Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

NukaCola

Todd Gack wrote: »

Because they're better

We should demand loyalty from the best players because they are better? What?

LuckyLloyd

Knex. wrote: »

The one time the WAG actually wants to live in Liverpool, and its Fabio fucking Borini.

Just our fecking luck :pac:

Ha!

I did find the conversations on him this year funny in light of same though. Borini wouldn't be the first man in history to make a sub optimal career move for a woman and fair play to him for it, but I don't think him staying had a huge amount to do with him 'fighting for his place' or whatever.

LuckyLloyd

Regarding the general Rodgers debate honestly I feel pretty calm about where we are now. I think he will probably be retained and probably will fail to survive as far as July 2016. I think he will be straight jacketed enough in the transfer market over the summer to not squander a whole lot more funds and we'll be starting again in summer 2016 with a fundamentally sound financial footing and stadium improvements in train. The squad will need a lot of work and we'll be out of the CL but we'll be able to move forward and any new manager will be likely to hammer FSG for assurances regarding transfer policy. The only problem I have really is that I think this summer is a unique year where a number of talented managers are in play due to a merry go round affect that is unlikely to be present next year. It would be better if we moved now, but FSG are probably going to stand pat.

So it's a shame that we lose a zombie year but so be it. Rodgers has done okay over all but I'm not worried about him conquering the world when he leaves us.

Where Agent Coulson is spot on imo is that the idea of managerial 'dynasties' is dead. Barring Ferguson, no CL winning manager won the trophy as part of a spell greater than eight years in length, and the average is lower than that and coming down all the time. People want to pretend otherwise, but we are a big club with the ultimate objective of winning trophies. As such, you come in, get to work and get a few years to push through and win a lot of football games. Otherwise you get moved aside for someone else to give it a lash. This isn't going to be a debate two thirds of the way through next season when we are further adrift of the top four and out of the Europa League.

In that context though, the difference between closing the deal or coming just short is significant and I disagree with Agent Coulson in that if Rodgers had found a way to finish it down the stretch last year he would be afforded more time in my mind because he would have pushed through. But not unlimited time, maybe an extra season or two tops. But let's not be kidding ourselves - the big dogs in Europe are getting along just fine with managerial stints in the 1 - 5 year range on average. The criteria is success, and Rodgers frankly isn't good enough to get too worked up over or invested in.

Dickerty

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Borini wouldn't be the first man in history to make a sub optimal career move for a woman

Hey, I'll have you know I am very happy teaching typewriter maintenance in the South Bronx. Deoshenique is my soul mate.

5starpool

Dickerty wrote: »

Hey, I'll have you know I am very happy teaching typewriter maintenance in the South Bronx. Deoshenique is my soul mate.

Pics or GTFO!

marklazarcovic

LuckyLloyd wrote:

In that context though, the difference between closing the deal or coming just short is significant and I disagree with Agent Coulson in that if Rodgers had found a way to finish it down the stretch last year he would be afforded more time in my mind because he would have pushed through. But not unlimited time, maybe an extra season or two tops. But let's not be kidding ourselves - the big dogs in Europe are getting along just fine with managerial stints in the 1 - 5 year range on average. The criteria is success, and Rodgers frankly isn't good enough to get too worked up over or invested in.

But it won't matter who we bring in if the top players won't follow..we could have ancelloti and still finish 5th or 6th given the squads were up against..

Hence we can't hire his ilk because he won't work with a project that's limited...nor will pep..Jose..

We are in the 2 nd tier..like it or not.. The manager we have has a long term plan. That's why he's there..he will work within the limits set down by the owners and won't complain too much..



This is why I'd love a oil baron owner

citytillidie

JohnDaniels wrote: »

Post in the Chelsea thread remembering that Gerrard slipped a year ago today. A season in which you finish below Liverpool in second and City win the league and that is worth remembering today? Is that not quite odd? I guess no matter how much money a billionaire pumps into a club that small time mentality will always be hard to shake.

Maybe we can do one in May 3rd to remember the ghost goal :pac::D

Buford T. Justice XIX

Knex. wrote: »

Going to try very hard not to get excited about the prospect of Depay joining. I think he would be an absolutely fantastic addition.

