The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

BonnieSituation

henke wrote: »

2013 Tyrone Mayo as well as this year. Donegal Cork in 2012 too.

2010 was the last time Dublin played in the first semi but they came through the back door on that occasion.

1974 Dublin Cork is the last time the Leinster champions were fixed to play first. Since the Quarters came in the Leinster champions or the team who beats them have always been fixed to play in the second semi. Not sue why this is the case.

That 2010 SF was technically Ulster v Munster

henke

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That 2010 SF was technically Ulster v Munster

Yeah you are right and the Leinster champions that year (Kildare) played in the second Semi like all the other years.

ArnoldJRimmer

henke wrote: »

Yeah you are right and the Leinster champions that year (Kildare) played in the second Semi like all the other years.

You're wrong, Louth won Leinster that year. Kildare came through the qualifiers

DoctaDee

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

You're wrong, Louth won Leinster that year. Kildare came through the qualifiers

My jaysis there's hand grenades being lobbed all over the place in this thread !! :P

henke

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

You're wrong, Louth won Leinster that year. Kildare came through the qualifiers

Actually you are right Kildare did come through the qualifiers and beat the Leinster champions in the Quarter final .

cj maxx

jjdonegal wrote: »

Yeah dont remember Munster not being first.
With that being said I cannot remember the last time Ulster was not on the last day either.

Alway remember as munster first provincal final , ulster and connaught usally on the same day. Cant remember leinster

Dirty Dingus McGee

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/de-valera-stood-against-nazis-by-helping-the-allies-31481553.html

Irish Independent 27/08/2015

Fans showed lack of respect

I left Croke Park last Sunday a proud Kerryman, but at half-time I had decided I would not be at the replay had the game ended in a draw.

I was disgusted by what I had witnessed. The booing from a group of Tyrone supporters just beside us was relentless from start to finish. The 'cheerleader' was a middle-aged man encouraging a group of young kids. What kind of example is this? These people should be privileged to see legends like Colm Cooper playing football in the flesh.

The word "respect" has been widely used by the GAA in the recent past, which has to be welcomed. Supporters and players alike should be encouraged to be respectful and stop this booing at games.

A trip to Thomond Park to witness the silence when a penalty is being taken would benefit these people.

GO Mainin
Pairc, An Spideal, Co Na Gaillimhe

wackokid

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/de-valera-stood-against-nazis-by-helping-the-allies-31481553.html

Irish Independent 27/08/2015

Fans showed lack of respect

I left Croke Park last Sunday a proud Kerryman, but at half-time I had decided I would not be at the replay had the game ended in a draw.

I was disgusted by what I had witnessed. The booing from a group of Tyrone supporters just beside us was relentless from start to finish. The 'cheerleader' was a middle-aged man encouraging a group of young kids. What kind of example is this? These people should be privileged to see legends like Colm Cooper playing football in the flesh.

The word "respect" has been widely used by the GAA in the recent past, which has to be welcomed. Supporters and players alike should be encouraged to be respectful and stop this booing at games.

A trip to Thomond Park to witness the silence when a penalty is being taken would benefit these people.

GO Mainin
Pairc, An Spideal, Co Na Gaillimhe

Sweet Jesus it's hard to swallow your 'I'm a proud Kerryman and holier than thou spiel. You should have been standing beside me in Tralee one fine summer evening this year when your beloved Kerry minor footballers were playing the Cork minors. You should have heard the vitriol and abuse being hurled at 18 yr old boys in red jerseys by middle aged well dressed Kerry 'supporters'. I thought I had just stood in a bad place in front of a bunch of thicks so I went about 50 yards down the terrace and whaddya know, same story. Not the first time either that I have been forced to listen to these truly great Cooper admirers as you so lovingly describe your tribe.
There are none so blind as those who don't wish to see and the whole of GAA Ireland knows how all of your ex Kerry footballers now media scribes left no stone unturned to discredit Tyrone in the weeks prior to the match. It worked too and even the three RTE analysts agreed on that after the game. The whole of GAA Ireland also know that Tyrone have never been forgiven by Kerry for '03, '05 and '08 and your letter to the indo is laughable.

Wang King

He's quoting a letter, its not his


Won't anybody think of the children!

