Cork Airport - *Read Mod Note in First Post Before Posting*

Shn99

Not sure of the reliability of the source however it’s rumored Cork FR base could close in Jan 2020 along with Belfast and Faro
https://twitter.com/luxurytravelled/status/1159078109569851392?s=21

JCX BXC

Would be a very strange move imo.

titan18

Would that mean no flights out of Cork for Ryanair then? That would be odd.

I'm always amazed they never just called it Dublin South and pulled out of Dublin and made it their main hub considering what they do in other countries (Oslo, Paris, Milan airports for example)

TheDriver

Shn99 wrote: »

Not sure of the reliability of the source however it’s rumored Cork FR base could close in Jan 2020 along with Belfast and Faro
https://twitter.com/luxurytravelled/status/1159078109569851392?s=21

I'd call total bull on it. Faro is a hugely popular destination with probably very high loads for summer season.
Cork likewise, very popular routes.

JCX BXC

titan18 wrote: »

Would that mean no flights out of Cork for Ryanair then? That would be odd.

No, they'd simply be no overnighting aircraft in cork.

Shn99

Union in Portugal has confirmed FAO to close with 120 jobs gone

Padraig Mor

JCX BXC wrote: »

No, they'd simply be no overnighting aircraft in cork.

Would surely mean major changes to timetables though, including for flights already sold - e.g. the 06.20 to, and ~22.00 from, Stansted?

grogi

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Would surely mean major changes to timetables though, including for flights already sold - e.g. the 06.20 to, and ~22.00 from, Stansted?

Did they sell them for summer 2020?

Padraig Mor

grogi wrote: »

Did they sell them for summer 2020?

They're for sale for a good while - London routes anyway (which are mainly served by Cork based planes AFAIK), not sun routes.

TheDriver

Dub - Faro has been on sale, still is on their website.a

Apparently they are closing their Tenerife and Gran Canaria bases. All leaked from the unions. All sounds of scaremongering to me, they are all prime bases all year round.

.red.

If the Ryanair base does go from cork the airport won't loose many flights, maybe a handful at most.
Instead of doing ORK-STN-ORK--LGW-ORK
it'll just be a STN aircraft doing something like STN-ORK-LGW-ORK-STN
Pretty much all the sun and polish destinations will be run by flights from there.
Porto is a base and about a 30min flight from Faro. One of the flights to cork does FAO-ORK-FAO-OPO-FAO
if Faro closes if imagine the cork flight would be a Porto aircraft doing OPO-FAO-ORK-FAO-OPO

highlydebased

The flying programme would be greatly reduced for sure - they wouldn't be able to achieve this year's level of activity with no based aircraft

Shn99

Spanish unions have announced GRO, TFS and LPA will close from January

LXFlyer

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Would surely mean major changes to timetables though, including for flights already sold - e.g. the 06.20 to, and ~22.00 from, Stansted?

Plenty of time for schedule changes yet.

Seasonal schedules are never written in stone until about three months prior to the commencement of the winter and summer schedules on the last weekend of October and March respectively.

Prior to that airlines just tend to rollover the previous year’s schedule for booking purposes, but they are ALWAYS subject to potentially significant changes.

kub

Shn99 wrote: »

Spanish unions have announced GRO, TFS and LPA will close from January

I wonder are Ryanair playing hard ball with the Unions out there, I have no doubt having said that though, that there will be lots of bases around Europe shut.

TheQuietBeatle

I'll be raging if Cork and Faro goes. Double whammy. We holiday there twice a year.

Hopefully this is all BS.

kub

TheQuietBeatle wrote: »

I'll be raging if Cork and Faro goes. Double whammy. We holiday there twice a year.

Hopefully this is all BS.

Just because a base is going, it does not mean flight cancellations.
It simply means that plane crew are not based there anymore meaning the first flight out in the morning and the last in at night, will not be going to that same airport.

lisasimpson

That is something a lot of people don't get. A base is different to a route and already people on Twitter saying Ryanair is leaving cork airport. FFS.

PS anyone any update on how the summer routes and new one have been going. Or is it too soon

marno21

Norwegian ending all transatlantic operations from Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0813/1068612-norwegian-air-to-discontinue-transatlantic-routes/

Disappointing but not unexpected.

Now hopefully the airport can secure east coast service with another airline now that the A321neo is becoming commonplace. Or even the 737 MAX whenever it returns. If the other similarly sized (although smaller) airport in the country can sustain service to JFK x2, PHL, EWR, YYZ and BOS during the summer, I don't see why the bigger city with the bigger airport cannot assuming the technical challenges can be overcome.

snotboogie

Very surprised to see all routes from Dublin cancelled too

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

Very surprised to see all routes from Dublin cancelled too

The cost of the hire in of the Evelop A330 this year to continue the operation must have left a large black hole in the books, along with the reduced bookings from the uncertainty and cancellations earlier in the year.

