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snotboogie

Pretty positive rumblings for Cork coming from Aerlingus COO Mike Rutter:

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The airline will buy eight Airbus A321 Long Range craft to aid future expansion. Mr Rutter confirmed that this could ultimately include a transatlantic service from Cork.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-and-dublin-airport-relations-have-soured-immensely-1.3243989[/font]

Curb Your Enthusiasm

snotboogie wrote: »

Pretty positive rumblings for Cork coming from Aerlingus COO Mike Rutter:

They've had years of opportunities to do it. The only reason they are saying that is because of Norweigan operating the Boston/Providence route.

JCX BXC

A press release means little. Pay heed to nothing until the service is announced!

snotboogie

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

Pretty positive rumblings for Cork coming from Aerlingus COO Mike Rutter:

They've had years of opportunities to do it. The only reason they are saying that is because of Norweigan operating the Boston/Providence route.

Tbf the A321Neo is a game changer. Their deliveries are phased over 2019 and 2020 I think, so it would be 2020 at the absolute earliest, realistically 2021, as the Dublin routes will get priority. It's positive to see this get a mention in a paper that isn't The Examiner or The Echo. If the Norwegian routes succeed I think we'll see transatlantic Aerlingus from Cork early next decade., the lack of noise on the Stewart route is a worry though....

snotboogie

Strange tweet from Cork Airport:
Transatlantic passengers travelling from @CorkAirport with @NorwegianUKI in 2017 now exceed 10,000. #Growth
https://twitter.com/CorkAirport/status/918380282352455681
With under 189 on both of the 737's used from Cork and 3 flights a week it doesn't seem possible. Am I missing something?

razorblunt

Maybe they've included bookings made for the remainder of the year in that stat?

JCX BXC

snotboogie wrote: »

With under 189 on both of the 737's used from Cork and 3 flights a week it doesn't seem possible. Am I missing something?

They count inbound flights as well as outbound flights.

snotboogie

JCX BXC wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

With under 189 on both of the 737's used from Cork and 3 flights a week it doesn't seem possible. Am I missing something?

They count inbound flights as well as outbound flights.

Well they did specify travelling from Cork

roundymac

Probably return bookings. When was there ever an accurate count done ,,,,in any airport.

.red.

snotboogie wrote: »

Well they did specify travelling from Cork

That tweet is a load of sh1te.
It clearly says FROM Cork airport but their including figures for both inbound AND outbound. There hasn't even been 10,000 seats available out of Cork since it started.

vince

Ive traveled with Turkish Airlines a few times recently from Dublin to Istanbul. Flights always seem full on the 737 wouldnt it be a great addition to Cork if they severed Istanbul from Cork opening up the east.

KCAccidental

vince wrote: »

Ive traveled with Turkish Airlines a few times recently from Dublin to Istanbul. Flights always seem full on the 737 wouldnt it be a great addition to Cork if they severed Istanbul from Cork opening up the east.

a lot of the Turkish pilots train at Cork airport these days. At least they'd be well experienced

zetalambda

razorblunt wrote: »

Maybe they've included bookings made for the remainder of the year in that stat?

Yeah, I reckon they've surpassed 10,000 ticket sales from launch until the end of 2017.

roundymac

http://irishpost.co.uk/aer-lingus-flight-ireland-makes-emergency-landing-britain-fumes-board/
These A320s seem to be in a right state.

JCX BXC

zetalambda wrote: »

Yeah, I reckon they've surpassed 10,000 ticket sales from launch until the end of 2017.

That wouldn't be possible, as there's only around 10,500 tickets been on sale in total from the start of July to December.

lisasimpson

vince wrote: »

Ive traveled with Turkish Airlines a few times recently from Dublin to Istanbul. Flights always seem full on the 737 wouldnt it be a great addition to Cork if they severed Istanbul from Cork opening up the east.

Wonder could the new routes/airline to be announced be eurowings.
Whatever it is I hope announment is made before christmas as some people like receiving flights aa presents

snotboogie

Cork Airport terminal to be torn down

Also

Meantime, Volotea has announced, following its summertime introduction, to double its flights to Verona, near Lake Garda, in northern Italy next year. The airline plans to operate flights on Saturdays and Wednesdays from May 26-August 29

roundymac

snotboogie wrote: »

Cork Airport terminal to be torn down

Also

That's be no harm, I wonder will the old tower be included as well. Also it will be great to get a third airbridge, I wonder is the possibility of a NYC service starting to drive that?

lisasimpson

Any chance they would make passport control a bit bigger? As well as the flight I came back on last sunday 2 others landed at the same time. Now even though queue moved quick enough it was packed enough..with increases in non EU passport holders coming through the aiport can see it becoming a issue.

Also flying out tues after lunch was a bit disspointed to see airside messy. It wasnt long after lunch not much left in the restuarant and down by the bar empty bear bottles and glasses left to be collected in the waiting areas. Cleaner going around didnt seem to interested either..wasnt a good impression on the airport although i will say it was a 1st time i found the place messy

JCX BXC

roundymac wrote: »

That's be no harm, I wonder will the old tower be included as well.

Can't wait for people to complain that "ryanair wanted to make Cork a hub from that terminal!"

thomil

JCX BXC wrote: »

Can't wait for people to complain that "ryanair wanted to make Cork a hub from that terminal!"

Don’t worry, they’re at it already. Check out the comment sections of the usual suspects (Evening Echo, Examiner, et al). You’d swear that the new terminal is some kind of prison ward by some of the comments. Clueless would be an understatement.