Fr Tod Umptious

Always found the Tyrone fans to be the worst, not surprised by a letter like that.

ProudDUB

You have to laugh at the pomposity of this bit.

These people should be privileged to see legends like Colm Cooper playing football in the flesh.

DoctaDee

I've never had a problem with Tyrone supporters either here or up in Omagh, as Jim Gavin would say there's a certain "esprit du couer" between us . Booing is just a herd mentality - while it's not something I agree with it's certainly isn't something that would cause outrage - there's a vocal number on The Hill during the AI series that you don't hear during the league.

The one thing that gets my goat is supporters in the Cusack celebrating a goal against Dublin turning around and throwing up the 2 fingers .. WTF ?

I've given 3 "taps on the shoulder" in all my years - 1 to a fella that stood up and hit an aul fella with his program two rows ahead of me - 2 - to a group of 3 lads whose team was pulversing Dublin but saw fit to rub it in around parents and kids in an industrial manner and 3 was a proper straightener in the Hogan after numerous attempts asking a group to sit down and being told to effoff repeatedly ... none of those 3 instances involved northern teams ...

ciarriaithuaidh

wackokid wrote: »

Sweet Jesus it's hard to swallow your 'I'm a proud Kerryman and holier than thou spiel. You should have been standing beside me in Tralee one fine summer evening this year when your beloved Kerry minor footballers were playing the Cork minors. You should have heard the vitriol and abuse being hurled at 18 yr old boys in red jerseys by middle aged well dressed Kerry 'supporters'. I thought I had just stood in a bad place in front of a bunch of thicks so I went about 50 yards down the terrace and whaddya know, same story. Not the first time either that I have been forced to listen to these truly great Cooper admirers as you so lovingly describe your tribe.
There are none so blind as those who don't wish to see and the whole of GAA Ireland knows how all of your ex Kerry footballers now media scribes left no stone unturned to discredit Tyrone in the weeks prior to the match. It worked too and even the three RTE analysts agreed on that after the game. The whole of GAA Ireland also know that Tyrone have never been forgiven by Kerry for '03, '05 and '08 and your letter to the indo is laughable.

Your quite dubious posting history here means you are no authority to be commenting on such matters.

Your attitude to anything to do with Kerry, is to quote yourself "laughable".

ArnoldJRimmer

Maybe in the final, every time the Gooch touches the ball the crowd should fall silent in awe of his ginger majesty. Chr!st above, what a load of nonsense. Off to Thomond with you where you can watch your eggball in peace.

DDC1990

I was more annoyed with the Kerry fans booing Tiarnan McCann and Ole-ing for all the passes on the 50th minute or so. ****ty sportsmanship. You have idiots from all counties.

Did let a few choice words fly in Niall Morgan's direction after his ridiculous OTT celebration of a point in the first half. Made a right tit of himself IMO.

corny

Its strange the conventions around booing in this country. Yeah at Thomond they'll go quiet for a penalty but its somehow OK to heckle the opposition hooker at the line out. Makes no sense. Can't see the big deal myself.

Never found the Tyrone lads any bother either. Quite the contrary actually.

theoneeyedman

DDC1990 wrote: »

I was more annoyed with the Kerry fans booing Tiarnan McCann and Ole-ing for all the passes on the 50th minute or so. ****ty sportsmanship. You have idiots from all counties.

Did let a few choice words fly in Niall Morgan's direction after his ridiculous OTT celebration of a point in the first half. Made a right tit of himself IMO.

There are 2 well documented instances of this ole-ing backfiring. In 01, Meath hammered kerry I'm a semi final, they ole-ed like he'll in the 2nd half. They were subsequently hammered, and I think it was several years after that before they won in Croke Park after that.
I'm the 01 final that galway won, they returned the favour by ole-ing whenever galway kept possession. IIRC they haven't won a championship game on Croke Park since.

Schadenfreude I think it's called.

Fr Tod Umptious

theoneeyedman wrote: »

There are 2 well documented instances of this ole-ing backfiring. In 01, Meath hammered kerry I'm a semi final, they ole-ed like he'll in the 2nd half. They were subsequently hammered, and I think it was several years after that before they won in Croke Park after that.
I'm the 01 final that galway won, they returned the favour by ole-ing whenever galway kept possession. IIRC they haven't won a championship game on Croke Park since.

