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Schorpio wrote: »

Very foggy up there this afternoon. I happened to be on the Stobart flight from Bristol (same plane which came directly from Leeds after the Manchester flight was cancelled), and couldn't see the ground until seconds before touchdown.

Surprised we were given clearance at all.

If the RVR's were above minima (300m for CAT II ILS) then there shouldn't be a problem!

snotboogie

Foreign Airport    2016M08    2017M08 Diff Per
London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 39,544 42,538 2,994 7.57%
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 32,407 33,054 647 2.00%
Faro (FAO),Portugal 17,673 18,345 672 3.80%
Malaga (AGP),Spain 16,757 17,261 504 3.01%
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 17,355 15,214 -2,141 -12.34%
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 9,585 11,208 1,623 16.93%
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 8,070 11,189 3,119 38.65%
Palma (PMI),Spain 10,568 10,375 -193 -1.83%
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 8,619 10,340 1,721 19.97%
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 8,250 8,989 739 8.96%
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 7,245 7,679 434 5.99%
Alicante (ALC),Spain 5,712 6,526 814 14.25%
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 7,343 6,028 -1,315 -17.91%
Reus (REU),Spain 5,482 5,648 166 3.03%
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 4,822 5,086 264 5.47%
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 3,560 4,510 950 26.69%
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 3,780 3,873 93 2.46%
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA 3 3,838 3,835
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 3,250 3,347 97 2.98%
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 2,480 3,266 786 31.69%
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 2,893 3,227 334 11.55%
Bergamo - Orio Al Seri (BGY),Italy 3,157 3,212 55 1.74%
Bordeaux - Merignac (BOD),France 2,891 3,131 240 8.30%
Carcassonne (CCF),France 2,945 3,084 139 4.72%
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 3,052 3,078 26 0.85%
Gerona (GRO),Spain 2,850 3,018 168 5.89%
Madrid (MAD),Spain 2,422 2,695 273 11.27%
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 2,261 2,563 302 13.36%
Munich - Franz Josef Strauss (MUC),Germany 2,647 2,485 -162 -6.12%
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 2,582 2,478 -104 -4.03%
Reykjavik - Keflavik (KEF),Iceland 7 2,048 2,041
Zurich (ZRH),Switzerland 0 1,812 1,812
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 1,517 1,768 251 16.55%
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 1,375 1,359 -16 -1.16%
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 2,114 1,294 -820 -38.79%
Rennes (RNS),France 965 1,050 85 8.81%
Verona - Boscomantico (QBS),Italy 0 936 936
St. Mawgan (NQY),Great Britain 0 870 870
Lourdes - Tarbes (LDE),France 272 329 57 20.96%
Dubrovnik (DBV),Croatia 101 217 116 114.85%
Split (SPU),Croatia 137 88 -49 -35.77%
Leeds Bradford (LBA),Great Britain 1,296 14 -1,282 -98.92%
Jersey (JER),Great Britain 838 10 -828 -98.81%

snotboogie

Foreign Airport    2016M09    2017M09 Diff Per
London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 33,573 32,638 -935 -2.78%
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 29,004 29,992 988 3.41%
Faro (FAO),Portugal 16,295 17,644 1,349 8.28%
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 15,383 14,885 -498 -3.24%
Malaga (AGP),Spain 13,517 14,744 1,227 9.08%
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 10,484 10,492 8 0.08%
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 8,315 9,163 848 10.20%
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 7,783 9,068 1,285 16.51%
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 5,778 6,777 999 17.29%
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 6,221 6,386 165 2.65%
Palma (PMI),Spain 6,428 6,194 -234 -3.64%
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 6,143 5,222 -921 -14.99%
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 4,152 4,235 83 2.00%
Alicante (ALC),Spain 2,462 4,212 1,750 71.08%
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 3,188 4,092 904 28.36%
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 3,331 3,498 167 5.01%
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 2,927 3,306 379 12.95%
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 3,209 2,792 -417 -12.99%
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA 0 2,438 2,438
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 1,715 2,323 608 35.45%
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 1,746 2,214 468 26.80%
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 2,087 2,119 32 1.53%
Munich - Franz Josef Strauss (MUC),Germany 2,573 2,016 -557 -21.65%
Zurich (ZRH),Switzerland 0 1,983 1,983
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 1,857 1,854 -3 -0.16%
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 1,815 1,684 -131 -7.22%
Reykjavik - Keflavik (KEF),Iceland 0 1,586 1,586
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 793 1,064 271 34.17%
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 1,746 1,051 -695 -39.81%
Verona - Boscomantico (QBS),Italy 0 817 817
Madrid (MAD),Spain 1,061 803 -258 -24.32%
Lourdes - Tarbes (LDE),France 788 766 -22 -2.79%
Reus (REU),Spain 724 750 26 3.59%
St. Mawgan (NQY),Great Britain 0 529 529

snotboogie

Norwegian so far:



