Tough Enough thread

Digitalism

RedemptionZ wrote: »

It's scripted but every single WWE superstar would be considered an elite athlete by normal standards.

Really?

ricero

I'm tuning in mostly tonight to witness the butcher job on zz. I say Vince's head would explode if zz was to get the win.

RedemptionZ

Digitalism wrote: »

Really?

Mate I think you need to learn the definition of an athlete. Big Show is 7'2 and was a college basketball player. Mark Henry is a national and olympic powerlifter, Wyatt was an All American college football player as well as a state wrestling champion. Kevin Owens is about 6ft 110-120kgs and is still extremely agile. Don't judge a book by its cover, chubby doesn't equal unathletic. Big Show and Henry are coming to the end of their careers so obviously age plays a factor in them.

Xenji

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Did they bury Patrick? Surely he's one of the ideal winners for them? Or do they see more potential and don't want him associated with tough enough? I didn't think they had much reason to bury him, ZZ on the other hand... That'll literally be 250,000 down the drain.

The ratings are bad, but does anyone know are WWE losing money on this?

There have been a few rumours that a lot of people were quite high on Patrick and were shocked when he went out and that he could be offered something in the future.

rovert

https://twitter.com/ToughZZ/status/628618603810680832
https://twitter.com/ToughPatrickC/status/628622544103452672
What's this?

diusmr8a504cvk

Could be a guest? Could be brought back? Who knows what the WWE will pull out of their ass to get the show on track.

diusmr8a504cvk

Holy burial, They absolutely hate him! Take a look at this:

I'm gonna stay up tonight to watch this, I'm excited. I wholeheartedly believe that Paige and Daniel will use their saves tonight and screw ZZ.

Furious-Red

Yea i think the only way to get rid of him is to a double save

diusmr8a504cvk

Can't find the livestream anywhere

diusmr8a504cvk

https://youtu.be/psPSAtKMp9M

ricero

Lets go zz for the ****s and giggles

Professional Griefer

"dropped on my head" :pac:

Tinie

Lita is pointless in this, she contributes nothing.

Furious-Red

Im guessing the final 3 tonight will be ZZ , Sara and Gigi

seandotcomm

Most shocking moment in WWE since the streak ending. ZZ not in the bottom 3!!!!

RedemptionZ

No ZZ in the bottom three, very surprising

ricero

Bah gawd zz lives again

Furious-Red

Daniel Bryan to make amends and save Chelsea? :P

Furious-Red

Wow didnt see that coming

ricero

Sara Lee is a complete charsima vacum I'm shocked she's still in it. People must still feel sorry for her after Paige's bullying the first few weeks it seems

rovert

lol

diusmr8a504cvk

My favourite female to win is gone, Gigi remains on the show with a broken freakin' neck!

Tugboats

Caught about 10 minutes of this today. Probably the biggest collection of twats ever assembled on tv apart from ZZ:cool:

Bounty Hunter

interesting how Gigiactually got the lowest vote, she could be in trouble just due to others popularity later no matter how good she does with challenges etc

Now that Paige used her save it's not possible for the judges to screw ZZ either with 2 saves to make the vote null and void.

The Miz is really trying to be the heel with his Amanda schtick, first saving her cos shes hot then claiming he's going to put her in the bottom 3 then after the others don't "changing his mind". Not a fan of hers but did like her I can learn to wrestle but you cant learn to be hot jibe

grames_bond

Has the winning contract been properly figured out yet? I have heard everything from it's a 1 year main roster contract worth 250k, to it's a developmental deal (straight to NXT) and the money only kicks in if they renew after 1 year?

diusmr8a504cvk

I doubt they'll go straight to NXT, I wouldn't be surprised if they spent a year in the performance centre.

Bounty Hunter

grames_bond wrote: »

Has the winning contract been properly figured out yet? I have heard everything from it's a 1 year main roster contract worth 250k, to it's a developmental deal (straight to NXT) and the money only kicks in if they renew after 1 year?

afaik I'ts just a 1 year contract for 250k there is no set place they have to be and especially when it comes to a ZZ type of person they would def not be straight onto the main roster or even the NXT roster he would be made work out like a dog to earn that money and see if there is even a chance that he could end up on a WWE show outside of a 1 time Raw appearance announcing him as the TE champ

grames_bond

That's what i had assumed!

250k is a ridiculous amount of money though!

Machismo Fan

Watching them lock up is making me extremely sad.

What an awful, awful show.

jaykhunter

A bad show this week. Not enjoyable seeing WWE bury ZZ. Bryan grinding home him not working hard enough, and doggedly getting after Gigi whining about the botched powerslam wasn't fun either. Paige reigned it in a lot this week, which was a big improvement! Even though I like Sara, Paige is right to say it's a popularity contest (with Sara and ZZ as front-runners in voting). Here's Tough Enough in a nutshell:

Bounty Hunter

So public vote will give Sarah Lee the win then, another Dirty Lee for Jay & the OSW boys anyway

With the guys you really gotta think it'll be ZZ too once again just cos of the public vote. That said WWE def would prefer Josh

Blue_Dabadee

Sara pretty much has this competition in the bag.

