The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

ArnoldJRimmer

Wow, nobody saw that coming (in best sarcastic voice)

Jayop

And RTE

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/634120877303570432

Jayop

The GAA and the CCCC have made themselves look like a bunch of fools.

Fr Tod Umptious

I have a feeling that this game will have all the quality of the 2014 All Ireland final.

Kerry as we all know are better up front than at the back.

Tyrone are as about as defensive team as you can get.

So the good Kerry forwards will not get the same amount of space as they have had before, but at the same time the Tyrone attack are far from world beaters.

It will be a rough defensive contest, with Kerry winning it based on having enough overall ability to get across the line, but not convincingly.

Brian Sheehan will have to be at his very best for 70mins to convert long frees, which Tyrone are far more likely to give away than closer in ones.

If JOD is playing his shoulder will be tested at every occasion by Tyrone

Jayop

Jayop wrote: »

And RTE

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/634120877303570432

RTE have deleted this tweet.

Not the first time the RTE GAA department has had to roll back on tweets this week. :rolleyes:

Fr Tod Umptious

Jayop wrote: »

RTE have deleted this tweet.

Not the first time the RTE GAA department has had to roll back on tweets this week. :rolleyes:

there was a re-tweet from the Irish Independent on the Mayo GAA twitter feed that has also been removed.

By the way Kevin Keane red downgraded to a yellow, he is available v Dublin

seligehgit

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I have a feeling that this game will have all the quality of the 2014 All Ireland final.

Kerry as we all know are better up front than at the back.

Tyrone are as about as defensive team as you can get.

So the good Kerry forwards will not get the same amount of space as they have had before, but at the same time the Tyrone attack are far from world beaters.

It will be a rough defensive contest, with Kerry winning it based on having enough overall ability to get across the line, but not convincingly.

Brian Sheehan will have to be at his very best for 70mins to convert long frees, which Tyrone are far more likely to give away than closer in ones.

If JOD is playing his shoulder will be tested at every occasion by Tyrone

I think Tyrone will make it very difficult for Kerry but Kerry's sheer depth of quality up front should ensure they prevail.IMO Tyrone need to keep it very tight early on as if the Kingdom get a run on them they could win with a bit to spare.

BonnieSituation

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

there was a re-tweet from the Irish Independent on the Mayo GAA twitter feed that has also been removed.

By the way Kevin Keane red downgraded to a yellow, he is available v Dublin

Why?

K-9

Jippo wrote: »

McCann cleared to play.

Keans over turned as well.

Being a GAA ref is a pretty pointless exercise really.

Stoner

Mayo were second best in 2013. Many of the mayo lads on the forum agreed at the time. It was one of those games that you never thought you'd lose as Mayo did not have the tools to get the goal they needed and it was obvious.

It was very close, they'd beaten Dublin and hopped all over them to close out the game in 2012. Dublin did the same in 2013.

2012 was Mayos 2013 was Dublins, it a good healthy rivalry.

2012 was handy enough for mayo and being 100% honest in 2013 I never felt like the Dubs would lose, it was one of those games. Wasn't it all about not having Andy Moran available as he was the playmaker:

This year will be different again Mayo are the most improved team, they have that goal threat that they didn't have in 2013 while Dublin had B Brogan there is a world of difference between Mayos goal potential now and then and that's a credit to the new management team.

Stoner

I'd have more of an issue with Keane being cleared as he did strike a player in the face and there is a rule for that but I see why it was dropped and I think it's the right decision.
Overall I'm glad both lads are available the 8 week thing was a joke.

It should be 8 weeks this time next year though.

Stoner

Tommy Walsh. 100% the best option imho.
Great in the air, strong as a horse. Back from OZ where he played in the backs

Stoner

DoctaDee wrote:

The moving of Mattie Donnelly to midfield has offered an additional option to their ability to carry ball from deep.

He is playing very well, very impressive. Moran is great there though. I'm still not convinced about Maher. I think Moran is excellent most likely the best midfielder in the country but I'd put a number of lads ahead of Maher.
Gallagher
MDMA
Parsons
SOS

All IMO have more to them, it something for Tyrone to look at .

Jayop

How could ye not love this fellas writing?

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-ó-sé-criticising-tyrone-makes-them-more-dangerous-1.2321198

Peist2007

Can't believe Keane got off. Striking is striking and it was pretty blatant.

ArnoldJRimmer

A hat trick of rescinded cards. And to be honest, the only one correctly over turned by the letter of the law was McCann's. It was a flimsy case at best, no matter how distasteful the incident was. By all means, introduce harsher rules for simulation next year, but don't trump up charges because of an outcry by media and fans alike

Meyler's was a pretty harsh black and seemed a strange decision at the time. But an argument could be made both ways about whether it merited the card

For Keane though, as much as I wouldn't want him to miss a game over a stupid incident when the game was already put to bed, was correctly sent off at the time. No harm done, but either implement the rules or don't.

