The Beer Market Pub, Christ Church

Technocentral

A very bold move considering the vast majority won't even drink O' Haras, Sierra Nevada ,Metalman etc!

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/first-pub-dedicated-to-craft-beer-to-open-next-week-in-dublin-1.2178666

Redsoxfan

It's not that different to Brew Dock, is it? When folks wander in and ask for Heineken etc they are offered Fischers Helles - everything else is 'craft'?

I know that the Dark Horse is different in that they also have mainstream beers. I haven't been in AtG or their other bars enough to know about them.

RasTa

That's a terrible headline to the article. They had the list up on twitter, looks good . Not many pints mind and I was given one of the 330ml glasses from Black Sheep and it isn't 330ml

Just a little Samba

Redsoxfan wrote: »

It's not that different to Brew Dock, is it? When folks wander in and ask for Heineken etc they are offered Fischers Helles - everything else is 'craft'?

I know that the Dark Horse is different in that they also have mainstream beers. I haven't been in AtG or their other bars enough to know about them.

As far as I can see the only difference between the place and atg, black sheep and brew dock or mulligans is it won't serve food, sell spirits, have branded taps and there won't be permanent taps for specific beer .

hynesie08

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do, gonna be weird that they aren't doing the gbb core range.

I know they say numbered taps instead of names but I'm assuming that there'll be a chalkboard with the names on? You're not just gonna blindly say "tap 12" and hope for the best.

Technocentral

Wonder is it a new build or is it in an old existing pub premises, don't know whats there at the moment?

hynesie08

Technocentral wrote: »

Wonder is it a new build or is it in an old existing pub premises, don't know whats there at the moment?

It was ryans about a year ago.

lk67

There's a good few pics on Twitter...and there is a chalk board!

Reminds me a lot of Mikkeller Bar in Copenhagen.

Saruwatari

That's a bloody nice list, 200 Fathoms! I work only five minutes down the road from this, may be the end of me yet...

nosietoes

It makes sense to try and do something different in that premises. There have been so many failures there in the last 10 years that I guess they need to do something to draw people in. I do think it's a shame that they're not even doing whiskey given its place on the tourist trail and proximity to both Teelings and Jamesons... But I guess it's good that they won't be competing with the Bull & Castle or The Headline.

oblivious

Just a little Samba wrote: »

As far as I can see the only difference between the place and atg, black sheep and brew dock or mulligans is it won't serve food, sell spirits, have branded taps and there won't be permanent taps for specific beer .

It's a pity there are no active beer "only@ licences in Ireland. They are on the books but one has never been issued. Galway bay will have to fork out for a full pub licence but restrict then self to just selling beer.

Although if it works out and do hope so it . it an example where it can be show to the authoresses that such a licence would be beneficial to brewery and such that want to have a tasting room and ell to the public

iambrazil

hynesie08 wrote: »

I know they say numbered taps instead of names but I'm assuming that there'll be a chalkboard with the names on? You're not just gonna blindly say "tap 12" and hope for the best.

from my experience in a London bar that sounds similar to this, most people just order by the name of the beer from the blackboard that has 25 - 30 beers listed on it with a corresponding number.

I think the people that order by number in the place I'm thinking of are usually those that probably haven't heard of any of the beers before.

snowblind

This is excellent news. I was so stoked when Headline opened but the selection is usually a bit boring.

I also wish more of the beers were in pints, but as we can see on this board too, the higher prices for craft beer pints put people off them, and it's unrealistic to be selling craft pints for a fiver. So this is the compromise they probably feel forced to make. Other European countries in close to Irelands cost of living are used to spending 7-8€ for 0.5l of craft beer but here the "standard" has been set by Guinness and Heino.

I also feel weird drinking a pale ale or an IPA in a stemmed glass in a bar. WIsh they would just opt for half/full pint pricing.

listermint

The location is a bit.. meh or is that me, i think ive drank down that direction about twice in my life. relatively soulless part since mother red caps went down.

snowblind

The location is as good as any for me. Well better than being in the suburbs, that's for sure

irish_goat

Not massively impressed personally. One of the main gripes I have with GBB bars is the lack of decent sessionable pints. Even when they do have something lighter it's normally an import and far more expensive than an equivalent Irish pint in a nearby pub.

