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Curb Your Enthusiasm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Some nice new routes.........but I'd wish they'd add Prague. Would have thought there'd be decent demand?

Hopefully we'll see Ryanair add Prague soon.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

In the Aspire lounge as I type this.

Absolutely brilliant I must say! Lovely and peaceful, nice selection of local food and drinks too. Nice and spacious also.

Nice addition to the airport.

titan18

Guess I'm going to Dubrovnik then. Woohoo. Not sure what Dublin prices are but I'd pay nearly any premium to fly into Cork anyway, whatever about flying out.

thomil

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Hopefully we'll see Ryanair add Prague soon.

Meh. I'd have hoped for a more traditional airline for the Prague route, but I'd guess CSA are still "burned" after that little stunt they pulled off a few years ago.

As for the destinations. Well, the Nice route should shut up some people in the Facebook comment sections under every Cork airport article. Dubrovnik sounds nice as a destination, but I'm not sure if sacrificing DUS for that was a smart move by Aer Fungus, if that is indeed what happened.

revelman

thomil wrote: »

Meh. I'd have hoped for a more traditional airline for the Prague route, but I'd guess CSA are still "burned" after that little stunt they pulled off a few years ago.

As for the destinations. Well, the Nice route should shut up some people in the Facebook comment sections under every Cork airport article. Dubrovnik sounds nice as a destination, but I'm not sure if sacrificing DUS for that was a smart move by Aer Fungus, if that is indeed what happened.

I took the Dusseldorf route on a number of occasions and the flights seemed very empty. I assume that they have done their calculations.

flexcon

revelman wrote: »

I took the Dusseldorf route on a number of occasions and the flights seemed very empty. I assume that they have done their calculations.

I'm shocked that route didn't do better. The amount of Germans in Cork alone and that area of Germany is not served in any capacity from Cork.

Like you said though, if the passengers weren't there and the numbers were bad.

beer enigma

Inaugural cork/Lisbon flight this evening at 17:00, praying its well supported

Gamb!t

New routes now official on Cork airport
Departure arrival times are sweet also.

Dep Cork 11
Arr 14:25

Dep Nice 15:05
Arr Cork 16:45

Harika

flexcon wrote: »

I'm shocked that route didn't do better. The amount of Germans in Cork alone and that area of Germany is not served in any capacity from Cork.

Like you said though, if the passengers weren't there and the numbers were bad.

It only covered the Germans in this area. Approx 12000 Germans are in Ireland, when you break that down to Cork and from the area you get 500 people that might use that connection. Going home once a year with partner means 1000 people or roughly ten planes. There are better aviation experts here that may say if that is sustainable.
The North was better covered by Amsterdam and the south by Munich. As there were no point to point connections Düsseldorf was always uninteresting for Berlin. Especially now as klm offers connections from Cork via Amsterdam.
For me Düsseldorf would have been possible but there was only a two hour window to change planes with getting luggage and check in again. On the way back staying the night in a hotel.

irishguy1983

Flights to Munich coming up but Dec to March - timing seems a bit strange no?

thomil

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Flights to Munich coming up but Dec to March - timing seems a bit strange no?

Winter Ski flights by the looks of it. Munich is considered one of the "gateways" to the Alps. The A8 motorway takes you from Munich to any of the major ski resorts in the Alps in less than two hours. Unless the motorway is turned into a parking lot due to an accident, a sudden burst of snowfall that leaves non-snow-savvy motorists stranded in the middle of the roads, or similar issue, all of which happen pretty frequently on that road. The timing of the flights would see most people on the pistes by lunchtime or in the early afternoon, and the return flight is also easily manageable.

irishguy1983

thomil wrote: »

Winter Ski flights by the looks of it. Munich is considered one of the "gateways" to the Alps. The A8 motorway takes you from Munich to any of the major ski resorts in the Alps in less than two hours. Unless the motorway is turned into a parking lot due to an accident, a sudden burst of snowfall that leaves non-snow-savvy motorists stranded in the middle of the roads, or similar issue, all of which happen pretty frequently on that road. The timing of the flights would see most people on the pistes by lunchtime or in the early afternoon, and the return flight is also easily manageable.