BonnieSituation

Jayop wrote: »

How could ye not love this fellas writing?

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-ó-sé-criticising-tyrone-makes-them-more-dangerous-1.2321198

That's sarcasm right?

That was a paint-by-numbers article if ever I saw one.

I have to say I'm not digging his stuff at all at all. And as for talking up Tyrone. Who's he kidding.

"We'll be beat them won't we Darragh?"

Jippo

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That's sarcasm right?

That was a paint-by-numbers article if ever I saw one.

I have to say I'm not digging his stuff at all at all. And as for talking up Tyrone. Who's he kidding.

"We'll be beat them won't we Darragh?"

He said Kerry by five???

intellectual dosser

K-9 wrote: »

Being a GAA ref is a pretty pointless exercise really.

Who would be a ref?

You think of the abuse Brolly hurled at Marty Duffy in his Sunday Independent article, and now we have the GAA making it up as they go along.

What McCann did was pathetic, and needs to be stamped out, but we cant set a precedent of the GAA punishing players just because they think its right, without any grounds in the rules.

As for Keane, I'm sorry but a strike is a strike, I wasnt aware of discretion being allowed in the rules?

BonnieSituation

Jippo wrote: »

He said Kerry by five???

Yup. Drivel.

Sure ye could indeed in by five, but it's hardly analysis that brought him to that conclusion.

The difference between Jim Mc and Darragh in the analysis stakes is remarkable.

BonnieSituation

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Who would be a ref?

You think of the abuse Brolly hurled at Marty Duffy in his Sunday Independent article, and no we have the GAA making it up as they go along.

Was McCann did was pathetic, and needs to be stamped out, but we cant set a precedent of the GAA punishing players just because they think its right, without any grounds in the rules.

As for Keane, I'm sorry but a strike is a strike, I wasnt aware of discretion being allowed in the rules?

Duffy is an absolute shambles of a ref but he has been absolutely hung here by the CCCC. Disgraceful.

wackokid

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Duffy is an absolute shambles of a ref but he has been absolutely hung here by the CCCC. Disgraceful.

That means he will most likely ref the All Ireland Final so?
He looks nice when he's trotting.:D

BonnieSituation

wackokid wrote: »

That means he will most likely ref the All Ireland Final so?
He looks nice when he's trotting.:D

That's what I suspect.

Kerry v Mayo

Cormac Reilly to be on the line.

You heard it here first.

Jayop

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That's sarcasm right?

That was a paint-by-numbers article if ever I saw one.

I have to say I'm not digging his stuff at all at all. And as for talking up Tyrone. Who's he kidding.

"We'll be beat them won't we Darragh?"

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Yup. Drivel.

Sure ye could indeed in by five, but it's hardly analysis that brought him to that conclusion.

The difference between Jim Mc and Darragh in the analysis stakes is remarkable.

I just like reading his wee anecdotes.

Jippo

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The difference between Jim Mc and Darragh in the analysis stakes is remarkable.

I don't think it is remarkable at all.

Jimmy McG has been one of the most innovative thinkers on the game of all time.

Darragh is a legendary player but most of his thinking concerned his own game and perhaps some of the teams and situations he was in.

BonnieSituation

Jippo wrote: »

I don't think it is remarkable at all.

Jimmy McG has been one of the most innovative thinkers on the game of all time.

Darragh is a legendary player but most of his thinking concerned his own game and perhaps some of the teams and situations he was in.

It is remarkable in the sense that they are both trotted out as analysts, I would appreciate Darragh (and others) more if he was purely for colour. But he's not.

Stoner

I really like Darragh and value his predictions when he's talking about anybody but Kerry, regardless of how good or bad Jim is compared to him he is guilty of exactly the same thing when he's writting about Donegal.

So Jim will offer better analysis from now on, trying to call it as it is so his stock will go up , Darragh will be less insightful from now on as Kerry winning is more important to him than calling it like it is, for example he won't suggest a Kerry's players tail to pull or point to any real weakness in the Kerry team.

Jim has written some fairly soft and inaccurate stuff about Donegal this year .
It's all understandable.

BonnieSituation

Stoner wrote: »

I really like Darragh and value his predictions when he's talking about anybody but Kerry, regardless of how good or bad Jim is compared to him he is guilty of exactly the same thing when he's writting about Donegal.

So Jim will offer better analysis from now on, trying to call it as it is so his stock will go up , Darragh will be less insightful from now on as Kerry winning is more important to him than calling it like it is, for example he won't suggest a Kerry's players tail to pull or point to any real weakness in the Kerry team.

Jim has written some fairly soft and inaccurate stuff about Donegal this year .
It's all understandable.

