Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2019/2020

Intifada

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Must have been loads of half brain Celtic fans at the game today when the booing starting for the banner

There are a lot of morons in our support, yes. It's why we've allowed our club to regress to its current level.

A Dub in Glasgo

Intifada wrote: »

There are a lot of morons in our support, yes. It's why we've allowed our club to regress to its current level.

One persons moron is another persons righteous and vice versa

Intifada

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

One persons moron is another persons righteous and vice versa

Yeah but one of those two has been complicit in the state our club has become while the other hasn't. So while that's a nice soundbyte it doesn't really mean much.

A Dub in Glasgo

Intifada wrote: »

Yeah but one of those two has been complicit in the state our club has become while the other hasn't. So while that's a nice soundbyte it doesn't really mean much.

and what would have done? serious suggestions now, not the pie in the sky stuff that is prevalent in some of our support

Intifada

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

and what would have done? serious suggestions now, not the pie in the sky stuff that is prevalent in some of our support

Hold the board to account, the same way previous boards were rightfully abused and hounded out by the support.

Even if it is not the solution it is certainly and objectively better than being complicit.

A Dub in Glasgo

Intifada wrote: »

Hold the board to account, the same way previous boards were rightfully abused and hounded out by the support.

Holding the board to account does not mean abusing and hounding the board!

weldoninhio

Intifada wrote: »

Hold the board to account, the same way previous boards were rightfully abused and hounded out by the support.

Even if it is not the solution it is certainly and objectively better than being complicit.

Hold them to account on what exactly??

RoryMac

Simple fact is the SPL is a backwater league and not many players capable of improving our first team would have any interest in playing in it even with the possibility of CL football.

Unless the board were willing to pay ridiculous wages its a big challenge to attract players to Celtic and they are quiet right not to go down that road.

They can certainly improve on the players we seem to be targeting but there's no quick fix that will move us from our current situation of a tough task to qualify for CL to regular appearances in the CL.

weldoninhio

RoryMac wrote: »

Simple fact is the SPL is a backwater league and not many players capable of improving our first team would have any interest in playing in it even with the possibility of CL football.

Unless the board were willing to pay ridiculous wages its a big challenge to attract players to Celtic and they are quiet right not to go down that road.

They can certainly improve on the players we seem to be targeting but there's no quick fix that will move us from our current situation of a tough task to qualify for CL to regular appearances in the CL.

100% agree. We lost to Malmo who's budget is a fraction of ours. It happens. It's the same as us beating Barcelona. Unfortunately we live in the Internet age, where one bad result is a crisis and one bad performance means you are the worst player in the world.

Dempsey

RoryMac wrote: »

Simple fact is the SPL is a backwater league and not many players capable of improving our first team would have any interest in playing in it even with the possibility of CL football.

Unless the board were willing to pay ridiculous wages its a big challenge to attract players to Celtic and they are quiet right not to go down that road.

They can certainly improve on the players we seem to be targeting but there's no quick fix that will move us from our current situation of a tough task to qualify for CL to regular appearances in the CL.

Thats the easy excuse tbh

The UCL is made up of more than the money leagues.

Call it a back water but the Celtic squad is capable of holding its own in the UCL, we've gone through this before!!

I dont agree that ridiculous wages is the solution at all. A better spend on players for the final 3rd of the pitch is needed and we've all seen the wastefulness so i think we all agree that Celtic can improve in that aspect.

I'm bewildered at the acceptance of this situation, tbh. Not necessarily on this forum. Yes, its a tough one for Celtic but its far far from an excuse for whats happened in the past 2 years. Its far more a fundamental problem than what money is being spent

TheCitizen

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Not yet, I get them off the huddleboard so may not be available until the highlights

On another note, the GB biting the hand that feeds?

Don't understand what you mean, the Green Brigade aren't on some payroll at Celtic.

