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Masala

JCX BXC wrote: »

Ryanair don't do any of the routes I named from Cork, Nemanrio was speaking ironically. My point was those routes you would only achieve from Ryanair, and in order to do that you'd likely need to make some large deal with RYR again, which Cork does not want to repeat, as we've seen time and time again from airports all across Europe what this means, a witchhunt of all other carriers away from the airport. You want to diversify, not have one monopoly.

Berlin moved to Kerry and won't be returning to Shannon on a second note.

My bad!!!!

Nemanrio

JCX BXC wrote: »

Add for about 2 years, before they pull out leaving the airport with less than it had before they came in. Happened in Shannon and Cork several times, even as recently as last few years in Shannon.

If that was the case, couldn't these airlines come back if Ryanair decided to leave or strike a deal whereby Ryanair couldn't pull out a any time?

JCX BXC

Nemanrio wrote: »

If that was the case, couldn't these airlines come back if Ryanair decided to leave or strike a deal whereby Ryanair couldn't pull out a any time?

Not that simple whatsoever, markets have already been run down, aircraft allocated to different routes and if these airlines came back on the routes it's very possible Ryanair would suddenly have a change of heart.

Example from Shannon, Bristol has never returned, Manchester has gone from 21 weekly to 4 weekly, Birmingham has gone from 2x daily to 1x daily.

The polish routes that Ryanair ran Wizz out of in Cork have not returned, and I don't doubt their viability!

snotboogie

May CSO Stats:
Foreign Airport    2016M05    2017M05    Diff Per
London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 32,661 33,948 1,287 3.94%
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 28,908 31,273 2,365 8.18%
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 16,720 15,195 -1,525 -9.12%
Faro (FAO),Portugal 15,974 14,886 -1,088 -6.81%
Malaga (AGP),Spain 12,597 13,955 1,358 10.78%
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 10,490 11,026 536 5.11%
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 9,518 9,362 -156 -1.64%
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 8,101 9,275 1,174 14.49%
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 7,813 7,543 -270 -3.46%
Palma (PMI),Spain 7,521 9,041 1,520 20.21%
London City (LCY),Great Britain 7248 0 -7,248 -100.00%
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 6,364 5,395 -969 -15.23%
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 6,334 6,573 239 3.77%
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 3,881 3,829 -52 -1.34%
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 3,559 3,495 -64 -1.80%
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 3,322 3,270 -52 -1.57%
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 3,278 4,207 929 28.34%
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 3,267 3,191 -76 -2.33%
Alicante (ALC),Spain 2,478 3,556 1,078 43.50%
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 2,137 1,924 -213 -9.97%
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 2,088 2,271 183 8.76%
Munich - Franz Josef Strauss (MUC),Germany 2,085 1,781 -304 -14.58%
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 1,772 1,711 -61 -3.44%
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 1,629 2,216 587 36.03%
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 1,552 903 -649 -41.82%
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 1,430 1,390 -40 -2.80%
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 990 912 -78 -7.88%
Leeds Bradford (LBA),Great Britain 795 12 -783 -98.49%
Reus (REU),Spain 448 422 -26 -5.80%
Reykjavik - Keflavik (KEF),Iceland 0 1089 1,089

roundymac

Aparently Swiss are upgrading the Geneva route to an A320 for the remaining flights. (pprune)

lisasimpson

Mixed bag there in the May figures. Will be interesting to see how he next three months do

KCAccidental

Can certainly see why Wow are pulling out

JCX BXC

Disappointing to see Dusseldorf falling as it is a relatively new route.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

What's up with the 12 passengers to Leeds?

JCX BXC

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

What's up with the 12 passengers to Leeds?

Things like that are normally just things like private jets etc.

