US shooting at Mohahammed Cartoon conference

BlaasForRafa

Inquitus wrote: »

Kind of pointlessly provocative event mind, lets all have an event to display the controversial cartoons that have caused mayhem in the past and while we are at it we'll try and draw some more.

Just because something is provocative doesn't mean that one needs to let oneself be provoked.

A rational response to this event would be "you're drawing cartoons of mohammed? Big deal, it doesn't affect me", not "Allah Akbar, kill kill kill!"

Santa Cruz

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You think these two gunman care about human life?

And the world is a better place for their passing.

Although they are probably having a great time with all those virgins waiting for them

Gandalph

Angelique Bitter Gut wrote: »

Hilarious! 2 people are dead. They may have been the gunmen but two human beings are still dead.
Stuck for a thread?

All aboard the bleed-heart express!

Do us a favour and buy a 1 way ticket.

Drakares

Inquitus wrote: »

Kind of pointlessly provocative event mind, lets all have an event to display the controversial cartoons that have caused mayhem in the past and while we are at it we'll try and draw some more. Its right up there with the Westborough Baptists for most stupid application of the first amendment. I'd say the attendees were a lovely bunch.

Nonsense. The winning cartoon sums it up fairly well.

moc moc a moc

Angelique Bitter Gut wrote: »

Hilarious! 2 people are dead. They may have been the gunmen but two human beings are still dead.
Stuck for a thread?

Crap like this is why Boards needs a 'no thanks' button.

kneemos

Why would they have a cartoon drawing competition about any religion?
Not condoning the shooters , but it's provocative and pointless.

kneemos

Custardpi wrote: »

Nonsense. No cartoon has ever caused mayhem. People rioting, burning, shooting & stabbing those they disagree with have caused mayhem. If you dislike a cartoon, novel, film etc & pick up a weapon in response then the responsibility for the consequences are with you, not the cartoonist, novelist or filmmaker. Regardless of what one may think of Geller et al the only doors at which blame should be left for this incident are those of the two gunmen & anyone who incited them to attack the event. Freedom of speech means nothing unless it includes the right to say things which others may choose to take offense at.

So next is a competition for the best cartoon of a handicapped child?

Common sense needs to prevail at some point

Wang King

kneemos wrote: »

So next is a competition for the best cartoon of a handicapped child?

Common sense needs to prevail at some point

Yeah, but children with disabilities actually exist

pmasterson95

kneemos wrote: »

So next is a competition for the best cartoon of a handicapped child?

Common sense needs to prevail at some point

I'm not sure that would lead to parents of disabled kids trying to murder as many people as they can

volchitsa

kneemos wrote: »

So next is a competition for the best cartoon of a handicapped child?

Common sense needs to prevail at some point

If there were countries where the followers of disabled children were using them as a reason to stone people whose lifestyle they disapproved of, then yeah, absolutely

But there aren't, so that's a stupid comparison.

blinding

Wang King wrote: »

Yeah, but children with disabilities
actually exist

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I'm not sure that would lead to parents of disabled kids trying to murder as many people as they can

And that may be the crux of the matter.

Its actually because they are so insecure in their faith that they react in such a violent manner.

If you were secure in your beliefs you would not react in such away.

IrishTrajan

Inquitus wrote: »

Kind of pointlessly provocative event mind, lets all have an event to display the controversial cartoons that have caused mayhem in the past and while we are at it we'll try and draw some more. Its right up there with the Westborough Baptists for most stupid application of the first amendment. I'd say the attendees were a lovely bunch.

I agree with you, it was provocative. But it was not pointless. It was to make a point (that point being; Islam is not a religion of peace). If I drew a picture of Jesus with a dick in his mouth, wearing two different fabrics and with a tattoo of a pentagram on his neck with "I hate Jews" on his forehead, you think someone would shoot me? I'd get a whole lot of angry twitter rants (deservedly), but I don't think anyone would shoot me. Never mind the fact that this happens quite regularly, for simply drawing Mohammed. You can't absolve one group by blaming the others as "you got shot for drawing in paper, totally deserved it!".

I'm quite glad nobody at this event got seriously hurt, aside from those two idiots with guns.

IrishTrajan

kneemos wrote: »

Why would they have a cartoon drawing competition about any religion?
Not condoning the shooters , but it's provocative and pointless.

We often have people drawing Buddha or Jesus. We often have people mocking Jesus, the Church, and Priests though.

Saipanne

kneemos wrote: »

So next is a competition for the best cartoon of a handicapped child?

Common sense needs to prevail at some point

Yes.

Santa Cruz

These bastards open fire on an art exhibition, get killed and then rewarded with free access to 78 virgins. It's so unfair

Guy:Incognito

kneemos wrote: »

Why would they have a cartoon drawing competition about any religion?
Not condoning the shooters , but it's provocative and pointless.