That poster seems to echo the sentiment s of the manager. My only disagreement with them there is that the manager was also very much to blame. He needs to bin this Ronny Roars nonsense and get on top of his job or he'll be gone by Christmas. He has an opportunity to start getting the best out of his team when the pressure is on in that EL Group we are in. He will be scrutinised from here on and he needs start producing the goods in Europe immediately or we'll have a different manager for the CL qualifiers next summer.

TheCitizen

weldoninhio wrote: »

100% agree. We lost to Malmo who's budget is a fraction of ours. It happens. It's the same as us beating Barcelona. Unfortunately we live in the Internet age, where one bad result is a crisis and one bad performance means you are the worst player in the world.

We lost to a very average side in Malmo because we bottled it. Fenerbache and probably Ajax are better than Malmo. It was a poor show especially in that 2 nd half last Tuesday when we went out without even a fight. The board put this inexperienced manager in place and haven't resourced the team adequately, so they should get criticism as well.

As for going out to Malmo, yes as you say you win some and you lose some but the way we went out last Tuesday was totally unacceptable from the players and the manager. This manager is on borrowed time as a result.

eire4

Achtung! Bono wrote: »

That was one hell of a double save at the end from Gordon. If that was in the EPL, they'd be raving about it no end.

Maybe a dub in Glasgow has a gif of it?

That was an incredible double save right at the end. As good as you will ever see anywhere. Gordon is very much carrying on from the brilliant form he showed last season which is terrific to see.

weldoninhio

TheCitizen wrote: »

We lost to a very average side in Malmo because we bottled it. Fenerbache and probably Ajax are better than Malmo. It was a poor show especially in that 2 nd half last Tuesday when we went out without even a fight. The board put this inexperienced manager in place and haven't resourced the team adequately, so they should get criticism as well.

As for going out to Malmo, yes as you say you win some and you lose some but the way we went out last Tuesday was totally unacceptable from the players and the manager. This manager is on borrowed time as a result.

Our resources are probably double or triple that of Malmo. What else should the board do? Strive to be 5/6 times bigger than the teams we meet in qualifiers?? For the sake of 6 possible games the board should gamble the financial stability of the club??

PauloMN

RoryMac wrote: »

Simple fact is the SPL is a backwater league and not many players capable of improving our first team would have any interest in playing in it even with the possibility of CL football.

Unless the board were willing to pay ridiculous wages its a big challenge to attract players to Celtic and they are quiet right not to go down that road.

They can certainly improve on the players we seem to be targeting but there's no quick fix that will move us from our current situation of a tough task to qualify for CL to regular appearances in the CL.

Always the same old rhetoric from people when we fail to qualify - "get the wallet out Peter". Totally agree with what you say - getting players to come to Scotland is the challenge, not so much the finances. VVD for example was bored off his head this season and couldn't wait to get out of the place. Not many Larssons about these days!

TheCitizen

weldoninhio wrote: »

Our resources are probably double or triple that of Malmo. What else should the board do? Strive to be 5/6 times bigger than the teams we meet in qualifiers?? For the sake of 6 possible games the board should gamble the financial stability of the club??

That's not what i said at all. I think the board could've supported Deila a bit better maybe with a director of football for the first season or two. I think he came across a bit naive in the pressure tie v Malmo. I still think we were a better side than Malmo, crucially they just played better over the two legs, so something went wrong there.

Celtic are closing in on signing Joza Simunovic reportedly for more than 4 million. If those reports are accurate it would be the first time we've paid in excess of 4 million for a player since Scott Brown. We are selling players for more than we ever have, Van Dijk will be the 3rd player in the last couple of seasons to go for more than 10 million. So if we're selling players for more we should be able to spend a little more when required on the right player.

Intifada

weldoninhio wrote: »

100% agree. We lost to Malmo who's budget is a fraction of ours. It happens. It's the same as us beating Barcelona. Unfortunately we live in the Internet age, where one bad result is a crisis and one bad performance means you are the worst player in the world.

Honestly saddens me that we have apologists in our support who think that failing to qualify for the CL two years in a row is some sort of minor blip or "one bad result".

