Is boards.ie a home for the middle class?

zeffabelli

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I don't get this thing of using the term "middle-class" as a pejorative. If a person is born into a middle-class background... I'm... failing to see what they've done wrong?

It's the individual and their attitude that are of concern, not what accident of birth they happened to have had.

The way the OP keeps droning "middle-class" over and over indicates "I've recently learned a phrase that I don't quite know the meaning of, but it makes me feel really intelligent to keep using it, so I'll do so ad nauseum."

Middle-class is not automatically = snob. Who's sneerier? People who are middle-class and don't judge people about their backgrounds, or people who keep leaping at every opportunity to put down middle-class people?

It's called a working class chip on your shoulder dahling,

mikemac1

I grew up on a farm so come from land owning gentry and at the same time common labourers

Stick me in a class

Cold War Kid

zeffabelli wrote: »

It's called a working class chip on your shoulder dahling,

Also self-loathing-middleclass syndrome. Ever notice there are some middle-class people who are just MORTO that they didn't have an "edgier" upbringing? :pac:
(Was like that myself when a teenager).

MarkAnthony

mikemac1 wrote: »

I grew up on a farm so come from land owning gentry and at the same time common labourers

Stick me in a class

Farmers

Hans Bricks

A person would have to have real insecurity and self esteem issues to make an effort to come across as either working or middle class. What's wrong with being one or the other ? Someone on a certain income, or above the median is suddenly XYZ if they give an opinion relating to the dole and social welfare system ?

I see plenty of criticism of wasters and repeat offenders alright, I've yet to see plumbers, truck drivers or part timers in Dunnes etc ridiculed for their profession here on boards.

MarkAnthony

What's interesting (to me at least) is the leisure class is now the under class. People who have been on long term benefits, possibly second generation. Getting a job is as alien to them as it would have been to the aristocracy of yore.

zeffabelli

MarkAnthony wrote: »

What's interesting (to me at least) is the leisure class is now the under class. People who have been on long term benefits, possibly second generation. Getting a job is as alien to them as it would have been to the aristocracy of yore.

The Aristocracy were parasites of the worse kind.

Ozymandius2011

MarkAnthony wrote: »

What's interesting (to me at least) is the leisure class is now the under class. People who have been on long term benefits, possibly second generation. Getting a job is as alien to them as it would have been to the aristocracy of yore.

Getting a job is not always possible if someone is severely disabled. And even if the disability is not so bad as to prevent independent living, many employers won't take on someone they regard as "slow" when they can just fly in well trained workers from Eastern Europe or China. I have an autism spectrum disorder and have never had a job and I am 35 and I go on course after course and keep getting dropped. The employers feel its not their job to train people. The last people I was on a course with praised my work but still. So how is that my fault?

Quin_Dub

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

Getting a job is not always possible if someone is severely disabled. And even if the disability is not so bad as to prevent independent living, many employers won't take on someone they regard as "slow" when they can just fly in well trained workers from Eastern Europe or China.

Think that there is a clear differentiation made between those that "can't" work and those that simply won't...

KomradeBishop

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Think that there is a clear differentiation made between those that "can't" work and those that simply won't...

Well, not if you read some of the average Boards discussion of people on the dole

ShowMeTheCash

noway12345 wrote: »

I'll banter you.

Mildly aroused!

ShowMeTheCash

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

Middle class is say €33000 a year or more. Incidentally the last Census found 50% earning over €28000.

So what is the average house price in Ireland?
For argument sake let's say 200K being dublin is much higher.

Even on 40K which by the above definition would make you middle class.

No one should borrow more than 3x salary, most banks will not allow you now.

40K x 3 = 120K

Bit crap being middle class if you cannot even buy a house!

RonanP77

ShowMeTheCash wrote:

Bit crap being middle class if you cannot even buy a house!

I suppose if your other half was earning the same too you could afford a house. I earn well over €50k and I'm not middle class, I'm a forktruck driver.

ShowMeTheCash

RonanP77 wrote: »

I suppose if your other half was earning the same too you could afford a house. I earn well over €50k and I'm not middle class, I'm a forktruck driver.

Nope!

Formula for two people is supposed to be 3x big salary x1 the small.
Even if both are earning 40K each technically that would only mean a borrowing power of 160K...

But point I am making people have this idea of middle class which is complete nonsense..

Quin_Dub

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Nope!

Formula for two people is supposed to be 3x big salary x1 the small.
Even if both are earning 40K each technically that would only mean a borrowing power of 160K...

But point I am making people have this idea of middle class which is complete nonsense..

But the question is whether Middle-Income and Middle-Class are the same thing...

They are not...One is a salary level , the other is a mind-set or outlook on life..

ShowMeTheCash

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But the question is whether Middle-Income and Middle-Class are the same thing...

They are not...One is a salary level , the other is a mind-set or outlook on life..

Exactly, the OP originally said a middle class attitude, I am still not really sure what they means.

Middle class usually implies family wealth and or an estate something beyond your income...

If you need to work regardless if you make 100k+ then you are working class!
So it's all a bit of a nonsense!

Ozymandius2011

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

So what is the average house price in Ireland?
For argument sake let's say 200K being dublin is much higher.

Even on 40K which by the above definition would make you middle class.

No one should borrow more than 3x salary, most banks will not allow you now.

40K x 3 = 120K

Bit crap being middle class if you cannot even buy a house!

Well thats lower middle class. Its not agreed where middle class starts and upper class ends. Its a very wide spectrum.

unfortunately

People are going to need to define middle class, working class etc or we'll all be arguing across one another about different things.

EDIT: Sorry I wrote this assuming the thread was only 1 page long, however my point still stands.

ShowMeTheCash

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

Well thats lower middle class. Its not agreed where middle class starts and upper class ends. Its a very wide spectrum.

It's nonsense!

Or maybe that is lower lower upper lower middle class!

fussyonion

I only use Cushelle and I look down on people who call ketchup "red sauce".
Am I middle class?

dub_skav

fussyonion wrote: »

I only use Cushelle and I look down on people who call ketchup "red sauce".
Am I middle class?

Depends what you use Cushelle for

noway12345

What's cushelle? Obviously a middle class thing.

ShowMeTheCash

noway12345 wrote: »

What's cushelle? Obviously a middle class thing.

You would refer to it as bog roll!
I use the bidet! Then have one of the local FAS workers air dry my shuck with a fan!

bolopapa

Am middle-class by income and view. Always jelous of the super rich and find fault in them, and am not proud of it. Plus not that they really do give a sh1te.
And i kind of partially agree with youe observation.

Will_mck

Nope, I'm on here and one does not evacuate ones bath tub to pee