Schadenfreude I think it's called.

That's brilliant.
Ole-ing is the 21st century version of the curse of Biddy Early.

Hammer Archer

theoneeyedman wrote: »

There are 2 well documented instances of this ole-ing backfiring. In 01, Meath hammered kerry I'm a semi final, they ole-ed like he'll in the 2nd half. They were subsequently hammered, and I think it was several years after that before they won in Croke Park after that.
I'm the 01 final that galway won, they returned the favour by ole-ing whenever galway kept possession. IIRC they haven't won a championship game on Croke Park since.

Schadenfreude I think it's called.

The reaction of our fans in that semi final was embarrassing and it spread to some of our players. Remember Cullinan scoring our second goal late on (game was well over at this stage) and leaping about the place as if he'd scored a last minute winner. Think this was mentioned by Darren Fay in an interview in the last year or so. Some players (and fans) assumed the final was a foregone conclusion.
Some younger fans who were probably too young to remember that Kerry game started oléing towards the end of last year's Kildare game and were promptly shut up by every Meath fan in the vicinity.

However, it is a bit more common than people suggest. Dublin fans around me did it in last year's Leinster final, our fans did it in the 2010 hammering of Dublin (while the others tried to shut them up), Kildare fans did it when they beat us in 2010 and 2011.

DoctaDee

Hammer Archer wrote: »

The reaction of our fans in that semi final was embarrassing and it spread to some of our players. Remember Cullinan scoring our second goal late on (game was well over at this stage) and leaping about the place as if he'd scored a last minute winner. Think this was mentioned by Darren Fay in an interview in the last year or so. Some players (and fans) assumed the final was a foregone conclusion.....
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Yeah I remember it well - was in the early flourishes of romance with SWMBO and scored 2 tickets to the game - last place I wanted to be with our own 2 days in Thurles still fresh in my mind :pac: The 2 things that struck me on the day was as you say the olé's and also a few Kerry lads in front of us who took off their jerseys midway thru the 2nd half and stuffed them into their bags.

Her Da would've been on good terms with John Mc from their mutual love of slaughtering cows .. but I remember him retelling me McDermotts take on the aftermath of that game of fellas walking about like superstars and the eye was most definetely taken off the prize

Axel Lamp

wackokid wrote: »

Sweet Jesus it's hard to swallow your 'I'm a proud Kerryman and holier than thou spiel. You should have been standing beside me in Tralee one fine summer evening this year when your beloved Kerry minor footballers were playing the Cork minors. You should have heard the vitriol and abuse being hurled at 18 yr old boys in red jerseys by middle aged well dressed Kerry 'supporters'. I thought I had just stood in a bad place in front of a bunch of thicks so I went about 50 yards down the terrace and whaddya know, same story. Not the first time either that I have been forced to listen to these truly great Cooper admirers as you so lovingly describe your tribe.
There are none so blind as those who don't wish to see and the whole of GAA Ireland knows how all of your ex Kerry footballers now media scribes left no stone unturned to discredit Tyrone in the weeks prior to the match. It worked too and even the three RTE analysts agreed on that after the game. The whole of GAA Ireland also know that Tyrone have never been forgiven by Kerry for '03, '05 and '08 and your letter to the indo is laughable.

Wang King wrote: »

He's quoting a letter, its not his


Won't anybody think of the children!

and the writer is from Galway too............

Peist2007

This is the quietest i have heard the Dubs over the past few years. Definitely noteworthy.

BonnieSituation

Peist2007 wrote: »

This is the quietest i have heard the Dubs over the past few years. Definitely noteworthy.

castletownman

Anyone hear James Horan and David Brady previewing the match on Off the Ball last night? Now I know it was Mayo-centric in terms of the analysts but it was interesting nonetheless. They were discussing the potential match-ups Mayo might opt with and were debating who would pick up Dean Rock (should he start). Am I the only who feels he is the least threat amongst the Dublin forwards?