PauloMN wrote: »

Always the same old rhetoric from people when we fail to qualify - "get the wallet out Peter". Totally agree with what you say - getting players to come to Scotland is the challenge, not so much the finances.

Any player we bring in between now and deadline (including Blackett) we would have been able to bring in before Malmo. So why didn't we? In fact our bargaining position is even worse now that we can't even offer the chance of CL football.

Here's one groundbreaking way to get players to come to Scotland: pay them more money.

weldoninhio

Intifada wrote: »

Honestly saddens me that we have apologists in our support who think that failing to qualify for the CL two years in a row is some sort of minor blip or "one bad result".


Any player we bring in between now and deadline (including Blackett) we would have been able to bring in before Malmo. So why didn't we? In fact our bargaining position is even worse now that we can't even offer the chance of CL football.

Here's one groundbreaking way to get players to come to Scotland: pay them more money.

If only there was some other way we could see what happens when a club in Scotland pays stupid money to players.

Intifada

Ah yes, the stock excuse for every apologist in our support. At least we're not liquidated eh, happy days!

And we accuse them of having their head in the sand....

PauloMN

Intifada wrote: »

Here's one groundbreaking way to get players to come to Scotland: pay them more money.

Players won't come to Scotland for more money. It would still be miles off what could be on offer to them in the EPL anyway, so it would make little difference if any.

We had the players to qualify v Malmo to be honest. If you are looking to finger point, you should be looking largely at Deila rather than the board. We spend vastly more than Malmo anyway, so that clearly shows it's not all about how much money is spent on player wages.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, football clubs need to be run as a business, and you simply cannot keep throwing money at a problem like the CL qualifiers and hope for a result. It will backfire, you'll be in the same position, and you'll be closer to going they way of the original RFC.

Intifada

PauloMN wrote: »

Players won't come to Scotland for more money.

Why, what makes Scotland unique in the world of football in that way?

It would still be miles off what could be on offer to them in the EPL anyway, so it would make little difference if any.

Not every player under the sun is being chased by EPL teams though. And even if they were, we still have the finances to be competitive with some of them.

We had the players to qualify v Malmo to be honest. If you are looking to finger point, you should be looking largely at Deila rather than the board. We spend vastly more than Malmo anyway, so that clearly shows it's not all about how much money is spent on player wages.

Of course we should still have qualified. Doesn't mean we couldn't have improved our squad. Any player we bring in today that improves us, would have made qualifying easier.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, football clubs need to be run as a business, and you simply cannot keep throwing money at a problem like the CL qualifiers and hope for a result.

Keep throwing? We haven't started. A £10m outlay to reap the £20-30m profits is perfect 'business' sense. Look how many Championship clubs speculate in order to secure the EPL payday.

It will backfire, you'll be in the same position, and you'll be closer to going they way of the original RFC.

Sickening that our support has people like you. Happy as long as we're not Rangers, even if it means going backwards and repeated failure year after year. Rangers are nothing. Don't concern yourself with them, it's embarrassing.

RoryMac

I think both the board & Delia need to accept blame but not to the extent that there should be banners criticising them at games.

The board need to be more flexible in their recruiting rather than giving the manager a squad of projects to generate revenue.

On Delia's side he still had a squad that was well capable of beating Malmo but didn't perform near their best but that's nothing new for Celtic as Strachan & Lennon had similar issues. It took Lennon 3 attempts to reach the CL groups & for me he better players to work with or at least a better mix in the squad.

Intifada

Scraping through qualification against a team of clowns from Kazakhstan, getting embarrassed in the groups, followed by 2 "successive" years of failing (3 times) to qualify. Who is the constant here? No significant investment in this time.

But arra sure we're not liquidated so don't complain, don't protest and don't moan.

RoryMac

Intifada wrote: »

Scraping through qualification against a team of clowns from Kazakhstan, getting embarrassed in the groups, followed by 2 "successive" years of failing (3 times) to qualify. Who is the constant here? No significant investment in this time.