I just can't help but feel we'll be left disappointed again.

He would be exciting but i agree with you, he will probably go elsewhere.

JohnDaniels wrote: »

James Pearce has become a mouthpiece for pretty much anything Rodgers wants to get out into the press recently. He has already started an assault in trying to push Borini and Balo out the door. It will be great for us though if they both show some fight and stay!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/rodgers-hopes-liverpool-fcs-unwanted-9131639

Why.
We need to sell Borini, at least, as he will not get much game time unless we are in the Europa and Balotelli has been poor, at best.

marklazarcovic wrote: »

But it won't matter who we bring in if the top players won't follow..we could have ancelloti and still finish 5th or 6th given the squads were up against..

Hence we can't hire his ilk because he won't work with a project that's limited...nor will pep..Jose..

We are in the 2 nd tier..like it or not.. The manager we have has a long term plan. That's why he's there..he will work within the limits set down by the owners and won't complain too much..



This is why I'd love a oil baron owner

It doesn't matter who owns us, we can only spend what we make.

LuckyLloyd

marklazarcovic wrote: »

But it won't matter who we bring in if the top players won't follow..we could have ancelloti and still finish 5th or 6th given the squads were up against..

Hence we can't hire his ilk because he won't work with a project that's limited...nor will pep..Jose..

We are in the 2 nd tier..like it or not.. The manager we have has a long term plan. That's why he's there..he will work within the limits set down by the owners and won't complain too much..



This is why I'd love a oil baron owner

I have no faith in his long term plan. But I agree with you that a hiring round shines a light on where FSG are in terms of their investment plan for the club. Those managers could be available and express an interest 'with assurances' and then FSG would go for another Rodgers up and coming type to whom everything is bigger and better than they've had before so are happy to work within it for a while. As fans we should therefore welcome change, anything that makes it harder for the owners to hide is a good thing.

More generally though, a bunch of WASP money men from New England have as much to do with Liverpool as a classless and mysterious Oil billionaire from Siberia. The club had soul when the Moore family were here but we sold that and the only real difference between FSG and Abromavich from our perspective is the latter is willing to do what it takes to win and has demonstrated how to win it all no matter who the manager is.

MD1990

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Regarding the general Rodgers debate honestly I feel pretty calm about where we are now. I think he will probably be retained and probably will fail to survive as far as July 2016. I think he will be straight jacketed enough in the transfer market over the summer to not squander a whole lot more funds and we'll be starting again in summer 2016 with a fundamentally sound financial footing and stadium improvements in train. The squad will need a lot of work and we'll be out of the CL but we'll be able to move forward and any new manager will be likely to hammer FSG for assurances regarding transfer policy. The only problem I have really is that I think this summer is a unique year where a number of talented managers are in play due to a merry go round affect that is unlikely to be present next year. It would be better if we moved now, but FSG are probably going to stand pat.

So it's a shame that we lose a zombie year but so be it. Rodgers has done okay over all but I'm not worried about him conquering the world when he leaves us.

Where Agent Coulson is spot on imo is that the idea of managerial 'dynasties' is dead. Barring Ferguson, no CL winning manager won the trophy as part of a spell greater than eight years in length, and the average is lower than that and coming down all the time. People want to pretend otherwise, but we are a big club with the ultimate objective of winning trophies. As such, you come in, get to work and get a few years to push through and win a lot of football games. Otherwise you get moved aside for someone else to give it a lash. This isn't going to be a debate two thirds of the way through next season when we are further adrift of the top four and out of the Europa League.

In that context though, the difference between closing the deal or coming just short is significant and I disagree with Agent Coulson in that if Rodgers had found a way to finish it down the stretch last year he would be afforded more time in my mind because he would have pushed through. But not unlimited time, maybe an extra season or two tops. But let's not be kidding ourselves - the big dogs in Europe are getting along just fine with managerial stints in the 1 - 5 year range on average. The criteria is success, and Rodgers frankly isn't good enough to get too worked up over or invested in.