Jim has been slightly critical of donegal as well.

Jim is in a difficult spot because he is the last manager and the current manager is his last assistant not to mention his clear relationships with the players. I love reading Jim and listening to him (same with Brolly if he tones down the crap)

Jayop

Ugh brolly. How anyone can think he's worth listening to.

BonnieSituation

Jayop wrote: »

Ugh brolly. How anyone can think he's worth listening to.

Because he's the one lad RTÉ have how doesn't just say "blanket defence" and leave it at that.

He's a pain in the hoop. But can be insightful the odd time.

Youo have Derry issues being a Tyrone man anyway.

seligehgit

I think Brolly can be very insightful and hit the nail on the head on assorted issues but it's hard to overlook his attention seeking personality,love of his own voice and at times petty comments about individuals.His never ending bluster can make it hard to see the wood from the trees.He does realise he is analyzing a sport where the participants and others are amateurs?

DoctaDee

wackokid wrote: »

That means he will most likely ref the All Ireland Final so?
He looks nice when he's trotting.:D

If there was one ref out there I could pick I'd love this fella ... just once to adorn the pitch

DoctaDee

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That's what I suspect.

Kerry v Mayo

Cormac Reilly to be on the line.

You heard it hear first.

FFS Bonnie, what you "suspect" and what you post are 2 different things

Jippo

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It is remarkable in the sense that they are both trotted out as analysts, I would appreciate Darragh (and others) more if he was purely for colour. But he's not.

To be fair I was only talking about his column which I wouldn't describe as analysis.

To be fair to you I completely forgot about his other 'analysis' work.

keeponhurling

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

For Keane though, as much as I wouldn't want him to miss a game over a stupid incident when the game was already put to bed, was correctly sent off at the time. No harm done, but either implement the rules or don't.

Absolutely ridiculous

Referee makes correct decision according to rulebook, and get over-ruled.

Similar to the Lee Keegan thing.

These types of appeals shouldn't even be entertained.

BonnieSituation

Jippo wrote: »

To be fair I was only talking about his column which I wouldn't describe as analysis.

To be fair to you I completely forgot about his other 'analysis' work.

To be fair we are being awful fair to each other of late.

Kalyke

keeponhurling wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous

Referee makes correct decision according to rulebook, and get over-ruled.

Similar to the Lee Keegan thing.

These types of appeals shouldn't even be entertained.

I also think Keane should have taken a ban. However, same as last year, lots of people going on and on about the rules. But those very rules accommodate for appeals, overturning of cards, bans etc. So only the rules that we like or suit "our" selves should be adhered to?

Peist2007

keeponhurling wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous

Referee makes correct decision according to rulebook, and get over-ruled.

Similar to the Lee Keegan thing.

These types of appeals shouldn't even be entertained.

How is the Kevin Keane incident similar to the Lee Keegan incident?

K-9

Kalyke wrote: »

I also think Keane should have taken a ban. However, same as last year, lots of people going on and on about the rules. But those very rules accommodate for appeals, overturning of cards, bans etc. So only the rules that we like or suit "our" selves should be adhered to?

We all know it'll be somebody else next year.

Its a GAA thing, always has been and always will until they grow the balls to do anything about it.

harpsman

Stoner wrote: »

Mayo were second best in 2013. Many of the mayo lads on the forum agreed at the time. It was one of those games that you never thought you'd lose as Mayo did not have the tools to get the goal they needed and it was obvious.

It was very close, they'd beaten Dublin and hopped all over them to close out the game in 2012. Dublin did the same in 2013.

2012 was Mayos 2013 was Dublins, it a good healthy rivalry.

2012 was handy enough for mayo and being 100% honest in 2013 I never felt like the Dubs would lose, it was one of those games. Wasn't it all about not having Andy Moran available as he was the playmaker:

This year will be different again Mayo are the most improved team, they have that goal threat that they didn't have in 2013 while Dublin had B Brogan there is a world of difference between Mayos goal potential now and then and that's a credit to the new management team.

Dont know about that-I was there with me dad supporting Mayo and even by Mayo standards it was crazy stuff-the sublime to the ridiculous in the space of minutes-i thought when McLoughlin fisted that one wide from 6 yards it was curtains;despite all the rugby tackling they still nearly blew a ten point lead and if it wasnt for a brilliant save by Clarke from Brogan it was game over. Still, brilliant game.

harpsman

Stoner wrote: »

I'd have more of an issue with Keane being cleared as he did strike a player in the face and there is a rule for that but I see why it was dropped and I think it's the right decision.
Overall I'm glad both lads are available the 8 week thing was a joke.

It should be 8 weeks this time next year though.