There's a Dublin Bike stand beside here though so I'll probably nip out for one the odd time if I'm up at the B&C.

Herb Powell

snowblind wrote: »

This is excellent news. I was so stoked when Headline opened but the selection is usually a bit boring.

I also wish more of the beers were in pints, but as we can see on this board too, the higher prices for craft beer pints put people off them, and it's unrealistic to be selling craft pints for a fiver. So this is the compromise they probably feel forced to make. Other European countries in close to Irelands cost of living are used to spending 7-8€ for 0.5l of craft beer but here the "standard" has been set by Guinness and Heino.

I also feel weird drinking a pale ale or an IPA in a stemmed glass in a bar. WIsh they would just opt for half/full pint pricing.

?????

A fiver for a pint is more than fair. Anything above that is quite cheeky imo.

snowblind

Herb Powell wrote: »

?????

A fiver for a pint is more than fair. Anything above that is quite cheeky imo.

For any beer over a fiver is cheeky? A speciality product costing more than macro lager is cheeky? I don't get it...

You pay more for quality wine or quality whiskey than the basic offerings, but beer price is defined by diageo?

In finland for example you can get 0.5l of bland lager for 3€, 0.4l of a craft beer can get up to 9€. Brewers aren't constrained to limit costs to make compromises. It's the same if you go to London, Italy, Spain, Denmark etc. Quality beers cost more.

limnam

Be interesting to see what definition they'll be putting on 'craft'

oblivious

limnam wrote: »

Be interesting to see what definition they'll be putting on 'craft'

The brewer must have a beard :P

Herb Powell

snowblind wrote: »

For any beer over a fiver is cheeky? A speciality product costing more than macro lager is cheeky? I don't get it...

You pay more for quality wine or quality whiskey than the basic offerings, but beer price is defined by diageo?

In finland for example you can get 0.5l of bland lager for 3€, 0.4l of a craft beer can get up to 9€. Brewers aren't constrained to limit costs to make compromises. It's the same if you go to London, Italy, Spain, Denmark etc. Quality beers cost more.

It's beer at the end of the day.

A few years ago I remember most craft beer was definitely less than a fiver a pint, now a fiver is kind of the standard.

Just a little Samba

Herb Powell wrote: »

It's beer at the end of the day.

A few years ago I remember most craft beer was definitely less than a fiver a pint, now a fiver is kind of the standard.

That's like saying "its just a burger at the end of the day" when comparing Supermacs to Bunsen. Its an empty statement.

Herb Powell

Just a little Samba wrote: »

That's like saying "its just a burger at the end of the day" when comparing Supermacs to Bunsen. Its an empty statement.

My point is, it's already been under a fiver for years, and suddenly they've decided they can extract more from it. So it's not unrealistic in the slightest to be selling pints of beer for a fiver.

They have to make a profit, welcome to capitalism, fair play to them etc. , but I personally rarely feel good about paying more than a fiver for a beer. I know that's my own choice, it's just frustrating that circumstances have changed.

Big Nasty

Same as that. A fiver is more than enough for anything but an exceptional beer IMO and €2.50 is my limit in an off licence. Go to Belgium which is to beer what France is to wine and you'll find a very, very long list of very good beers (albeit bottled, not draught) for well under €5.

ThisRegard

Taxes make up a large part of that difference?

Technocentral

Herb Powell wrote:

A fiver for a pint is more than fair. Anything above that is quite cheeky imo.

you serious? Loads of pubs in Dublin selling usual ****e Lagers for 5 euro plus?

Geuze

snowblind wrote: »

For any beer over a fiver is cheeky? A speciality product costing more than macro lager is cheeky? I don't get it...

You pay more for quality wine or quality whiskey than the basic offerings, but beer price is defined by diageo?

In finland for example you can get 0.5l of bland lager for 3€, 0.4l of a craft beer can get up to 9€. Brewers aren't constrained to limit costs to make compromises. It's the same if you go to London, Italy, Spain, Denmark etc. Quality beers cost more.