The way I see it:

Cafferkey on Brogan
Higgins on Connolly (like glue)
Boyle on Flynn
Barrett on Kilkenny

The main match-up's above. Leave Keegan as the attacking weapon, and maybe picking up Kilkenny further up the pitch should he drop back as the sweeper.

Brady also suggested that maybe Mayo might pull AOS further out the field in the first ten minutes and isolate Barry Moran as the "big man" one-on-one on Cooper/McMahon. Could be a shrewd move.

Whatever happens, I have the entire day off for once and haven't looked forward to a game as much in a long time. Nevermind, the Sunday Game punditry bemoaning the current state of the game. Gaelic football is focking awesome.

Peist2007

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Exactly. And i turn on the tv or radio and what do i see? Ex Mayo players who won feck all when it mattered talking absolute sh1te. Worried.

BonnieSituation

Peist2007 wrote: »

Exactly. And i turn on the tv or radio and what do i see? Ex Mayo players who won feck all when it mattered talking absolute sh1te. Worried.

Same on OTB. It's been a Mayo-tastic week.

As a Dub I am under a strict omerta. Lest Docta, Slattsy and Stoner come after me. So yeah. I'm saying nothing.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIGUu0bvpMQ

Peist2007

BonnieSituation wrote: »

SAme on OTB. It's been a Mayo-tastic week.

As a Dub I am under a strict omerta. Lest Docta, Slattsy and Stoner come after me. So yeah. I'm saying nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIGUu0bvpMQ

Whatever about Horan appearing on OTB last night, David Brady has nothing to say and ties himself up in knots. He said he was going to shock everyone with his prediction and what followed was a cringeworthy mess. All topped off by the Mort in a shiny blue suit talking in earnest, sombre tones to Ivan Yeats on TV3 last night, you couldnt make it up.

BonnieSituation

Peist2007 wrote: »

Whatever about Horan appearing on OTB last night, David Brady has nothing to say and ties himself up in knots. He said he was going to shock everyone with his prediction and what followed was a cringeworthy mess. All topped off by the Mort in a shiny blue suit talking in earnest, sombre tones to Ivan Yeats on TV3 last night, you couldnt make it up.

Horan on OTB is one of the best things of the week. He is an astounding analyst. Same as Jimmy Mac.

elefant

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I'm the 01 final that galway won, they returned the favour by ole-ing whenever galway kept possession. IIRC they haven't won a championship game on Croke Park since.

Schadenfreude I think it's called.

Lord. Forced correctness in GAA is getting out of hand if we're claiming fans Ole-ing when their team are cruising home in an All-Ireland final is suddenly not kosher.

Also- well documented where? I've literally never heard this come up before.

Peist2007

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Horan on OTB is one of the best things of the week. He is an astounding analyst. Same as Jimmy Mac.

Think you are giving both parties too much credit there. Horan and McGuinness are articulate guys who know the game. Apart from the fact that they know their ex-players very well i dont think you could say anything that was said on OTB last night was "astounding". Horan basically said what people have said in here, 50-50 and a potentially great match.

DanielODonnell

http://www.jeron.je/anglia/learn/sec/history/partire/palelg.jpg

This map is quite accurate in showing who will be supporting Mayo on sunday and who will be supporting Dublin

ProudDUB

Eh...since when do Louth people automatically support Dublin?

I know of a few people who bought homes in Drogheda during the Celtic Tiger years, as they couldn't afford Dublin house prices, but that's just taking the piss. :P

BonnieSituation

Peist2007 wrote: »

Think you are giving both parties too much credit there. Horan and McGuinness are articulate guys who know the game. Apart from the fact that they know their ex-players very well i dont think you could say anything that was said on OTB last night was "astounding". Horan basically said what people have said in here, 50-50 and a potentially great match.

Overall.

I'm hardly judging him on just Thursday night.

He's genuinely great to listen to and you do learn things which is what I want from an analyst.

Not like Ó Sé and the like.

Muff Richardson

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Overall.

I'm hardly judging him on just Thursday night.

He's genuinely great to listen to and you do learn things which is what I want from an analyst.