And that's an aside from the whole operation being questionable. Many similar operations trying the same thing have gone bust since DY started (Primera Air, WOW Air).

kub

marno21 wrote: »

Norwegian ending all transatlantic operations from Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0813/1068612-norwegian-air-to-discontinue-transatlantic-routes/

Disappointing but not unexpected.

Now hopefully the airport can secure east coast service with another airline now that the A321neo is becoming commonplace. Or even the 737 MAX whenever it returns. If the other similarly sized (although smaller) airport in the country can sustain service to JFK x2, PHL, EWR, YYZ and BOS during the summer, I don't see why the bigger city with the bigger airport cannot assuming the technical challenges can be overcome.

No surprise, budget airlines on t/a routes do not seem to work. The good thing about this is Cork Airport now has good numbers to show other operators that may be interested in operating a service to more of a hub type airport.

marno21

“We are disappointed that Norwegian is ceasing transatlantic operations from Ireland following much-publicised aircraft issues arising from the grounding of the Boeing Max aircraft,” said managing director Niall MacCarthy.

“Cork Airport is the fastest growing airport on the island of Ireland this year with eight new UK and continental European routes. We expect further growth next year on short-haul services to and from Cork.

"We will redouble our efforts to secure a new transatlantic carrier for Cork to operate from summer 2021 and we are in active discussions with a number of carriers in this regard,” he added.

Statement from Cork Airport

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/norwegian-ends-unsustainable-transatlantic-flights-from-ireland-943632.html

snotboogie

marno21 wrote: »

Statement from Cork Airport

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/norwegian-ends-unsustainable-transatlantic-flights-from-ireland-943632.html

They said the same thing when the New York flights were canned before even starting two years ago, lets hope they actually come through this time.

Any update on Ryanair?

Cosmo Kramer

Back to square one for transatlantic.

Masala

I can't get over this fascination with transatlantic.....and fighting with SNN who also have the same fascination.

Why don't they concentrate on cracking Germany and France. They bring as much to the region as the Yankee Dollar. Maybe it's time to accept it is just not going to work...flogging a dead horse is the term to use. Marketing a US service is a black hole. if this was a private company .. the owners wouldn't be wasting time chasing a lost cause

snotboogie

Masala wrote: »

I can't get over this fascination with transatlantic.....and fighting with SNN who also have the same fascination.

Why don't they concentrate on cracking Germany and France. They bring as much to the region as the Yankee Dollar. Maybe it's time to accept it is just not going to work...flogging a dead horse is the term to use. Marketing a US service is a black hole. if this was a private company .. the owners wouldn't be wasting time chasing a lost cause

How many people do German and French companies employ in Cork compared to American? France is relatively well served out of Cork anyway. Inbound the numbers coming from the US are way higher than from France and Germany combined. It's obvious why transatlantic is so coveted.

The route was also doing well and had been renewed before the 737 Max issue. Norwegian also cancelled out of Dublin who have a booming transatlantic market. I would hardly call any future efforts flogging a dead horse. I would view the Norwegian experiment as a successful one from Cork Airports perspective.

Masala

I remember the Slattery's Travel attempt that bombed out a few weeks before tge first flight because of lack of bookings. Did WOW also pull its operations?? Norweigen already announced it was pulling from Cork way before tge full Irish withdrawal

..... if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..

kub

Masala wrote: »

I remember the Slattery's Travel attempt that bombed out a few weeks before tge first flight because of lack of bookings. Did WOW also pull its operations?? Norweigen already announced it was pulling from Cork way before tge full Irish withdrawal

..... if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..

Facts:
Slatterys was a long long time ago.
Norwegian operated the 737 Max which is grounded since last March.
Obviously they have a fleet of them and also 737-800's, before they allocated the Max to the Cork route, they operated the 737-800's in the short term.
The whole route was designed around utilising the Max model.
As they were short of planes some routes had to be reviewed.
Norwegian have been in financial difficulties for the last few years.

Ducks fly as well but they cannot carry passengers unless you are a flea

Ps, it seems that Norwegian actually took the business from Wow because they ended their service ( which was using Reykjavik as a hub ) soon after Norwegian began direct flights
Wow are no longer in business.

snotboogie

Masala wrote: »

I remember the Slattery's Travel attempt that bombed out a few weeks before tge first flight because of lack of bookings. Did WOW also pull its operations?? Norweigen already announced it was pulling from Cork way before tge full Irish withdrawal

..... if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..

Wow are now defunct, their model was not sustainable out of anywhere. Also they flew to Iceland not to the US. Norwegian did not announce they were pulling from Cork before anywhere else, that's just completely made up.