Zoigl in Franconia is 1.80 - 2.00 for 50cl in a pub.

Landbier in Nurnberg pubs is 2.50 - 3.50.

Herb Powell

Technocentral wrote: »

you serious? Loads of pubs in Dublin selling usual ****e Lagers for 5 euro plus?

Dublin is probably expensive alright, but I'm not from Dublin, and I don't visit often at all

the beer revolu

ThisRegard wrote: »

Taxes make up a large part of that difference?

Quite the opposite.
Microbreweries get a rebate equal to half the duty.
ie Irish Micro beers attract half the duty that macro or imported beers do.

Koptain Liverpool

Seems like it could be a nice idea. Although as others say I would prefer if they made all the beers available in half pint/330ml/pint.

hfallada

Big Nasty wrote: »

Same as that. A fiver is more than enough for anything but an exceptional beer IMO and €2.50 is my limit in an off licence. Go to Belgium which is to beer what France is to wine and you'll find a very, very long list of very good beers (albeit bottled, not draught) for well under €5.

Im from Dublin and I have yet to go to a bar in Dublin, other than Wetherspoons where pints are less than €5. Ireland is unique for a European country, as we dont have high income taxes and tend to rely on taxes such as VAT and excise duty for Government Revenue. I worked in Germany last summer. I earned €1600 per month and it was only €1150 after tax. A pint of beer was about €4 in a bar, as the tax was lower on the pint, but my income was heavily taxed.

You can have low tax on goods or a low tax on income. In Ireland, we have lower taxes on Income.

suicide_circus

Mmmmm... €7 pints

Geuze

hfallada wrote: »

Im from Dublin and I have yet to go to a bar in Dublin, other than Wetherspoons where pints are less than €5.

I'd say that outside the city centre stout under 5.00 is very common.


Lowe's near the Coombe charge 4.30.

Just a little Samba

Geuze wrote: »

I'd say that outside the city centre stout under 5.00 is very common.


Lowe's near the Coombe charge 4.30.

But the bar is in the city centre...

lk67

Heading there next weekend and looking forward to it.

Did I miss where a pricelist went up?

snowblind

Geuze wrote: »

Zoigl in Franconia is 1.80 - 2.00 for 50cl in a pub.

Landbier in Nurnberg pubs is 2.50 - 3.50.

Taxes.

Might as well be comparing gas prices in here and the states. More comparable countries are UK, Nordics, Italy etc.

Even in the states beers vary from cheap as a chip to 50$ a bottle. What happens then is magical - I had a choice to spend my money as I wished. I didn't buy a 50$ bottle, and I didn't complain about the price of it either. And there was so much different stuff available, bottle shops with 60+ growler taps and thousands of different bottles of beer in the middle of Alabama. If Diageo had a stronghold there and there was a 5$/pint invented cap, they'd probably just serve sierra nevada and founders and fat tire. Which is not bad compared to 10 years ago but the reason why craft beer is so interesting is variety.

I might be able to buy a bottle of Pinot Noir in spar for a 7€ and it might be 2€ in Italy, but neither of those will ever be a Barolo.

finatron

The idea of this bar and bars like it is to provide the best and most interesting beers they can . To tasts these beers you have to expect to pay for it.

Saruwatari

So what day exactly are they opening? Seems vague

BeerNut

Wednesday.

dregin

Wait, wait, WAIT. Am I reading right? Is everything a fiver???

billythefish99

Lads this is a specialist beer bar selling rare and high quality beer. The constant droning on about prices is annoying. If you are the sort of person who doesnt want to pay more than 5 euro for 568mls of beer then go somewhere else, this bar is not for you. Luckily there are thousands more in the country. I dont understand the constant need to come onto threads like this one and post page after page of moaning about prices.

I was in Mikkeller in Copenhagen a few weeks ago drinking beer which was costing me between 15-18 euro a pint. It was fantastic and Id go back in a flash.

dregin

I'm not complaining about the price at all. Just want confirmation that everything's a fiver.

billythefish99

dregin wrote: »

I'm not complaining about the price at all. Just want confirmation that everything's a fiver.