Airport[/td]
2017M07[/td]
2017M08[/td]
2017M09[/td]
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Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA[/td]
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[/td]
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[/tr]
Dublin (DUB),Republic Of Ireland[/td]
5,878[/td]
6,532[/td]
5,614[/td]
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Cork (ORK),Republic Of Ireland[/td]
3,394[/td]
3,838[/td]
2,438[/td]
[/tr]
Shannon (SNN),Republic Of Ireland[/td]
2,327[/td]
2,266[/td]
1,840[/td]
[/tr]
Newburgh Stuart (SWF),USA[/td]
[/td]
[/td]
[/td]
[/tr]
Dublin (DUB),Republic Of Ireland[/td]
9,164[/td]
9,514[/td]
9,324[/td]
[/tr]
Cork (ORK),Republic Of Ireland[/td]
0[/td]
[/td]
[/td]
[/tr]
Shannon (SNN),Republic Of Ireland[/td]
2,699[/td]
2,651[/td]
2,219[/td]
[/tr]

snotboogie

Apologies for all the posts table not working:
Airport 2017M07 2017M08 2017M09
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA
Dublin (DUB),Republic Of Ireland 5,878 6,532 5,614
Cork (ORK),Republic Of Ireland 3,394 3,838 2,438
Shannon (SNN),Republic Of Ireland 2,327 2,266 1,840
Newburgh Stuart (SWF),USA
Dublin (DUB),Republic Of Ireland 9,164 9,514 9,324
Cork (ORK),Republic Of Ireland 0
Shannon (SNN),Republic Of Ireland 2,699 2,651 2,219

marno21

Corks summer figures look very healthy to Providence especially August.

Expected drop in September, when was frequency reduced?

JCX BXC

marno21 wrote: »

Corks summer figures look very healthy to Providence especially August.

Expected drop in September, when was frequency reduced?

Frequency only reduced in November. Note less severe drops in Dublin and Shannon also.

snotboogie

JCX BXC wrote: »

Frequency only reduced in November. Note less severe drops in Dublin and Shannon also.

Overall Cork still recording more Pax per flight than Shannon, despite load restrictions and not too far behind Dublin. Oct, Nov and Dec numbers will be a good indication of the future of the route.

JCX BXC

snotboogie wrote: »

Overall Cork still recording more Pax per flight than Shannon, despite load restrictions and not too far behind Dublin. Oct, Nov and Dec numbers will be a good indication of the future of the route.

Well Cork does have 3 flights compared to Shannon's 2 flights per week, although that's nothing to do with my original point.

Also, not far behind Dublin? Yet has less than half the numbers in September.

Does the 737 MAX have load restrictions from Cork? If not, then there'd be a good chunk of September without load restrictions.

snotboogie

JCX BXC wrote: »

Well Cork does have 3 flights compared to Shannon's 2 flights per week, although that's nothing to do with my original point.

Also, not far behind Dublin? Yet has less than half the numbers in September.

Does the 737 MAX have load restrictions from Cork? If not, then there'd be a good chunk of September without load restrictions.

Per flight there isn't a huge load difference. Dublin is 5 times per week compared to 3 in Cork

Cork-PVD outperformed Shannon-Stewart with the same number of flights, an unbelievable stat considering Stewart has been a far more attractive airport than Providence for consumers in Dublin, Belfast and Shannon.

JCX BXC

snotboogie wrote: »

Per flight there isn't a huge load difference. Dublin is 5 times per week compared to 3 in Cork

Cork-PVD outperformed Shannon-Stewart with the same number of flights, an unbelievable stat considering Stewart has been a far more attractive airport than Providence for consumers in Dublin, Belfast and Shannon.