Im not going to watch next season at all tbh. U seem to know exactly how next season will pan out so no real point. See u in the summer of 2016.:p

noodler

J Mysterio wrote: »

Would have loved if Balotelli had proved a success.

redzerdrog wrote: »

never had a chance to be a success the way we set up was never going to get the best out of him.

I thought it was pretty obvious he wouldn't be a success - although even I expected more than two league goals.

Dickerty

5starpool wrote: »

Pics or GTFO!

She scrubs up well...

LuckyLloyd

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It doesn't matter who owns us, we can only spend what we make.

There are ways and means. Chelsea have become a global clearing house for young footballing talent for example, stockpiling young players and bringing in a healthy side revenue stream in loan fees and eventual onsale fees. And you can always argue to what extent you are in breach...

Abramovich doesn't need the club to be self financing, FSG do. Even within the spirit of following the regulations, that difference has a big impact in what squad you end up with.

LuckyLloyd

MD1990 wrote: »

Im not going to watch next season at all tbh. U seem to know exactly how next season will pan out so no real point. See u in the summer of 2016.:p

gr8 m8

ERG89

noodler wrote: »

I thought it was pretty obvious he wouldn't be a success - although even I expected more than two league goals.

Think he is still stuck on 1 league goal
Borini has 1 and chunky Lambert 2 I think.
Absolutely shameful returns

MD1990

looking at these stats there is no doubt Manquillo should be getting more gametime.

Buford T. Justice XIX

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

There are ways and means. Chelsea have become a global clearing house for young footballing talent for example, stockpiling young players and bringing in a healthy side revenue stream in loan fees and eventual onsale fees. And you can always argue to what extent you are in breach...

Abramovich doesn't need the club to be self financing, FSG do. Even within the spirit of following the regulations, that difference has a big impact in what squad you end up with.

My point exactly. They are making money from 'developing' young talent and selling it on.

Arsenal did similar though they sold one 'star' player each season and can now reap the rewards of buying one star player each season

ManU are a commercial juggernaut.

Man City get huge 'sponsorship' from middle eastern companies.

All are within the parameters of FFP, mostly.

We will be doing a combination of each of the above to get the money and will not be dependent on just one primary source of funding which will be a big advantage over the rest.

The difference is they have their models well developed whereas we are only a few years into developing those income streams.

5starpool

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Man City get huge 'sponsorship' from middle eastern companies.

On this. I think City's sponsorship deal that was controversial was for 300m for 10 years for shirt/stadium/training kit deal, which is less than even we are getting now, never mind the 100m utd stand to get from the above items per season once their new kit deal kicks in.

It was disproportionate for them at the time the deal was done, but it's actually less than they'd have got if they had short term deals i nplace that reflected their league standings.

I might be mistaken on the figures but that's what comes to mind anyhow.

OwaynOTT

MD1990 wrote: »

looking at these stats there is no doubt Manquillo should be getting more gametime.

It's a pity he is so toothless going forward though but for a young player in a new league he has been very sound at the back, most of the time.
However out of him and Flannaghan, I take Flanno.
Can't imagine there's much between them defensively but Flanaghan is far more comfortable on the ball and has a real cool head in possession and doesn't panic under pressure like some of our other defenders.
How well Fkanaghan plays after missing a year out is a big worry. Look at young Kelly, a lot of us felt he would be a big player for us but injuries blighted his progression.

Another player I had hopes for was young Wisdom. I always felt he was better than kelly.

chicorytip

Lukaku is a far superior player to Benteke who is one - paced (slow) and only at his most effective when attacking crosses. Everton would more than likely sell for the right price.

Dickerty

OwaynOTT wrote: »

It's a pity he is so toothless going forward though but for a young player in a new league he has been very sound at the back, most of the time.

If we play a back 4, he's fine, but as a wide player in a back 5/3, he doesn't have the chops. But worth keeping for the second year I think, assuming he's happy here.

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Another player I had hopes for was young Wisdom. I always felt he was better than kelly.