Ahhhh...Makes sense now - was confused with the timings of it...Would be great if kept for the summer - great city to visit

Flesh Gorden

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/4m-passengers-expected-at-Cork-Airport-by-2050-275862be-12e5-4bc0-aafe-40e5c26fbc6e-ds

4m passengers expected at Cork Airport by 2050

CORK AIRPORT is set for major expansion in the coming decades, with passenger numbers predicted to rise to more than four million per annum by 2050.

It is expected to remain Ireland’s second busiest airport, with numbers rising from the 2.3 million passengers in 2017, to 4.1m.
This is an average of 1.8% growth per year. Total take-offs and landings in Cork are forecast to increase from 50,900 in 2016 to 71,600 by 2050.

Although, the above comes from the office of Shane Ross, so I'd take it with surface level optimism.



Just noticed too, the Wednesday return flight from Nice is at almost the exact same time as the flight to Dublin.

They'll be leaving from the same non-Schengen departure area too, so you might meet a few Cork people who will have to catch the 00:30 Aircoach back home.


Hoping the prices come down a bit to the usual €100 return with most of the Aer Lingus continental flights from Cork. They're still up around €170 return at the min.

Gorgeous part of the world, tricky to get to if you're not flying in, so it's a welcome return to have this flight available again.
I can see myself heading over for a week during the Grand Prix in May.

Gamb!t

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/4m-passengers-expected-at-Cork-Airport-by-2050-275862be-12e5-4bc0-aafe-40e5c26fbc6e-ds




Although, the above comes from the office of Shane Ross, so I'd take it with surface level optimism.



Just noticed too, the Wednesday return flight from Nice is at almost the exact same time as the flight to Dublin.

They'll be leaving from the same non-Schengen departure area too, so you might meet a few Cork people who will have to catch the 00:30 Aircoach back home.


Hoping the prices come down a bit to the usual €100 return with most of the Aer Lingus continental flights from Cork. They're still up around €170 return at the min.

Gorgeous part of the world, tricky to get to if you're not flying in, so it's a welcome return to have this flight available again.
I can see myself heading over for a week during the Grand Prix in May.

I doubt you will get return tickets from Cork to Nice for 100 euro during the summer.

thomil

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Ahhhh...Makes sense now - was confused with the timings of it...Would be great if kept for the summer - great city to visit

I doubt it, to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for the Munich flight to become year round, not least because there's quite a bit of traffic between my employer's offices in the Cork area and our Munich operation. However, between Nice, Dubrovnik, and the mutation of the Munich flight into a ski bomber, I get the impression that Aer Lingus are turning Cork more and more into a pure leisure operation. Never mind Dell-EMC, VMware, Apple, Intel and a whole host of other IT companies that have large operations both here and in the Munich area.

marno21

thomil wrote: »

I doubt it, to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for the Munich flight to become year round, not least because there's quite a bit of traffic between my employer's offices in the Cork area and our Munich operation. However, between Nice, Dubrovnik, and the mutation of the Munich flight into a ski bomber, I get the impression that Aer Lingus are turning Cork more and more into a pure leisure operation. Never mind Dell-EMC, VMware, Apple, Intel and a whole host of other IT companies that have large operations both here and in the Munich area.

Munich at the weekly frequency it's been at is next to useless for business operations. They will either fly via Dublin or connect through LHR/CDG/AMS