But arra sure we're not liquidated so don't complain, don't protest and don't moan.

True and yes as I have before the board can do better but IMO not to a great extent and certainly not to get us to a level where CL qualification is pretty straightforward.

We are limited by playing in the SPL & having the cash cow that is the English leagues on our doorstep. You only have to look at the ridiculous money being thrown around down there on poor players to see how big a task it is to get someone to join Celtic.

We don't have a competitive league, we can't compete on wages with the EPL or half of the Championship due to TV money.

Our best chance of getting players to join IMO is to show that like VVD, Forster & Wanyama we can be a stepping stone.

It's a sh!te situation but there's no easy answers that I can see

Intifada

If a manager has one season of failure his job is on the line. Our board have had numerous years of downsizing and failure. How is it not time for them to go?

RoryMac

Intifada wrote: »

If a manager has one season of failure his job is on the line. Our board have had numerous years of downsizing and failure. How is it not time for them to go?

It depends on your definition of failure, of course missing out on CL is a blow but less of a blow than if we had invested 10m in the hope of CL money as you suggested.

Intifada

RoryMac wrote: »

It depends on your definition of failure, of course missing out on CL is a blow but less of a blow than if we had invested 10m in the hope of CL money as you suggested.

Aye let's just be happy with cheap failure instead of expensive failure. At least we're not liquidated!

And my definition of failure is the same as everybody else's: not achieving your aims.

A Dub in Glasgo

RoryMac

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Hope he does well

Gone quiet on the Jozo front, hopefully no issues there. O'Connell gone out on load till Jan so need Jozo signed.

eire4

I see we have officially signed Christie from Inverness on a 4 year deal for 500,000 and then loaned him back to Inverness at least until January. Interesting move. The lad is only 20 and yet has already played 70 times for Inverness. The last few times we have played them he certainly has caused us real problems. It will be very hard for him to break into our first team but like Scott Allen considering the small out lay it seems like a smart calculated gamble.

RoryMac

Jozo deal done now according to the Croatian FA. Doesn't look like a striker will be coming in which leaves us a bit short up front.

Dempsey

I wish VVD the best of luck in the future. Why doesnt Celtic just buy Southampton and move lock stock to the EPL! :pac:

O'Connell getting out on loan is exactly what he needs but I do worry about his & Findlay's future at the club. I still think that gap between u19's and senior squad player is not being dealt with effectively but least players are realizing they need first team football to progress their career whether its long term at Celtic or not.

I think Ryan Christie is a good player and we've done a good deal in getting him now.

Looking forward to seeing Simunovic play. Southampton will be happy to see that we have signed them a central defender for the 2018 season

Intifada

How do we feel the squad is looking compared to the end of the season?

Denayer replaced by Boyata
VVD replaced by Simunovic
Guidetti replaced by Cifcti
Matthews replaced by Janko
Zaluska replaced by Bailly

Plus Blackett, Christie and Allan

The answer is we are miles worse. But we made £6m profit so at least we're not liquidated :rolleyes:

RoryMac

Intifada wrote: »

How do we feel the squad is looking compared to the end of the season?

Denayer replaced by Boyata
VVD replaced by Simunovic
Guidetti replaced by Cifcti
Matthews replaced by Janko
Zaluska replaced by Bailly

Plus Blackett, Christie and Allan

The answer is we are miles worse. But we made £6m profit so at least we're not liquidated :rolleyes:

We'll know the answer at the end of the season but Denayer wasn't ours to keep & both VVD & Guidetti had the option of staying but chose not to.

Not sure how we could have kept those 3

To not have signed a striker is a fcuk up, an injury to Griffiths leaves us in a bad place, not sure why we let Scepovic go out on loan with no one signed up to replace.

PauloMN

Intifada wrote: »

How do we feel the squad is looking compared to the end of the season?