Wisdom needs to accept his fate as a CB. I think he'd work for us as the RCB in a 3, cause his primary role is a defender, not expected to contribute much in attack. But he's not a modern RB, gives very little in attack.

A defense of him, Skrtel and Sakho, with Can as the holding CM, would be pretty hardy. But still lacking in top quality.
I'd rather give Ilori that RCB slot, his pace would work covering behind Ibe or similar as the winger, I think he'd blossom given a chance...

5starpool

chicorytip wrote: »

Lukaku is a far superior player to Benteke who is one - paced (slow) and only at his most effective when attacking crosses. Everton would more than likely sell for the right price.

Given that they paid 28m for him last summer, what do you think the right price is?

Buford T. Justice XIX

chicorytip wrote: »

Lukaku is a far superior player to Benteke who is one - paced (slow) and only at his most effective when attacking crosses. Everton would more than likely sell for the right price.

Or we could go for the guy who kept him out of the Belgian team at the world cup....whasssisname.......Origi i think:pac:

Crash Bang Wall

marklazarcovic wrote: »

reached agreement i said, we can do that

I believe we can also sign PL players as soon as the season finishes, and I may be wrong on this one, but I think we could sign Milner on a pre contract before then also

Harry Palmr

MD1990 wrote: »

looking at these stats there is no doubt Manquillo should be getting more gametime.

I'm impressed by Enriques minus rating.

noodler

5starpool wrote: »

Given that they paid 28m for him last summer, what do you think the right price is?

This is the cruz of any discussion on Lukaku.

Harry Palmr

25 years ago today Liverpool last won the Premier League First Division the club has spent £770 million since then (presumably that's unadjusted for inflation) according to the Express.

OwaynOTT

Moreno comes out a but better here and Manquillo not so well.

Can't link image on phone.

djPSB

martyos121 wrote: »

It's as if Rodgers is the ONLY manager to have said something that's come back to bite him in the arse. It has happened to EVERY manager at some point. Ferguson was wrong about Hendo, Mourinho was dead wrong about Kalou. I could go on...

Ferguspn said Phil Jones would go on to be one of the clubs greatest players.

5starpool

Harry Palmr wrote: »

25 years ago today Liverpool last won the Premier League First Division the club has spent £770 million since then (presumably that's unadjusted for inflation) according to the Express.

Who is the lad between Hansen and Venison? I can't place him. I know the rest in the photo though.

Agent Coulson

5starpool wrote: »

Who is the lad between Hansen and Venison? I can't place him. I know the rest in the photo though.

Glenn Hysen

Dickerty

5starpool wrote: »

Who is the lad between Hansen and Venison? I can't place him. I know the rest in the photo though.

I was thinking the same thing...

Beardsley, Rosenthal, Gillespie, Molby, Whelan, Rush, Ablett, Barnes, Grobbelaar
McMahon, Burrows, Venison, Hysen, Hansen, Nicol, Houghton, Staunton

Actually not a lot of goals in there on paper, but they were so good at the back, and the midfield chipped in so well. Like the best recent United teams, to be honest.

LuckyLloyd

Does anyone remember the BBC vhs that was knocking about the mid nineties called 'Liverpool: Team of the Decade' which basically went over 1980 - 1989 as only the BBC can? God it was great. It seems obvious now when you look at that team photo in terms of the age profile of the key players and the miles they had on the clock, but the fall off under Sounness really was extraordinary. Moreover, the inability of the club to capatilise on their standing during the nineties and establish a commercial revenue base was unforgivable.

5starpool

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Glenn Hysen

Yes, thanks! I knew it'd be obvious once I heard the answer.

marklazarcovic

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Does anyone remember the BBC vhs that was knocking about the mid nineties called 'Liverpool: Team of the Decade' which basically went over 1980 - 1989 as only the BBC can? God it was great. It seems obvious now when you look at that team photo in terms of the age profile of the key players and the miles they had on the clock, but the fall off under Sounness really was extraordinary. Moreover, the inability of the club to capatilise on their standing during the nineties and establish a commercial revenue base was unforgivable.

Were still playing catch up because of lack of vision at the time. Sickens me still,really wished the same would happen to utd after fergie left..prob will to a lesser degree success wise but not financially..