snotboogie

Foreign Airport 2017M07 201807 Diff Per
London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 42368 40951 -1417 -3.34%
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 31936 30624 -1312 -4.11%
Faro (FAO),Portugal 20466 20461 -5 -0.02%
Malaga (AGP),Spain 18945 19303 358 1.89%
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 14733 13922 -811 -5.50%
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 9653 13572 3919 40.60%
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 11536 11826 290 2.51%
Palma (PMI),Spain 10865 11183 318 2.93%
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 11024 10469 -555 -5.03%
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 9640 9773 133 1.38%
Alicante (ALC),Spain 7371 8547 1176 15.95%
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 7036 7229 193 2.74%
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 6580 6641 61 0.93%
Reus (REU),Spain 5626 6321 695 12.35%
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 6261 5882 -379 -6.05%
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 4679 4679 0 0.00%
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 3888 3705 -183 -4.71%
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 3354 3356 2 0.06%
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA 3394 3290 -104 -3.06%
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 3176 3204 28 0.88%
Zurich (ZRH),Switzerland 2065 3198 1133 54.87%
Bergamo - Orio Al Seri (BGY),Italy 3161 3189 28 0.89%
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 3283 3135 -148 -4.51%
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 2938 3115 177 6.02%
Bordeaux - Merignac (BOD),France 3057 3091 34 1.11%
Carcassonne (CCF),France 3069 2951 -118 -3.84%
Madrid (MAD),Spain 2833 2912 79 2.79%
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 1420 2665 1245 87.68%
Gerona (GRO),Spain 3129 2659 -470 -15.02%
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 2588 2587 -1 -0.04%
Verona - Boscomantico (QBS),Italy 1138 2232 1094 96.13%
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 2385 2217 -168 -7.04%
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 1681 1488 -193 -11.48%
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 1149 1188 39 3.39%
Rennes (RNS),France 1138 978 -160 -14.06%
St. Mawgan (NQY),Great Britain 883 755 -128 -14.50%
Total 268448 273298 4850 1.81%

snotboogie

Foreign Airport     2017M08    2018M08  ↑ Diff Per
London - Heathrow (LHR),Great Britain 42538 41359 -1179 -2.77%
London - Stansted (STN),Great Britain 33054 33110 56 0.17%
Malaga (AGP),Spain 17261 18302 1041 6.03%
Faro (FAO),Portugal 18345 17722 -623 -3.40%
Amsterdam (AMS),Netherlands 15214 13506 -1708 -11.23%
Paris - Charles De Gaulle (CDG),France 8989 13260 4271 47.51%
Lanzarote (ACE),Spain 11189 11347 158 1.41%
London - Gatwick (LGW),Great Britain 11208 11236 28 0.25%
Manchester (MAN),Great Britain 10340 9931 -409 -3.96%
Palma (PMI),Spain 10375 9458 -917 -8.84%
Birmingham - Uk (BHX),Great Britain 7679 7588 -91 -1.19%
Liverpool (LPL),Great Britain 6028 5907 -121 -2.01%
Barcelona (BCN),Spain 5086 5881 795 15.63%
Reus (REU),Spain 5648 5556 -92 -1.63%
Alicante (ALC),Spain 6526 5295 -1231 -18.86%
Edinburgh (EDI),Great Britain 4510 4547 37 0.82%
Bristol (BRS),Great Britain 3873 3789 -84 -2.17%
Providence - TF Green (PVD),USA 3838 3653 -185 -4.82%
Gdansk (GDN),Poland 3227 3249 22 0.68%
Zurich (ZRH),Switzerland 1812 3201 1389 76.66%
Bergamo - Orio Al Seri (BGY),Italy 3212 3152 -60 -1.87%
Las Palmas (LPA),Spain 1359 3120 1761 129.58%
Southampton (SOU),Great Britain 3266 3070 -196 -6.00%
Carcassonne (CCF),France 3084 3070 -14 -0.45%
Gerona (GRO),Spain 3018 3068 50 1.66%
Bordeaux - Merignac (BOD),France 3131 3036 -95 -3.03%
Wroclaw (WRO),Poland 3347 2966 -381 -11.38%
Tenerife Sur - Reina Sofia (TFS),Spain 3078 2826 -252 -8.19%
Madrid (MAD),Spain 2695 2697 2 0.07%
Verona - Boscomantico (QBS),Italy 936 2502 1566 167.31%
Glasgow (GLA),Great Britain 2478 2491 13 0.52%
Dusseldorf (DUS),Germany 2563 2317 -246 -9.60%
Cardiff (CWL),Great Britain 1768 1515 -253 -14.31%
Newcastle (NCL),Great Britain 1294 1318 24 1.85%
Rennes (RNS),France 1050 1059 9 0.86%
St. Mawgan (NQY),Great Britain 870 858 -12 -1.38%
Lourdes - Tarbes (LDE),France 329 262 -67 -20.36%
Trondheim - Vaernes (TRD),Norway 0 252 252
Split (SPU),Croatia 88 146 58 65.91%
Exeter (EXT),Great Britain 1 111 110 11000.00%
Total 264,307 267,733 3,426 1.30%