I'm afraid Shannon-Stewart is also 2pw, however will be going to 3pw next year.

snotboogie

JCX BXC wrote: »

I'm afraid Shannon-Stewart is also 2pw, however will be going to 3pw next year.

Guess it's not so unbelievable then!

JCX BXC

snotboogie wrote: »

Guess it's not so unbelievable then!

If anything, Shannon-Stewart is performing very well.

Very hard to guage anyway, plus a few months more of data wouldn't do any harm.

marno21

I would imagine ORK-PVD would have stricter weight restrictions going beyond summer due to stronger winds over the Atlantic. No idea how this works out number wise tho.

JCX BXC

marno21 wrote: »

I would imagine ORK-PVD would have stricter weight restrictions going beyond summer due to stronger winds over the Atlantic. No idea how this works out number wise tho.

I was under the impression that the weight restrictions were exclusive to the 737-800. Anyone have more info on this?

marno21

Munich not bookable beyond the end of March on Aer Lingus website.

Has it been confirmed as axed anywhere?

Given its once a week its not much of a loss but surely you'd think at least one of the German cities would be viable ex Cork especially given that Paris and Amsterdam both have decent frequency flights and LHR manages 4/5 daily.

marno21

JCX BXC wrote: »

I was under the impression that the weight restrictions were exclusive to the 737-800. Anyone have more info on this?

They are still using the 737-800 now and then out of Cork. That was mainly on the September side of things and shouldn't happen any more given the further 38M deliveries.

As an aside, for most of the winter up to Xmas besides the period around Thanksgiving the loads were likely low enough that it wouldn't matter. I'd be interested as to how loadings are at the minute between Xmas itself and people taking breaks whilst off. D81821 seemed fairly popular with 18-25 year olds and a lot of them are off college at the minute so could be good for loads.

yogmeister

I think Frankfurt would be a sustainable destination from Cork if Lufthansa operated the flight or at least had a code share with Aer lingus . The destination list from Frankfurt is endless and all the major cities in western Germany are easily reachable by train . The Munich flight will be no loss .

lisasimpson

Agree with frankfurt. As a hub surprised its not served.
Wondering when the new routes for 2018 will be announced.one thing that bugs me about cork as now is the time a lot of people start planning holiday but often new routes arent announced till spring time

JCX BXC

Munich is gone yes.

I don't think FRA will come about, especially since SNN have a summer service and Kerry has a very successful year round service to Hahn.

marno21

JCX BXC wrote: »

Munich is gone yes.

I don't think FRA will come about, especially since SNN have a summer service and Kerry has a very successful year round service to Hahn.

Frankfurt is 1 per week with LH? The Hahn service to Kerry is mainly inbound tourism and lesser so Kerry people heading there.

I'm saying that Frankfurt would be useful for business and connections. The tourism side of it can be taken care of by Kerry and to a lesser extent, Shannon

JCX BXC

You need a meaningful frequency and timings to make it work, which you won't get

snotboogie

Where in the world? More than 30 new flight routes from Ireland in 2018
Looks like no new routes for Cork next year

Gamb!t

snotboogie wrote: »

Where in the world? More than 30 new flight routes from Ireland in 2018
Looks like no new routes for Cork next year

Hopefully the run extra flights to Bordeaux.

lisasimpson

Thats a pitty after a few years of new routes

Soccarboy11

https://twitter.com/AFnewsroom/status/951016561778806784

"The daily flight during this year’s summer season will not only link Cork to France, but also connect passengers from the south of Ireland to Air France’s extensive network of over 180 destinations worldwide via the international hub of Paris-Charles de Gaulle.

The new service will bring an additional 33,750 available seats, commencing May 26, 2018 and running through to October 27, 2018. "

JCX BXC

Wow, massive gain for Corks connectivity!

Can't see the EI service staying at same frequency though!

Soccarboy11

JCX BXC wrote: »

Wow, massive gain for Corks connectivity!

Can't see the EI service staying at same frequency though!

Definitely surprised that it a once daily flight, thought it would be a twice a week thing!

snotboogie

I spoke too soon! I'm surprised that Air France stepped in as opposed to KLM

JCX BXC

I suppose Aer Lingus don't have connectivity with AF, but do with KLM, perhaps it was seen as the better option for now?

I'd be very surprised if EI maintain daily frequency next summer. Regardless though some very good news, one of the best announcements in a few years, a daily flight is valuable.