It is going to be a toss up who male winner of this season is going to be, but my money is on ZZ.

ricero

I say he ever came up with the voting format for this show will have his p45 in the post once it's done. Had the potential to be a good show and I do enjoy certain aspects of it but the choosing of the contestants was shocking.

grames_bond

I enjoyed the sahow this week - finally more dealing with in ring challenges and less faffing around - its just annoying that ZZ is going to win, i still think he is all kinds of awful and I don't get why they were praising him for shaking the ropes - i thought he looked like an idiot doing it!

Wonder what the NXT guys actually thought though sitting there watching them!

Xenji

Just shows that the public want a nice plain jane instead of plastic Oompa-Loompa and a fat shy guy who loves his momma instead of a meathead, more than likely though everyone voting just wants to screw with the show :pac:

jaykhunter

I get the feeling if wwe aired the competitors matches live without editing (music, slow motion etc) it wouldve exposed everyone as light years from being ready to actually wrestle.
It's weird that the winners will just get a high paying first year in NXT, rather than what wwe try market it as (a new wrestling star in 10 weeks).

Machismo Fan

They were matches entirely built around hiptosses, power slams and shoulder tackles. There was literally nothing too them. They don't seem to have developed much considering they've been "training" for nine weeks now.

jmolloy

really enjoying it the last couple weeks, seems to have found some rhythm since Miz joined. Tanner is like Bryan-lite, he knows it as well with the shirts he wears, so think he'll win on the male side. Think Amanda could spring a surprise as well

RedemptionZ

jaykhunter wrote: »

I get the feeling if wwe aired the competitors matches live without editing (music, slow motion etc) it wouldve exposed everyone as light years from being ready to actually wrestle.
It's weird that the winners will just get a high paying first year in NXT, rather than what wwe try market it as (a new wrestling star in 10 weeks).

Yeah, would be much better to have people who are already relatively established wrestlers competing against each other. Sort of like TUF gets guys that are actually trained already.

rovert

jaykhunter wrote: »

I get the feeling if wwe aired the competitors matches live without editing (music, slow motion etc) it wouldve exposed everyone as light years from being ready to actually wrestle.
It's weird that the winners will just get a high paying first year in NXT, rather than what wwe try market it as (a new wrestling star in 10 weeks).

NXT doesn't even let trainees near a Wrestling ring until after 8-10 weeks of being there. Probably for both "respect the biz" and 2015 insurance/liability reasons.

Bounty Hunter

So we are down to the final four and interestingly ZZ did not get the biggest vote from the WWE universe last time so perhaps the WWE will get what they want and JoshThe Yeti will win the thing.

Meanwhile with the girls I still think Sara Lee might take it cos of the public vote because unlike Josh who is still a nice likeable guy I dont think Amanda realized that the public have such a big part to play in this until it was too late and thus has a more heelish or b!tchy persona which may work when in the business but on a reality show where the popular vote determines the winner it may jsut count against her.


edit: watched Tough Talk.... I wonder how many of the voters do, cos they really beat home the WWEs opinion this week i.e first half was all ragging on ZZ in particular for his cardio (even D Bryan making valid points on it which could hurt him) and then the last 10mins was all against "ring rat" Sara Lee.

diusmr8a504cvk

Turning it back old school with finishers such as the diving crossbody and the running powerslam, Bah Gawd!!

Stereomaniac

I voted for ZZ, as I have done since the start. I want to see how WWE get out of this fiasco!

rovert

Goodness gracious:
https://twitter.com/WWE/status/634135204031037440
https://twitter.com/WWE/status/634131465719185410

diusmr8a504cvk

Doesn't matter who they're in there with if all they can do is run the ropes, hip toss, powerslam and their finisher.

PTH2009

Sounds bad but ZZ reminds me of someone with special needs but if he wins he will need a lot of work to become successful

entropi

ZZ will need that full year to get himself to a really good level of fitness, that and to get his head in the game with regards to how tough the discipline actually will be and to develop his life around that. Josh is ideally the big strong lad that Vince would love to see up on main roster eventually, but the vote trolling might scupper those plans.

Sara Lee will win out ahead of Amanda. She seems to still have what Amanda said earlier (the girl next door), the fans might like a face to train up trough developmental, we shall see how it pans out in the end.

Stereomaniac

ZZ & Sara to win.

RedemptionZ

Doesn't really matter who wins, nobody in that top 4 will ever make it. Josh has the look but that's all he's got. It takes years to become a competent wrestler, and seeing as he is coming in with little to no interest or knowledge of the business, it's unlikely he'll give up a few years of his life to relatively thankless work. ZZ doesn't have what it takes full stop.

The diva division up until recently was a joke and looks played too much of a part than they should've, it seems to be changing (not that the newbies are bad looking) and if that trend continues the two female contestants have no chance either.

Basically this is an extremely pointless show, I don't care who wins and it needs to be done away with or undergo a lot of changes. Don't recruit fitness models or MMA fighters, get guys who are wrestlers by trade that are relatively undiscovered.

Furious-Red

Sarah just seems like another Bayley type character