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Planning, DC & AC Costs

  • 22-04-2015 5:00pm
    #1
    Chiorino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭


    Just looking for some opinions on costs.

    Have paid €2.5k for drawings & planning for 100sq m 2 storey domestic extension.

    Costs for Design Certifier and Assigned Certifier are coming in at €3300 plus €1500 for original architect to prepare drawings and construction notes. The original architect (for plans & drawings) does not do AC/DC roles and subs this out to a chartered engineer.

    Would these be typical costs for this type of project?


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  • #2
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    A 100m2 extension requires almost the same checking as a 300m2 new build. IMO those costs seem reasonable for the liability taken on and time required of the certifer

    But The guy who got you planning should have made you aware of the certifer roles and detailed drawing requirements, from the outset


  • #3
    Chiorino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Chiorino


    BryanF wrote: »
    But The guy who got you planning should have made you aware of the certifer roles and detailed drawing requirements, from the outset

    This is the bit I have the problem with tbh. I mentioned from the start that I needed everything done from start to finish. I knew that there was additional work involved with the new regs (not that I knew a huge amount amount the regs otherwise) and asked about costs for AC which is when I was told about the subcontracted engineer.

    A ball park figure of €1800 was mentioned (tbc with engineer once plans were done) but no mention was made of DC costs or additional architects fees to prep construction drawings.

    I do accept now that these are all unavoidable costs and from what I've been told, are fairly typical. I'm just a bit annoyed they weren't mentioned at the start as it's annoying spending money you didn't know you had to. I really just wish the architect had spelled it all out from the beginning. Thanks for the input.


  • #4
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Chiorino wrote: »
    This is the bit I have the problem with tbh. I mentioned from the start that I needed everything done from start to finish. I knew that there was additional work involved with the new regs (not that I knew a huge amount amount the regs otherwise) and asked about costs for AC which is when I was told about the subcontracted engineer.

    A ball park figure of €1800 was mentioned (tbc with engineer once plans were done) but no mention was made of DC costs or additional architects fees to prep construction drawings.

    I do accept now that these are all unavoidable costs and from what I've been told, are fairly typical. I'm just a bit annoyed they weren't mentioned at the start as it's annoying spending money you didn't know you had to. I really just wish the architect had spelled it all out from the beginning. Thanks for the input.
    I feel your pain. When (month/year) was the initial discussion ? In the arch's defence, many weren't upto date until late last year. And some still aren't..


  • #5
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Chiorino wrote: »
    I do accept now that these are all unavoidable costs and from what I've been told, are fairly typical. I'm just a bit annoyed they weren't mentioned at the start as it's annoying spending money you didn't know you had to. I really just wish the architect had spelled it all out from the beginning. Thanks for the input.

    This situation is what I was getting at in another thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95126420&postcount=492


  • #6
    Chiorino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Chiorino


    BryanF wrote: »
    I feel your pain. When (month/year) was the initial discussion ? In the arch's defence, many weren't up to date until late last year. And some still aren't..

    The initial discussions were last October.


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  • #7
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Chiorino wrote: »
    The initial discussions were last October.

    BCAR was in full swing, 6 months, at that stage.


  • #8
    Chiorino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Chiorino


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    This situation is what I was getting at in another thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95126420&postcount=492

    The cynic in me agrees with what you are saying. Would I still have given this architect the project if I know now what I knew then, possibly, possibly not. If costs and fees are unavoidable, so be it. Not being the professional, I feel I should have been told (or at least given some sort of heads up) what costs would arise and when.

    I've already been stung by the ESB for €1800 for a (new) reconnection so I'm getting a bit fed up with these surprises before I've even broken ground (and I'm sure there's more to come).


  • #9
    shaydoc
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭shaydoc


    hi,
    living in midlands. Renovating a 1300 sqft bungalow with ~900 sqft extension. I intend to have the house to a high energy standard (ext insulation, airtight, mechanically ventilated, etc).
    All fairly new to this as never done it before but you know yourself I am involved in friends conversations about building and some friends are in construction trades.
    Engineer company has performed planning drawings. Planning has passed.

    Now going to next stage i.e. carrying out Constructions drawings, specifying the construction, coordination with other professionals, and certifying as per Design Certifier. The drawings are going to be used for a tender process also.
    This stage (construction drawings and design certifier) is quoted as 3100+vat.

    Same COmpany is offering Assigned Certifier role with following example schedule (inspection schedule, coordinate all certs, building control reporting, 25-30 site inspections, complienace certs).
    THis is quoted as 3900+vat.

    Are these costs reasonable


  • #10
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    shaydoc wrote: »
    hi,
    living in midlands. Renovating a 1300 sqft bungalow with ~900 sqft extension. I intend to have the house to a high energy standard (ext insulation, airtight, mechanically ventilated, etc).
    All fairly new to this as never done it before but you know yourself I am involved in friends conversations about building and some friends are in construction trades.
    Engineer company has performed planning drawings. Planning has passed.

    Now going to next stage i.e. carrying out Constructions drawings, specifying the construction, coordination with other professionals, and certifying as per Design Certifier. The drawings are going to be used for a tender process also.
    This stage (construction drawings and design certifier) is quoted as 3100+vat.

    Same COmpany is offering Assigned Certifier role with following example schedule (inspection schedule, coordinate all certs, building control reporting, 25-30 site inspections, complienace certs).
    THis is quoted as 3900+vat.

    Are these costs reasonable
    Yes


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