Remember the club shop during our hey day? When fans came from all over the world ,mostly here and Scandinavia though...where we couldn't buy any merchandise bar a jersey at home...

Arrive at an field wanting to buy heaps...whole bus load of galweigans ready to spend...

A fckin run down prefab..in one door..walk through the 25 feet and out the other side..one counter...one staff member...

Still can't believe it lol

kfallon

Harry Palmr wrote: »

25 years ago today Liverpool last won the Premier League First Division the club has spent £770 million since then (presumably that's unadjusted for inflation) according to the Express.

Needs more Alex Watson imo......

Domo1982

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Does anyone remember the BBC vhs that was knocking about the mid nineties called 'Liverpool: Team of the Decade' which basically went over 1980 - 1989 as only the BBC can? God it was great. It seems obvious now when you look at that team photo in terms of the age profile of the key players and the miles they had on the clock, but the fall off under Sounness really was extraordinary. Moreover, the inability of the club to capatilise on their standing during the nineties and establish a commercial revenue base was unforgivable.

Sure do - good times. Came across this one recently on youtube. Full VHS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h4APiEZudg

You could watch the Brady goal a million times and not get bored!:)

kfallon

Wasn't Brian Barwick head of Sport at BBC around then and he was a big Liverpool fan, think that's why there were a lot of BBC Liverpool videos out at the time!

ronjo

I saw Aldo in a boozer in Dalkey last Friday.... He hasnt changed much at all and must be in his mid 50s I guess.

kfallon

Match of The Day Goal of The Season Contenders 87-88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz92Ty7EyMM

brevity

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Does anyone remember the BBC vhs that was knocking about the mid nineties called 'Liverpool: Team of the Decade' which basically went over 1980 - 1989 as only the BBC can? God it was great. It seems obvious now when you look at that team photo in terms of the age profile of the key players and the miles they had on the clock, but the fall off under Sounness really was extraordinary. Moreover, the inability of the club to capatilise on their standing during the nineties and establish a commercial revenue base was unforgivable.

The last sentence really explains a lot of why we are where we are.

Dickerty

I am guessing this was the LFC only GOTS!

Barnes for me, the way he ghosts past those two defenders to score is poetry...

Colemania

kfallon wrote: »

Match of The Day Goal of The Season Contenders 87-88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz92Ty7EyMM

I sense a bit of bias there

ERG89

Dickerty wrote: »

I am guessing this was the LFC only GOTS!

Barnes for me, the way he ghosts past those two defenders to score is poetry...

McMahon's skill around 1:18 was fantastic that was as much his goals as Aldo's......**** we have a game tonight Hull away.
Does it even matter

LuckyLloyd

ERG89 wrote: »

Does it even matter

Nope, not in a competitive sense. It matters a little in so far as our form guide is currently LLWLD and doing the same over the remaining five games would leave us feeling very deflated heading into the summer and might have more significant consequences.

ozzy jr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

25 years ago today Liverpool last won the Premier League First Division the club has spent £770 million since then (presumably that's unadjusted for inflation) according to the Express.

I wonder if Stevie G is aware of the anniversary? If he is, he must really be hurting today.

rob316

Knex. wrote: »

The one time the WAG actually wants to live in Liverpool, and its Fabio fucking Borini.

Just our fecking luck :pac:

How did that one get past the swear filter, I wonder? Exception for Borini maybe :pac:

Wont somebody think of the children on this forum.

Guy:Incognito

kfallon wrote: »

Match of The Day Goal of The Season Contenders 87-88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz92Ty7EyMM

I have the 87/88 season review video at home. Watched it every couple of weeks for about 3 years after. Absolute quality.

EDIT. This is it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1469285/

Knex*

rob316 wrote: »

How did that one get past the swear filter, I wonder? Exception for Borini maybe :pac:

Wont somebody think of the children on this forum.

Filter me? Filter me?!

I made the BBC!

marklazarcovic

Knex. wrote: »

Filter me? Filter me?!

I made the BBC!

read that in brian blessed's voice