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washing and drying machines in bathroom?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭johnnyfruitcake


    Quick question related to washer and a dryer, do people generally have them on the same circuit or have them on individual circuits?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Quick question related to washer and a dryer, do people generally have them on the same circuit or have them on individual circuits?

    I can't think of any reason to put them on separate circuits. They would generally always be on the same circuit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭johnnyfruitcake


    aido79 wrote: »
    I can't think of any reason to put them on separate circuits. They would generally always be on the same circuit.

    Thought so, just wanted to be sure, cheers

    Would they need separate above counter isolators or will one do when plugged into the same double socket


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Thought so, just wanted to be sure, cheers

    Would they need separate above counter isolators or will one do when plugged into the same double socket

    It would be like putting a kettle and a toaster on different circuits. You could do it but there's no need.

    There's no need for separate isolators either. The purpose of the isolator is to ensure the machines can be safely removed without unplugging them as there is no way to access the plug. Being metal there is a chance that they could become live so this reduces the risk of a person getting a shock from the machine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭meercat


    aido79 wrote: »

    There's no need for separate isolators either. .

    55.1.2
    Every appliance shall be provided with a separate isolating switch ..........
    The device shall be installed within 2mts .........


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭meercat


    Quick question related to washer and a dryer, do people generally have them on the same circuit or have them on individual circuits?

    I’d put them on separate circuits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    meercat wrote: »
    55.1.2
    Every appliance shall be provided with a separate isolating switch ..........
    The device shall be installed within 2mts .........

    Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. Is that a new thing?

    My oven and dishwasher are on the same isolator so I presumed it was alright to have more than one appliance on a single isolator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭meercat


    aido79 wrote: »
    Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. Is that a new thing?

    My oven and dishwasher are on the same isolator so I presumed it was alright to have more than one appliance on a single isolator.

    That’s from the 4th edition which have been out a fair while. The new 5th edition are out but I don’t have them to hand just yet.

    Your oven and dishwasher shouldn’t be on the same circuit never mind being on the same isolator


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    meercat wrote: »
    That’s from the 4th edition which have been out a fair while. The new 5th edition are out but I don’t have them to hand just yet.

    Your oven and dishwasher shouldn’t be on the same circuit never mind being on the same isolator

    What's wrong with putting an oven and a dishwasher on the same circuit?
    They're rarely used at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭meercat


    aido79 wrote: »
    What's wrong with putting an oven and a dishwasher on the same circuit?
    They're rarely used at the same time.

    The oven is most likely on a 32amp circuit and not rcd protected
    The dishwasher should be on a 20amp circuit and be rcd protected


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    meercat wrote: »
    The oven is most likely on a 32amp circuit and not rcd protected
    The dishwasher should be on a 20amp circuit and be rcd protected

    The hob is on a 32 amp circuit. The oven is plugged into a 10 amp socket(as most ovens are these days) so is on a 20 amp circuit which is rcd protected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    Reading this with interest. Living in a tiny house and require a proper washer and dryer (medical reasons) which are taking over the kitchen. We have a downstairs toilet which is ‘massive’ (for someone who is used to an under the stairs toilet anyways!). Sink and toilet only no bath.

    I was standing in it this morning thinking could we cable through the wall from where they currently are (keep the electrics outside) and literally move them to the other side in the toilet like the attached image

    Is this ever done in Ireland or am I barking up the wrong tree so to speak in my search of better use of space?


    The only other option would be under the stairs which I’d be wary of with leaks/warmth and wood stairs. Upstairs would be bonkers coz our floors are insanely noisy as it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭noplacehere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 archtop


    I hope it’s not frowned upon replying to an old thread, but here we go…!

    I've had a washing machine and dryer in my upstairs shower room / wet room for just over 10 years. The appliances are connected to a fused spur, with designated RCD. I replaced the first dryer after 8 years and there was absolutely no sign of rust on that unit. I mention it because a few posts recommended against this set-up because of this.

    I’m now considering revamping the bathroom, and as I plan to instal solar panels soon, I’d like to make sure the electrics up to current regs. I have not seen the latest regs from 2020, but my understanding is the appliances are in zone 3 (approx 1.7m from edge of shower, exceeding the .6m spec). 

    My question is do the machines need to be in their own enclosure in this situation?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 archtop


    Did you make any progress with this? I’m discussing with an electrician atm best positioning of switches etc in order to keep the appliances in the bathroom.

    My understanding is that under I.S. 10101:2020, areas outside Zone 2 are considered unzoned and are treated similarly to other domestic spaces, provided they meet certain safety criteria.​

    Regarding the installation of washing machines and their isolation switches outside Zone 2, the standard specifies:​

    Fixed and Permanently Connected Equipment: Appliances must be fixed (i.e., securely installed in a designated location) and permanently connected to the electrical supply. This means using a fused connection unit (FCU) rather than a standard plug and socket arrangement.​ They must be RCD protected (30mA)

    Isolation Switch Location: The isolation switch for the appliance should be positioned outside the bathroom whenever feasible. If it's necessary to place the isolation switch inside the bathroom, it must be located outside Zone 2 and installed at a height between 400mm and 1200mm from the floor.​



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭meercat


    It’s still not permitted to install these appliances in a bathroom/shower room

    Only appliances designed specifically for these rooms are permitted

    IMG_4706.jpeg

    where exactly are you getting this information from (can you link it)

    IS101012020 and amendment 2024 doesn’t permit it


    IMG_4707.jpeg IMG_4708.jpeg IMG_4709.jpeg IMG_4710.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 archtop


    Thanks for those photos - very helpful. 

    I just had an electrician out who is doing a period inspection and checking all the circuits. I showed him the current arrangement with washing machine and dryer stacked in the corner of the bathroom. Apparently It’s in zone 3 and not zone 2 like I thought. There’s a lot of conflicting diagrams online (where I was getting my info) but he had the most recent regs book there and he showed me what’s required. He recommended a cupboard for the appliances at first. But then said it was ok because the appliances were on a non-switched fused spur. If there was a switch there would need to be a physical barrier between it and zone 3. He recommended putting a switch just outside the door so the appliances could be safely switched off in the event of a fire. 

    Looking at the table 701.1, zone 3, wall outlets for appliances are allowed, and low-voltage sockets (shavers etc). 

    In 701.555.17 it specifies appliances must be permanently fixed. It doesn’t specify what appliances are allowed or not allowed, just how they are powered.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Maybe I'm missing something, but I can’t see anything in the photos in the post above that prohibits a washing machine fed from a spur outlet and protected by an RCD being installed in zone 3.

    In fact in Table 701.1 under “Fixed appliances” for zone 3 it says “No special requirements….”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭newuser...


    A bathroom could be any size so I don't see how they can make rules for outside zones



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