snotboogie

The CSO have bizarrely overtaken Annaaero and have August up now. The CSO also shows slightly more favorable overall growth than the Annaaero figures for July 2% in the CSO vs no change in Anna. 
Heathrow is taking a sustained hit from the new CDG route, which is doing extremely well and will probably see CDG overtake Schiphol when the increased capacity comes in. If AF continue to take pax from IAG I could see them bringing in a morning flight, ideally to Schiphol but more likely to CDG.

snotboogie

The final part of my Cork airport information dump is this article from the Cork Chamber of Commerce: Cork Chamber say government 'significantly' underestimating airport potential I hope that Shane Ross is factoring in something else because Cork Airport are predicting 2.75 million pax by 2021 yet the govt only have 4 million pax by 2050...

snotboogie

Everybody on the flight back from Amsterdam last night was lined up against the wall while a dog sniffed their bags. While El Chapo turned out not to be on the flight it's good to know that AGS are out their protecting us, just think, somebody could have had a gram of cannabis on them and could have gone home from the airport and gotten stoned that night. With such dire consequences at stake, it's vital that the guards use up their resources and delay everybody on a full flight back.

.red.

snotboogie wrote: »

Everybody on the flight back from Amsterdam last night was lined up against the wall while a dog sniffed their bags. While El Chapo turned out not to be on the flight it's good to know that AGS are out their protecting us, just think, somebody could have had a gram of cannabis on them and could have gone home from the airport and gotten stoned that night. With such dire consequences at stake, it's vital that the guards use up their resources and delay everybody on a full flight back.

AGS don't have any dogs in the airport. The only job they have is at immigration checking passports, unless called upon for another reason.
Customs have the dog/dogs and are usually up there 7 days a week.
The AMS flight is more to do with connecting passengers and people carrying large amounts of money and drugs I think, not so much a lad who smokes a joint in a coffee shop but if you have anything on you, the dog will give an indication. They sporadically check passengers on all flights tho, could be any flight really.
They also have the dogs on the belts, not every flight but a good few of them.

The department of Agriculture, Food and Marine are up there too on a regular basis.

I'd rather customs were there than not there, nothing found on your flight but they have found large sums of money, cigarettes and drugs before.

snotboogie

.red. wrote: »

AGS don't have any dogs in the airport. The only job they have is at immigration checking passports, unless called upon for another reason.
Customs have the dog/dogs and are usually up there 7 days a week.
The AMS flight is more to do with connecting passengers and people carrying large amounts of money and drugs I think, not so much a lad who smokes a joint in a coffee shop but if you have anything on you, the dog will give an indication. They sporadically check passengers on all flights tho, could be any flight really.
They also have the dogs on the belts, not every flight but a good few of them.

The department of Agriculture, Food and Marine are up there too on a regular basis.

I'd rather customs were there than not there, nothing found on your flight but they have found large sums of money, cigarettes and drugs before.

That’s my third time seeing a dog on the Amsterdam flight, I’ve never seen one on any other. I would also seriously doubt that the carry on section of the Cork Amsterdam flight is any sort of cog of any significance in the local drug trade. If you look at this video the aim of customs (sorry) in Cork seems to be catching lads with personal amounts coming back directly from Amsterdam

https://youtu.be/JQOq_tCouX8

snotboogie

double post

.red.

snotboogie wrote: »