Denayer replaced by Boyata
VVD replaced by Simunovic
Guidetti replaced by Cifcti
Matthews replaced by Janko
Zaluska replaced by Bailly

Plus Blackett, Christie and Allan

The answer is we are miles worse. But we made £6m profit so at least we're not liquidated :rolleyes:

How much of Simunovic and Bailly have you seen play then? Love the way you are writing off players before they've even played for us, just to somehow try and make your "£10m will guarantee us CL football" patter. Zaluska lol. ClutchingAtStraws CSC.

Denayer imo is the biggest loss of all, not quite sure why we couldn't get another year loan for him considering he's gone out on loan again, but he was a class act - even better than VVD imo. VVD - what could we have done there? Players develop and move on, we get new players in, get over it.

You are sickened that there's fans like me supporting the club, I'm sickened that there's fans who write off players in a jot like you just did.

Dempsey

Intifada wrote: »

How do we feel the squad is looking compared to the end of the season?

Denayer replaced by Boyata
VVD replaced by Simunovic
Guidetti replaced by Cifcti
Matthews replaced by Janko
Zaluska replaced by Bailly

Plus Blackett, Christie and Allan

The answer is we are miles worse. But we made £6m profit so at least we're not liquidated :rolleyes:

Miles worse? Miles? Maybe you should remember this time last season!!

Denayer wasnt ours, Boyata is

Have you ever seen Simunovic play?

Guidetti wasnt ours and he went rank rotten after a promising start when the talk of contracts and money took centre stage. It was clear he was playing for the biggest contract possible, not for Celtic. Ciftci looks like a dud much like Scepovic is.

Matthews was in and out of the team at best because he couldnt stay fit. Janko looks like a good replacement.

Zaluska replaced by Bailly, hardly a change that will break the squad.

The 3 other players you mentioned are highly rated along with Armstrong & Mackay Steven who were both got in January.

If you think Celtic are now miles behind this point last season fair enough but you wont find many that will agree with that idea.

weldoninhio

Intifada wrote: »

Ah yes, the stock excuse for every apologist in our support. At least we're not liquidated eh, happy days!

And we accuse them of having their head in the sand....

So what's your master plan to get players who don't want to play in Scotland, to play in Scotland???

Intifada

RoryMac wrote: »

Not sure how we could have kept those 3

We didn't have to keep them. We could have signed able or better replacements.

PauloMN wrote: »

How much of Simunovic and Bailly have you seen play then? Love the way you are writing off players before they've even played for us, just to somehow try and make your "£10m will guarantee us CL football" patter. Zaluska lol. ClutchingAtStraws CSC.

I included Zaluska in the interest of balance, because he was one of the players replaced. I wasn't saying he's better than Bailly. How stupid do you now feel saying I'm clutching at straws when you're the one thinking you've proven me wrong there?

You are sickened that there's fans like me supporting the club, I'm sickened that there's fans who write off players in a jot like you just did.

We've seen Boyata play and he is shíte. We've seen Ciftci play and he is shíte. We've seen Blackett, Christie and Allan play and none are even better than what passes for a "first team" atm. Janko is decent but Matthews was better. Simonovic, believe it or not, was a footballer before joining Celtic so I have actually seen him play and am aware of what level player he is. He is a decent prospect but prone to the odd Efe moment.

We "writing players off in a jot" (which I'm not anyway) is certainly less damaging than apologists like you being complicit in the downsizing and regression of our club. But at least we're not liquidated.

Intifada

weldoninhio wrote: »

So what's your master plan to get players who don't want to play in Scotland, to play in Scotland???

Pay them more. It's not a master plan really, in fact it's an extremely common approached used all over the world. Do you think anybody in the world actually wants to play for Stoke? West Brom? They go there for money. Sometimes these clubs will offer more than us but not always.

It means paying over the odds for players and still has to be done within reason, but it ensures a better quality of player which personally I prefer over the current approach of buying shít players. We could have saved the £8m or so we wasted on about 20 different clowns in the past few years and used it to lure a £5m striker.