Its definitely not the right decision. It was as clear cut a straight red as you'll see. Other than that I agree with the rest of your post and Im glad hes clear to play. Problem is, Id say the Dublin forwards are too if 2012 is anything to go by;)

keeponhurling

Peist2007 wrote: »

How is the Kevin Keane incident similar to the Lee Keegan incident?

both commit a red card offence and get sent off.
both have ban overturned.
in both cases, ref is undermined.

DoctaDee

harpsman wrote: »

Dont know about that-I was there with me dad supporting Mayo and even by Mayo standards it was crazy stuff-the sublime to the ridiculous in the space of minutes-i thought when McLoughlin fisted that one wide from 6 yards it was curtains;despite all the rugby tackling they still nearly blew a ten point lead and if it wasnt for a brilliant save by Clarke from Brogan it was game over. Still, brilliant game.

Yeah that would be pretty much my read of it too, as good as Mayo were for 50 odd mins, it came down to Clarkes save to get them over the line in the end

Peist2007

keeponhurling wrote: »

both commit a red card offence and get sent off.
both have ban overturned.
in both cases, ref is undermined.

Sorry, i didnt realise your comparison was being formed in the broadest possible manner, rendering it meaningless.

Stoner

harpsman wrote: »

Dont know about that-I was there with me dad supporting Mayo and even by Mayo standards it was crazy stuff-the sublime to the ridiculous in the space of minutes-i thought when McLoughlin fisted that one wide from 6 yards it was curtains;despite all the rugby tackling they still nearly blew a ten point lead and if it wasnt for a brilliant save by Clarke from Brogan it was game over. Still, brilliant game.

I agree it was a close one alright, close but deserved. Our management team started MDMA at center forward. When they eventually moved him back to midfield the Dubs went on a run but it was too late, but it was Dublins fault, same with 2013 the Mayo line were too slow to respond to changes on the field. They are all reasons for losing IMO.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Tiernan McCann's ban has been thrown out and he is set to play.

Kevin Keanes ban is overturned and he is set to play.No action taken against Michel Murphy for instigating the incident either.

No action at all taken against Paul Finlay despite him punching a player on the back of the head.

The GAA's disciplinary bodies really are a disgrace.All 4 players above should be banned for some length of time but again the GAA have decided to turn a blind eye ill discipline but will then wonder why the players don't behave themselves.

shrewdness

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Tiernan McCann's ban has been thrown out and he is set to play.

Kevin Keanes ban is overturned and he is set to play.No action taken against Michel Murphy for instigating the incident either.

No action at all taken against Paul Finlay despite him punching a player on the back of the head.

The GAA's disciplinary bodies really are a disgrace.All 4 players above should be banned for some length of time but again the GAA have decided to turn a blind eye ill discipline but will then wonder why the players don't behave themselves.

Well Finlay did end up getting sent off anyway. If you went through that whole game you could find a few incidents to penalise I'd say.

McCann was always going to get off this - bad and all his dive was, it would be harsh to ban him when others got off with nothing only weeks earlier after doing similar. But the rules definitely have to be looked at going forward in relation to simulation, and all incidents punished rather than just the ones the media decide.

Keane getting off was the worst decision of the lot, just because it was a needless red which didn't affect the result, doesn't change the fact that it was a brainless move by him and he did strike.

bucketybuck

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

No action taken against Michel Murphy for instigating the incident either.

Murphy gets away with murder on the field, why would it be a surprise that he gets away with it off the field as well? If referees had any balls Murphy would have had a few black cards this year, but he got away with it every time because of who he is.

Even though I think McCanns actions were cowardly and despicable I fully expected him to have the ban overturned. On the other hand, I never in a million years thought that one of the most blatant striking actions ever seen in a big game would get overturned. Keane struck a player in the face, in full view of the officials and every camera in the country, the news that his card is rescinded is absolutely astounding and makes the GAA look like a bunch of chumps.

I can only assume that after heated discussions concerning McCann certain members of the CCCC got fed up, stopped giving a **** about the game and just said "sure let everybody off" in a fit of pique.

threeball

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Tiernan McCann's ban has been thrown out and he is set to play.

Kevin Keanes ban is overturned and he is set to play.No action taken against Michel Murphy for instigating the incident either.

No action at all taken against Paul Finlay despite him punching a player on the back of the head.

The GAA's disciplinary bodies really are a disgrace.All 4 players above should be banned for some length of time but again the GAA have decided to turn a blind eye ill discipline but will then wonder why the players don't behave themselves.

You can add the Brian Gavin incident to that as a result of which the ref in question has quit the game.
Its a complete shambles, one rule when there's big names or big games and another when its some poor sod in a club game that's been having the sh1t knocked out of him for 50mins and finally loses his temper and gives a lad a dig in the guts.

BonnieSituation

RTÉ tipping Tyrone. Odd given how much they bigged up Kerry earlier in the piece.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0820/722498-at-a-glance-championship-weekend/