That’s my third time seeing a dog on the Amsterdam flight, I’ve never seen one on any other. I would also seriously doubt that the carry on section of the Cork Amsterdam flight is any sort of cog of any significance in the local drug trade. If you look at this video the aim of customs (sorry) in Cork seems to be catching lads with personal amounts coming back directly from Amsterdam

https://youtu.be/JQOq_tCouX8

It's illegal to carry personal amounts into cork airport and that video shows the dog acting as a deterrent so he's doing his job.
I've had the dog sniff me on a MAN and an LPL flight. Weed cafes are poppiy up all over the canaries now and they also check those flights regularly.
The dogs are on the belts mostly, sometimes they'll have 1/2 on the belt and another doing the passengers.
Just cos you don't see them, doesn't mean their not there.

snotboogie

.red. wrote: »

It's illegal to carry personal amounts into cork airport and that video shows the dog acting as a deterrent so he's doing his job.
I've had the dog sniff me on a MAN and an LPL flight. Weed cafes are poppiy up all over the canaries now and they also check those flights regularly.
The dogs are on the belts mostly, sometimes they'll have 1/2 on the belt and another doing the passengers.
Just cos you don't see them, doesn't mean their not there.

Obviously it’s illegal but with limited resources you’d think customs would have priorities higher than what somebody has on their person coming back from a weed cafe in Spain or the Netherlands. The fact that customs are concerned with deterring personal quantities of cannabis and viewing seizures of less than a gram a “successful operation” is concerning. I guess we are going off topic and not going to agree but I will continue to see dogs sniffing passengers carry on from the AMS flight as a phenomenal waste of time that has almost zero scope to have any impact other than making a criminal out of some fool who was doing no harm to anyone but himself.

.red.

snotboogie wrote: »

Obviously it’s illegal but with limited resources you’d think customs would have priorities higher than what somebody has on their person coming back from a weed cafe in Spain or the Netherlands. The fact that customs are concerned with deterring personal quantities of cannabis and viewing seizures of less than a gram a “successful operation” is concerning. I guess we are going off topic and not going to agree but I will continue to see dogs sniffing passengers carry on from the AMS flight as a phenomenal waste of time that has almost zero scope to have any impact other than making a criminal out of some fool who was doing no harm to anyone but himself.

It's not just drugs their looking for, money, cigarettes, drink etc.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/revenue-search-dog-uncovers-60000-12573495

They have to be there as a deterrent, if they just gave up it could turn into a gateway for Hamsterdam mk II lol.

JCX BXC

snotboogie wrote: »

Obviously it’s illegal but with limited resources you’d think customs would have priorities higher than what somebody has on their person coming back from a weed cafe in Spain or the Netherlands. The fact that customs are concerned with deterring personal quantities of cannabis and viewing seizures of less than a gram a “successful operation” is concerning. I guess we are going off topic and not going to agree but I will continue to see dogs sniffing passengers carry on from the AMS flight as a phenomenal waste of time that has almost zero scope to have any impact other than making a criminal out of some fool who was doing no harm to anyone but himself.

Legalisation of weed beside, Amsterdam has always been a flight with a higher risk to my understanding. It's not the lad who brings a gram back to have a few joints (god forbid they buy something of a reasonable standard in another country), it's the couple who hide a Kilo and 300 cartons of fags in their luggage. The illegally earned €100,000 in €50 notes some dodgy looking man has.

JCX BXC

snotboogie wrote: »

Obviously it’s illegal but with limited resources you’d think customs would have priorities higher than what somebody has on their person coming back from a weed cafe in Spain or the Netherlands. The fact that customs are concerned with deterring personal quantities of cannabis and viewing seizures of less than a gram a “successful operation” is concerning. I guess we are going off topic and not going to agree but I will continue to see dogs sniffing passengers carry on from the AMS flight as a phenomenal waste of time that has almost zero scope to have any impact other than making a criminal out of some fool who was doing no harm to anyone but himself.

Legalisation of weed beside, Amsterdam has always been a flight with a higher risk to my understanding. It's not the lad who brings a gram back to have a few joints (god forbid they buy something of a reasonable standard in another country), it's the couple who hide a Kilo and 300 cartons of fags in their luggage. The illegally earned €100,000 in €50 notes some dodgy looking man has.

revelman

Cork to Verona now bookable for 2019 on Volotea website. End of May to 31st August.