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

May CSO Stats:
Foreign Airport    2016M05    2017M05    Diff Per
London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 32,661 33,948 1,287 3.94%
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 28,908 31,273 2,365 8.18%
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 16,720 15,195 -1,525 -9.12%
Faro (FAO),Portugal 15,974 14,886 -1,088 -6.81%
Malaga (AGP),Spain 12,597 13,955 1,358 10.78%
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 10,490 11,026 536 5.11%
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 9,518 9,362 -156 -1.64%
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 8,101 9,275 1,174 14.49%
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 7,813 7,543 -270 -3.46%
Palma (PMI),Spain 7,521 9,041 1,520 20.21%
London City (LCY),Great Britain 7248 0 -7,248 -100.00%
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 6,364 5,395 -969 -15.23%
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 6,334 6,573 239 3.77%
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 3,881 3,829 -52 -1.34%
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 3,559 3,495 -64 -1.80%
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 3,322 3,270 -52 -1.57%
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 3,278 4,207 929 28.34%
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 3,267 3,191 -76 -2.33%
Alicante (ALC),Spain 2,478 3,556 1,078 43.50%
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 2,137 1,924 -213 -9.97%
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 2,088 2,271 183 8.76%
Munich - Franz Josef Strauss (MUC),Germany 2,085 1,781 -304 -14.58%
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 1,772 1,711 -61 -3.44%
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 1,629 2,216 587 36.03%
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 1,552 903 -649 -41.82%
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 1,430 1,390 -40 -2.80%
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 990 912 -78 -7.88%
Leeds Bradford (LBA),Great Britain 795 12 -783 -98.49%
Reus (REU),Spain 448 422 -26 -5.80%
Reykjavik - Keflavik (KEF),Iceland 0 1089 1,089

Just over 240 a day average on LCY last May; discounting that it closes early on Saturdays which would push it higher.

There's surely viability there for twice daily on an Embraer 175 or similar?

DylanGLC

So, if I added that all up right, there have been 809,418 passengers in the first five months. How does that compare to last year (if no one knows I will add that up too)? That is before the US flights, too, and the summer months

lisasimpson

roundymac wrote: »

Aparently Swiss are upgrading the Geneva route to an A320 for the remaining flights. (pprune)

Zurich route seems to be popular enough good to hear.wonder could it become a year round service.by reports the change in plane shows that even a small runway extention would be a welcome addition but will never happen.

On a side note we often discuss cork been an expensive option to fly from. Recently booked flights to Faro in Oct Cork worked out a lot cheaper than shannon for same dates..

snotboogie

KCAccidental wrote: »

Can certainly see why Wow are pulling out

May wasn't a full month for them. I think their first flight was on the 19th

snotboogie

DylanGLC wrote: »

So, if I added that all up right, there have been 809,418 passengers in the first five months. How does that compare to last year (if no one knows I will add that up too)? That is before the US flights, too, and the summer months

Ya pretty much, about 808k. It was 799k in 2016. The overall figures are out up until the end of July, 1.333 million in 2017 compared to 1.304 million in 2016. So up 2.2% YTD. Most of the growth for the year so far came in July.

snotboogie

marno21 wrote: »

Just over 240 a day average on LCY last May; discounting that it closes early on Saturdays which would push it higher.

There's surely viability there for twice daily on an Embraer 175 or similar?

This is the route summary:

Irish Airport   [/td]
Foreign Airport   [/td]
2015M10   [/td]
2015M11   [/td]
2015M12   [/td]
2016M01   [/td]
2016M02   [/td]
2016M03   [/td]
2016M04   [/td]
2016M05   [/td]
2016M06   [/td]
[/tr]
Cork (ORK),Republic Of Ireland[/td]
London City (LCY),Great Britain[/td]
6189[/td]
4954[/td]
5852[/td]
3907[/td]
5236[/td]
6783[/td]
6276[/td]
7248[/td]
6319[/td]
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For a route that was pulled so quickly it was a long way from a complete failure. I guess the winter numbers, especially jan scared them? I don't know enough about the industry to say for sure....

snotboogie

2015M10   [/td]
6,189[/td]
[/tr]
2015M11   [/td]
4,954[/td]
[/tr]
2015M12   [/td]
5,852[/td]
[/tr]
2016M01   [/td]
3,907[/td]
[/tr]
2016M02   [/td]
5,236[/td]
[/tr]
2016M03   [/td]
6,783[/td]
[/tr]
2016M04   [/td]
6,276[/td]
[/tr]
2016M05   [/td]
7,248[/td]
[/tr]
2016M06   [/td]
6,319[/td]
[/tr]

Wont post above so here is the LCY Cork Summary:


2015M10   6,189
2015M11   4,954
2015M12   5,852
2016M01   3,907
2016M02   5,236
2016M03   6,783
2016M04   6,276
2016M05   7,248
2016M06   6,319

.red.

lisasimpson wrote: »

Zurich route seems to be popular enough good to hear.wonder could it become a year round service.by reports the change in plane shows that even a small runway extention would be a welcome addition but will never happen..