It isnt

dregin

listermint wrote: »

The location is a bit.. meh or is that me, i think ive drank down that direction about twice in my life. relatively soulless part since mother red caps went down.

You couldn't be more wrong. The Thomas House is one of the best pubs around.

dregin

billythefish99 wrote: »

It isnt

Ah well! Can't wait to see how it goes for em!

Geuze

snowblind wrote: »

Taxes.

Might as well be comparing gas prices in here and the states. More comparable countries are UK, Nordics, Italy etc.

Note that after the excise rebate, for small breweries, the excise here is about 25-30c per pint.

It is low, but not zero, in Germany.

VAT here is 23%, vs 19% in Germany.

Herb Powell

billythefish99 wrote: »

Lads this is a specialist beer bar selling rare and high quality beer. The constant droning on about prices is annoying. If you are the sort of person who doesnt want to pay more than 5 euro for 568mls of beer then go somewhere else, this bar is not for you. Luckily there are thousands more in the country. I dont understand the constant need to come onto threads like this one and post page after page of moaning about prices.

I was in Mikkeller in Copenhagen a few weeks ago drinking beer which was costing me between 15-18 euro a pint. It was fantastic and Id go back in a flash.

Mikkeller is great alright, was there a couple of weeks ago myself....heard some dubs at a table....:P

That's fine as a one off, but I seriously feel there's a touch of the emperor's new clothes beyond a certain point. The same way I would never pay more than a certain amount for a meal. It's needless, and tbh wasteful.

Anyway, it's not up to anyone only themselves what they charge, but don't expect it to be praised just because. If I think it's a rip off well then that's what I'll say. Better to drink and be merry than worry what I shhite on about anyway.

finatron

billythefish99 wrote: »

Lads this is a specialist beer bar selling rare and high quality beer. The constant droning on about prices is annoying. If you are the sort of person who doesnt want to pay more than 5 euro for 568mls of beer then go somewhere else, this bar is not for you. Luckily there are thousands more in the country. I dont understand the constant need to come onto threads like this one and post page after page of moaning about prices.

I was in Mikkeller in Copenhagen a few weeks ago drinking beer which was costing me between 15-18 euro a pint. It was fantastic and Id go back in a flash.

I second this, most of the threads here end up about price and while price is important I don't don't think it should be the overriding theme of this thread. bars like this are about the beer the price is just a judgement call you'll have to make once your there.
If you want to try these enough beers you'll pay.

lk67

lk67 wrote: »

Heading there next weekend and looking forward to it.

Did I miss where a pricelist went up?

Still looking for that pricelist that many seem to be aware of. Do I take it it doesn't exist yet people are just guessing?

Also 330ml is a perfect volume for us beer tickers. It truly is the Goldilocks size imo.

squonk

The bar sounds a lot like the Holburn Whippet in London. There, rather than numbers, they've got a central brick chimney type area with taps prodtruding and, above the taps, are small chalboards that the bar guys update as needed once barrels run out and new ones are switched in.

That being said, if the beer is really good, e.g. Mikkeller standard, than €5/€6 for 330 ml isn't all that bad. Mikkellers beers are quite heaving going so you wouldn't really want a pint IMHO. I do get the impression that some ofthe Craft pubs operate like Apple Stores however. Apple produce nice gear but at a 40% profit margin. Those that like Apple pay the insane prices and don't quibble. Those who aren't convinced don't but have the option of buying last yar's model ether second hand or new at a lower price point. You can't do that with beer however which all ends up as the same yellow, unpallatable liquid in the end, be it Miller or Mikkeller! .

My point is that I might pay €50 for a steak, and when I have it's been excellent and memorable but it's something I'll treat myself to once a year if even. Paying €5 and upwards to drinks becomes a very expensive night very quickly.

BeerNut

squonk wrote: »

My point is that I might pay €50 for a steak, and when I have it's been excellent and memorable but it's something I'll treat myself to once a year if even. Paying €5 and upwards to drinks becomes a very expensive night very quickly.

I usually just have one or two €50 steaks on a night out, then switch to burgers and bolognese if I'm staying out.