Not like Ó Sé and the like.

can you point out what exactly was great about the analysis? that's not a snipe at you I am just wondering what I missed. seemed to me like it was just a whole load of bar stool pub chat. perhaps due to horans loyalty to Mayo and not wanting to uncover some Mayo team secrets.

djPSB

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Horan on OTB is one of the best things of the week. He is an astounding analyst. Same as Jimmy Mac.

Did Horan go for Mayo or Dublin?

seanhynes

djPSB wrote: »

Did Horan go for Mayo or Dublin?

He was on UTV Ireland with Michael Meehan and Mossy Quinn he fancied mayo by 2-3 points

frostyjacks

Horan's one of the better pundits, was one of the few to speak sense after the McCann saga.

Think the Dubs will win tomorrow, but sticking a few euro on O'Shea to get the first goal. McGee was a tighter marker than anything the Dubs have.

davegrohl48

Muff Richardson wrote: »

can you point out what exactly was great about the analysis? that's not a snipe at you I am just wondering what I missed. seemed to me like it was just a whole load of bar stool pub chat. perhaps due to horans loyalty to Mayo and not wanting to uncover some Mayo team secrets.

He told in detail what you have to do as a team to push up on kickouts if you are playing a sweeper. He didnt labour the point but it was an interesting piece thought. Also mentioned the zonal/man to man you can do trying to mark defenders on kickouts.

OldMrBrennan83

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intellectual dosser

It's impossible to know what the Dubs will be like, I'm sure the lack of hype and attention is by design, they could be an animal today, but then they could be totally limp.

We know more about what Mayo are about, and I think the game will be decided in the Dublin full forward line vs the Mayo full back line match up.

I'm going to back Mayo, but money or no money I've started to genuinely want them to go all the way.

OldMrBrennan83

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cj maxx

Patww79 wrote: »

I know people say it shouldn't matter but Dublin have just had it too easy for their own good. They've got into an awful habit of faffing about too much and trying to walk the ball into the net. It'll bite them at this stage.

Think your right. The dubs can move the ball great , esp their forwards, given time and space. But mayo will be alot tghter and intense than what dublin have met so far.
But mayo havent exactly had a hard championship either.
Seems obvious but restrict dublin getting goals ( esp early ones) and mayo are well on the way .
Mayo by 3

frostyjacks

Dubs by 3.

Hopefully they'll be talking about the game after, not more black card/yellow card controversies.

OldMrBrennan83

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BonnieSituation

Muff Richardson wrote: »

can you point out what exactly was great about the analysis? that's not a snipe at you I am just wondering what I missed. seemed to me like it was just a whole load of bar stool pub chat. perhaps due to horans loyalty to Mayo and not wanting to uncover some Mayo team secrets.

Wasn't taken that way boss. Frostyjacks summed it up. I was in a foetal position for most of yesterday. So he's defo helped me out there with the response.

I don't think he's as biased as he could be tbh. He has been oft critical as well. Not to a great extent but he is aware that he's the previous manager so he can't go laying into the team full on. Same with Jim and Donegal but there is insight there that you don't get from the likes of Brady, Ó Sé etc

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Dublin by a couple today. A game for the ages to play out in front of us. COYBIB!

Rjd2

how long roughly would you reckon you have to wait for the game to show up on the rteiplayer?

Muff Richardson

Patww79 wrote: »

I know people say it shouldn't matter but Dublin have just had it too easy for their own good. They've got into an awful habit of faffing about too much and trying to walk the ball into the net. It'll bite them at this stage.

do you not think that this is more to do with playing poor opposition and lads trying to hang on to their spot by getting scores and showing off a bit. kudos to Westmeath in the Leinster final for keeping the score respectable up to halftime but the first half was nothing more than mé féiner showmanship from the entire Dublin forward line, they had multiple goal and easy point chances were a pass given.

I have absolutely no idea what to expect from Dublin today and I don't think many people do, for that reason I think it's a bit much that everyone is billing this to be such a classic beforehand. it could be a slaughter in either direction in my opinion. although perhaps all the hype is more a reflection of just how poor the championship structure is that all we have to get really excited about is the last 3 games.

OldMrBrennan83

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harpsman

Mayo kicking it away

DanielODonnell

I had a bet of Dublin to win and Man Utd not to lose, it just shows you how much sports betting is a waste of time.