Zurich is gone the start of October, pretty much full all summer.
Passenger numbers on the WOW were pitiful, I can't get my head around how bad they were. Roughly 170/180 seats and they averaged under 100 all summer, a lot of times it had 70/80 on board. Not a lot of transit passengers either.

Iceland is very expensive but so is Zurich which is doing well. A few days in each would cost the same as a week in Spain or Portugal. I've heard from someone working up there that the Zurich flight seems to be full of Swiss people coming to Cork and retuning, very few Irish using it, maybe the Swiss don't travel in the winter lol.

deRanged

The Zurich route is odd. I've been trying to use it, but it's over twice the price that Dublin is. I can pay a certain premium for the convenience of flying out of Cork, but not 100%. I'm about book out of Dublin again as a result.

lisasimpson

snotboogie wrote: »

May wasn't a full month for them. I think their first flight was on the 19th

i flew this route in May and v low numbers both ways..route would suit winter season better but even at that id say would struggle to average 100 passengers

snotboogie

lisasimpson wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

May wasn't a full month for them. I think their first flight was on the 19th

 
i flew this route in May and v low numbers both ways..route would suit winter season better but even at that id say would struggle to average 100 passengers

Yes but the 1k pax doesn't reflect a full month

Wyldwood

I flew Wow out of Cork in August and the planes were less than half full each way. It's a pity that it failed as it's a beautiful country albeit expensive. I'd love to go back.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

deRanged wrote: »

The Zurich route is odd. I've been trying to use it, but it's over twice the price that Dublin is. I can pay a certain premium for the convenience of flying out of Cork, but not 100%. I'm about book out of Dublin again as a result.

This. Completely overpriced, won't touch it as a result.

snotboogie

Traffic up 7.2% for August, Cork has been the fastest growing airport in the country for the last two months now. After a slow start the summer has been good for the airport overall.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Cork-Airport-is-Irelands-fastest-growing-airport-10008fcc-6682-49ea-9d5f-42edeec3f399-ds

Saying that July and August have been helped by LCY finishing in June 2016 and Norwegian coming on board in July 2017. Still there was over 12% growth in August 2016 so 7.2% on top of that this year is still a good achievement.

Ardennes1944

When will we find out if Zurich has been extended or if it will come back does anyone know?
We have used it several times for coming home now and its much easier than flying in Dublin with Ryanair and getting the aircoach.
We have never paid more than 200euro return for the flight, although I have seen crazy prices too.

JCX BXC

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

When will we find out if Zurich has been extended or if it will come back does anyone know?
We have used it several times for coming home now and its much easier than flying in Dublin with Ryanair and getting the aircoach.
We have never paid more than 200euro return for the flight, although I have seen crazy prices too.

If its not being extended, we'll only know when it becomes bookable again.

Ryanair's summer schedule released, no change from last year. Keep in mind seasonal increases not loaded yet so don't worry that routes like Alicante and that extra frequencies in routes like Lanzarote aren't showing yet.

lisasimpson

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

When will we find out if Zurich has been extended or if it will come back does anyone know?
We have used it several times for coming home now and its much easier than flying in Dublin with Ryanair and getting the aircoach.
We have never paid more than 200euro return for the flight, although I have seen crazy prices too.

Would be very surprised if it didnt return next year. Has been one of the success stories of new routes in recent years. Hopefully it will return for longer season or increase frequency. Seems to be hit a miss with the prices in the fares but that doesnt appear to impact the numbers

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Will Cork get a New York route from Norwegian do we think? I see they're placing a 737 Max on the Boston route at the end of the month and their CEO seems happy with the figures.

snotboogie

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Will Cork get a New York route from Norwegian do we think? I see they're placing a 737 Max on the Boston route at the end of the month and their CEO seems happy with the figures.

I think it depends more on the performance of the 737 Max than it does on the Pax on the Boston route. Some mumblings at the end of last month that they were starting to look at New York again. Seeing a Max in Cork would be a great sign though.

JCX BXC

Hard to believe they would only be doing the math now on a route they've been planning for years, it's simply stalling IMO.

Can I ask where did you hear the info about the 737 MAX? Was wondering when they'd get more.