the identity of someone born in the UK.

....and make sure you watch "The Day of The Jackal"...Frederick Forsythe knew a thing or two about these things....;)

jaymcg91

Lad ahead of me today on the bus had an FTP, and the driver told him to scan it on the reader, like you would do a Leap card.

Seems like a step in the right direction, instead of casually waving it.

Atlantic Dawn

jaymcg91 wrote: »

Lad ahead of me today on the bus had an FTP, and the driver told him to scan it on the reader, like you would do a Leap card.

Seems like a step in the right direction, instead of casually waving it.

Yes it will provide statistics and costs so that the companies can tell the government the scheme is costing x and the subsidy they get doesn't come anywhere near covering it.

punisher5112

They have the system live since last weekend.
Monday of last week was official start date.

It will stop the ones flashing the social services(dole) card as it is exactly same only it has a blue dot and they had got very creative at hiding, covering in wallet and even putting stickers on them.

Only problem now is more people have the paper one as they will get away until they are finished.

Cushie Butterfield

punisher5112 wrote: »

They have the system live since last weekend.
Monday of last week was official start date.

It will stop the ones flashing the social services(dole) card as it is exactly same only it has a blue dot and they had got very creative at hiding, covering in wallet and even putting stickers on them.

Only problem now is more people have the paper one as they will get away until they are finished.

Doesn't do much for fraudulent use though, as anyone can now just borrow & swipe anyone else's PSCFT card without a bother unless an inspector boards the bus.

Slippin Jimmy

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

Doesn't do much for fraudulent use though, as anyone can now just borrow & swipe anyone else's PSCFT card without a bother unless an inspector boards the bus.

They are doing that now anyway. Chances of being caught are slim. Dublin Bus are rolling out an rpu team atm so hopefully this will help in some way. It will stop people using the sw card to board the bus free and the driver will know for sure if it is a genuine ftp or not.