As far as the move itself, that’s long overdue if you ask me. Wonder how they’ll arrange the new stands, and for what aircraft sizes?

snotboogie

July stats are out:

Foreign Airport    2016M07    2017M07 Diff Per
London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 38974 42368 3394 8.71%
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 31812 31936 124 0.39%
Faro (FAO),Portugal 20672 20466 -206 -1.00%
Malaga (AGP),Spain 17030 18945 1915 11.24%
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 17087 14733 -2354 -13.78%
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 9741 11536 1795 18.43%
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 10522 11024 502 4.77%
Palma (PMI),Spain 10226 10865 639 6.25%
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 9410 9653 243 2.58%
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 8603 9640 1037 12.05%
Alicante (ALC),Spain 5650 7371 1721 30.46%
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 7220 7036 -184 -2.55%
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 5335 6580 1245 23.34%
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 7067 6261 -806 -11.41%
Reus (REU),Spain 5974 5626 -348 -5.83%
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 3648 4679 1031 28.26%
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 3785 3888 103 2.72%
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA 0 3394 3394
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 3306 3354 48 1.45%
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 3329 3283 -46 -1.38%
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 2811 3176 365 12.98%
Bergamo - Orio Al Seri (BGY),Italy 2812 3161 349 12.41%
Gerona (GRO),Spain 3074 3129 55 1.79%
Carcassonne (CCF),France 3117 3069 -48 -1.54%
Bordeaux - Merignac (BOD),France 2676 3057 381 14.24%
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 2427 2938 511 21.05%
Madrid (MAD),Spain 2536 2833 297 11.71%
Reykjavik - Keflavik (KEF),Iceland 1 2590 2589
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 2611 2588 -23 -0.88%
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 2317 2385 68 2.93%
Munich - Franz Josef Strauss (MUC),Germany 2500 2275 -225 -9.00%
Zurich (ZRH),Switzerland 0 2065 2065
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 1258 1681 423 33.62%
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 1775 1420 -355 -20.00%
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 1901 1149 -752 -39.56%
Rennes (RNS),France 934 1138 204 21.84%
Verona - Boscomantico (QBS),Italy 1163 1138 -25 -2.15%
St. Mawgan (NQY),Great Britain 4 883 879
Leeds Bradford (LBA),Great Britain 960 10 -950 -98.96%
Jersey (JER),Great Britain 720 10 -710 -98.61%
La Rochelle Laleu (LRH),France 1242 0 -1242 -100.00%
Nantes Adlantique (NTE),France 666 0 -666 -100.00%

snotboogie

Norwegian numbers for Ireland:
 
2017M07
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA
Dublin (DUB),Republic Of Ireland 5,878
Cork (ORK),Republic Of Ireland 3,394
Shannon (SNN),Republic Of Ireland 2,327
Newburgh Stuart (SWF),USA
Dublin (DUB),Republic Of Ireland 9,164
Cork (ORK),Republic Of Ireland 0
Shannon (SNN),Republic Of Ireland 2,699

snotboogie

Interesting article from last week:
Cork Airport boss buoyed by strong numbers

Niall McCarthy expects 2.3 million pax in 2017, an increase of 4%. He hints at some struggles with the Norwegian route by saying they need to increase marketing. No direct mention of Stewart, just vague hopes of more North American routes if Providence proves a success. Nice, Berlin and Bratislava are singled out as routes they are targeting. Scandinavia also gets a mention. Brussels is ruled out as are incredibly fanciful routes to the Far East and Australia, pre clearance is ruled out too. He predicts further overall growth in 2018.

Reading between the lines (and completely guessing here) I'd say Norwegian is struggling with winter bookings and Stewart is completely off the table for now. McCarthy must have been absolutely gutted not to be included in the Air Canada routes, he had previously singled out Toronto and again puts emphasis North America rather than the USA. He seems to think Amsterdam will remain as a connection route for the foreseeable future.

kub

Scandinavia should be easy enough to organise with Norwegian considering they have a plane laying over in Cork for around 8 hours during the day.
I reckon a single rotation to Scandinavia could be done in that time and it might suit Norwegian as well, should they need to swop planes on the Providence route

RebelCork17

kub wrote: »

Scandinavia should be easy enough to organise with Norwegian considering they have a plane laying over in Cork for around 8 hours during the day.
I reckon a single rotation to Scandinavia could be done in that time and it might suit Norwegian as well, should they need to swop planes on the Providence route

Unlikely to happen. That aircraft is "secure cleaned" and brought back to stand 2 hours before departure. Engineers spend quite a bit of time with it also while its on the ground. At a guess a Scandinavian route would be operated by an aircraft based in Scandinavia and only come in to Cork on a quick turnaround.

JCX BXC

Also, the Scandinavian market is very hard to break into, it would need an exceptional amount of work to make it viable. The recent Shannon-Stockholm route did spectacularly poor.

Masala

JCX BXC wrote: »

Also, the Scandinavian market is very hard to break into, it would need an exceptional amount of work to make it viable. The recent Shannon-Stockholm route did spectacularly poor.

Would be a hard destination to sell to the Irish market... hear tales of up to €15 for a pint!!

tototoe

Masala wrote: »

Would be a hard destination to sell to the Irish market... hear tales of up to €15 for a pint!!

I did it from Shannon, flight was about 70% full but no idea how it performed overall. Wouldn't be in a rush back to Stockholm to be honest. Just another city, expensive and boring enough. Even the shops were more or less the same as here and food not up to much. Enjoyed the trip but not really on the list for a return visit. Way better cities to go to imo

TheDriver

Surprised to hear about bratislava flight, especially as Prague never took off. I assume its Ryanair, he should be trying to tempt popular Poland routes back to cork