We have profited £36m in transfers over the past 5 years and yet watched the club steadily decline, yet some of you think this is acceptable. Luckily in actual real life nobody agrees with you. That's why Parkhead is empty.

PauloMN

Pay them more, simples. No arguing with someone who sees life as black and white as that.

And yes, people do want to play for Stoke etc. because it means they are playing in the EPL, even if they never get a sniff of Europe. Unfortunately the lure of the EPL is too much to resist, and money is only a part of it. Playing Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Spurs etc. appeals to a lot of players more than Ross County, Hamilton, Kilmarnock etc. week in/week out, even if there's a possibility of a few European games with Celtic.

Paying over the odds? We have to be more careful with out finances than most other "big clubs" because of the sh1t league we are in, we can't just splash cash around as you suggest. Doing what we do i.e. looking for emerging talents and selling them on for £££ is how we stay in business. Of course, we all want better players, and more of them, and to never have holes in our squad, but it doesn't work like that especially for a Scottish club. There are no Russian billionaires here.

I'm reasonably happy with how things have gone transfer-wise given the fact we lost some key players that were outside of our control. The lack of a striker is the big concern for me.

Oh and btw, Parkhead is empty due to the lack of challenge in the league at present. Don't kid yourself that a magical overpaid striker would have the punters flooding back in, it wouldn't. A one-horse race is even more boring than a 2 horse race.

Intifada

It's clear we want different things for our club, so we'll agree to disagree on this.

RoryMac

PauloMN wrote: »

Pay them more, simples. No arguing with someone who sees life as black and white as that.

And yes, people do want to play for Stoke etc. because it means they are playing in the EPL, even if they never get a sniff of Europe. Unfortunately the lure of the EPL is too much to resist, and money is only a part of it. Playing Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Spurs etc. appeals to a lot of players more than Ross County, Hamilton, Kilmarnock etc. week in/week out, even if there's a possibility of a few European games with Celtic.

Paying over the odds? We have to be more careful with out finances than most other "big clubs" because of the sh1t league we are in, we can't just splash cash around as you suggest. Doing what we do i.e. looking for emerging talents and selling them on for £££ is how we stay in business. Of course, we all want better players, and more of them, and to never have holes in our squad, but it doesn't work like that especially for a Scottish club. There are no Russian billionaires here.

I'm reasonably happy with how things have gone transfer-wise given the fact we lost some key players that were outside of our control. The lack of a striker is the big concern for me.

Oh and btw, Parkhead is empty due to the lack of challenge in the league at present. Don't kid yourself that a magical overpaid striker would have the punters flooding back in, it wouldn't. A one-horse race is even more boring than a 2 horse race.

Agree 100%

I don't get this idea some have that players will be tempted to Celtic to play in a 1 horse league with the chance of maybe 4 - 6 big games in Europe over a smaller team in the EPL with 10 - 12 big games & more money.

A Dub in Glasgo

Intifada wrote: »

Pay them more. It's not a master plan really, in fact it's an extremely common approached used all over the world. Do you think anybody in the world actually wants to play for Stoke? West Brom? They go there for money. Sometimes these clubs will offer more than us but not always.

Would you be happy to pay more for your season ticket so that Celtic can 'just pay more' than the likes of Stoke, West Brom etc?

Intifada

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Would you be happy to pay more for your season ticket so that Celtic can 'just pay more' than the likes of Stoke, West Brom etc?

I would be happy to pay more for a better product, yes. Are you going to pretend this is groundbreaking economics as well?

PauloMN

Intifada wrote: »

I would be happy to pay more for a better product, yes. Are you going to pretend this is groundbreaking economics as well?

If we didn't qualify again for the CL, even after spending your magical £10m extra, I don't believe for one minute that you'd be happy to spend more watching Celtic win the league as per usual. No way. And the people who run the club know fine well how much people are willing to pay.

This is all a balancing act between keeping the club in the black (which contrary to the joke you keep making of it is actually quite a serious issue) and providing the players needed to win the league, cups and make a dent in Europe. Everyone - supporters, manager and board alike - would love to be able to bring in better players, especially when we clearly have a gap like we do now up front. However it's more than just "offer more money", we face a huge battle attracting players of any quality to this sh1t league, and that's even before money is spoken about.

Intifada

PauloMN wrote: »

If we didn't qualify again for the CL, even after spending your magical £10m extra, I don't believe for one minute that you'd be happy to spend more watching Celtic win the league as per usual. No way.

Firstly I don't know why you are calling it a 'magical' £10m, as if the money doesn't currently exist.

Second, if we invested in a CL squad and didn't qualify for the CL then yes, I would be unhappy. So far the only option we have used is to not invest, and it has resulted in us repeatedly failing to qualify. You are happy to continue like this, I am not. That's why I prefer an alternative while you are making excuses for the disgraceful decline of our club and just happy that we're not liquidated.

Dempsey

If it was such a simple solution as spending a little more money to see bigger returns and guaranteeing UCL football then why cant businessmen of the stature of Dermot Desmond, Peter Lawwell, Ian Bankier and all the other directors not agree with it? What do you know about business and running football clubs that they dont?

I dont think the club has downsized since Strachan came in. The main difference is that other leagues are getting more money from their tv deals and therefore the likes of Southampton can offer substantially better contracts the likes of VVD on top of the lure of a better league, better chances of making national squads etc. Financially Celtic have been static whilst most leagues have been growing faster in terms of revenue.

Also, you do know that Celtic offered VVD a new contract before he signed for Southampton. More money at Celtic wasnt going to change his mind

Intifada

Dempsey wrote: »

If it was such a simple solution as spending a little more money to see bigger returns and guaranteeing UCL football then why cant businessmen of the stature of Dermot Desmond, Peter Lawwell, Ian Bankier and all the other directors not agree with it? What do you know about business and running football clubs that they dont?

If this logic held true then there would be no need for political or financial analysts, investigative journalists, critics etc since the professionals in charge clearly know best, don't they :rolleyes: Lawwell is paid upwards of half a million in bonuses independent of on-the-pitch succes. They chase a greedy, high reward outcome whereby we qualify by the skin of our teeth without any investment (e.g. Karagandy), maximizing financial returns.

Dempsey wrote: »

I dont think the club has downsized since Strachan came in.

Going to have to draw a line under this topic here then, sorry.

Dempsey

Intifada wrote: »

If this logic held true then there would be no need for political or financial analysts, investigative journalists, critics etc since the professionals in charge clearly know best, don't they :rolleyes: Lawwell is paid upwards of half a million in bonuses independent of on-the-pitch succes. They chase a greedy, high reward outcome whereby we qualify by the skin of our teeth without any investment (e.g. Karagandy), maximizing financial returns.


Going to have to draw a line under this topic here then, sorry.

I doubt there are many financial analyst or journalists that know better than a self made billionaire when it comes to business. Name me a few of Desmonds high profile mistakes in his business career?

You think thats the corner case they are chasing? That doesnt make that much sense since its a highly unsustainable thing to aim for. I think you've confused value for money with a conspiracy theory. Being competitive and picking up draw/win bonuses, qualifying for european competition after christmas would be more desirable carrot.

After your metric when comparing this seasons squad to last years, I'm not going to take your word that the club downsized. I'm sure you are going to show me in the annual reports where and when the downsizing occurred and what drove it with facts and figures otherwise you drawing a line under it doesnt count for shít.

weldoninhio

Intifada wrote: »

Firstly I don't know why you are calling it a 'magical' £10m, as if the money doesn't currently exist.

Second, if we invested in a CL squad and didn't qualify for the CL then yes, I would be unhappy. So far the only option we have used is to not invest, and it has resulted in us repeatedly failing to qualify. You are happy to continue like this, I am not. That's why I prefer an alternative while you are making excuses for the disgraceful decline of our club and just happy that we're not liquidated.

Well as seen on transfer deadline day, £10m doesn't even get you Ross McCormack.