How about jokes? Are boards provoking shooters too?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054885222

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=225541

smurgen

I think events like this may alienate moderate muslims. **** the extrimist muslims all the same but the moderates need to be made welcome as part of the community.

Micky Dolenz

The people who ran the event are nuts.

Here's what I find interesting, two men leave a car sporting assault rifles. They approach an armed cop and an unarmed security guard. They open free, hitting the guard in the legs. Te cop draws his service pistol and shoots both dead.

Give that man a medal.

Streetwalker

Santa Cruz wrote: »

These bastards open fire on an art exhibition, get killed and then rewarded with free access to 78 virgins. It's so unfair

I'd do it for 79 virgins but 78 id just taking the piss.

Streetwalker

smurgen wrote: »

I think events like this may alienate moderate muslims. **** the extrimist muslims all the same but the moderates need to be made welcome as part of the community.

Which isn't happening in my experience and if it doesn't the extremists will win. 99.99% of Muslims are peace loving and no different than you and me. If we let the bigots and the racists win or if they keep believing the spin churned out by Fox/Sky news etc.. nothing will change.

blinding

Santa Cruz wrote: »

These bastards open fire on an art exhibition, get killed and then rewarded with free access to 78 virgins. It's so unfair

You can be sure that some of those Virgins are going to be high maintenance down the line.

Funny if they turned out to 78 virgin Homosexuals and that just wasn't the terrorist thing ! ! !

Always read the small print

Overflow

tritium wrote: »

Those gunmen sound lovely but misunderstood. The folks holding the conference sound lovely too. Can we put them all on an island together, far away from normal society. Maybe give them guns there too...

Congratulations you win the award for the first person to mention the obligatory "Put them all on an Island" response !

SterlingArcher

I find it amusing. not the guys getting killed. They made a choice their decision, thems the breaks.

The part I find amusing is Texas holding that event as if to say we are not afraid to speak freely . All for freedom of speech. But You go down to Texas and hold a slagging off god, calling god homosexual cartoon event. See how much freedom is appreciated in the bible belt .

Seems its more, speak freely as long as the majority agrees. It's not the corpses stinking, it's the Hypocrisy.

Custardpi

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The people who ran the event are nuts.

That may well be true (I think Geller is still in the "Birther" camp regarding President Obama, so probably not the full shilling). However, in the context of the events that have just transpired & not that long after the Charlie Hebdo massacre it's not particularly relevant or helpful. It's rather like remarking upon a girl's fondness for low cut dresses & bacardi right after someone has attempted to rape her. Could she have avoided trouble by changing her actions? Possibly yes, but why the f*ck should she have to? Same principle applies here. I'm no fan of Geller's politics but 100% of the blame here is on the shooters & anyone who encouraged them. No ifs, buts or whatabouts needed.

kneemos

IrishTrajan wrote: »

We often have people drawing Buddha or Jesus. We often have people mocking Jesus, the Church, and Priests though.

Never heard of a competition to the best cartoon.Pretty sure it would cause an uproar here too.

These people probably deserve each other in fairness .

Palmach

SterlingArcher wrote: »

I find it amusing. not the guys getting killed. They made a choice their decision, thems the breaks.

The part I find amusing is Texas holding that event as if to say we are not afraid to speak freely . All for freedom of speech. But You go down to Texas and hold a slagging off god, calling god homosexual cartoon event. See how much freedom is appreciated in the bible belt .

Seems its more, speak freely as long as the majority agrees. It's not the corpses stinking, it's the Hypocrisy.

One of the most clueless posts since your other post on this thread. You can say what you like about God in Texas and I am pretty sure you won't be shot at. This event was bait for the headhackers and they took it hook,line and sinker as they always do.

Palmach

kneemos wrote: »

Never heard of a competition to the best cartoon.Pretty sure it would cause an uproar here too.

These people probably deserve each other in fairness .

No it wouldn't. People would tu tut, there would letters to the paper, some hyperventilating on Joe Duffy and that'd be that.

smurgen

SterlingArcher wrote: »

I find it amusing. not the guys getting killed. They made a choice their decision, thems the breaks.

The part I find amusing is Texas holding that event as if to say we are not afraid to speak freely . All for freedom of speech. But You go down to Texas and hold a slagging off god, calling god homosexual cartoon event. See how much freedom is appreciated in the bible belt .

Seems its more, speak freely as long as the majority agrees. It's not the corpses stinking, it's the Hypocrisy.

If a group of Muslim Americans had a flag burning demo in Texas I wonder how it would go down?

BoJack Horseman

smurgen wrote: »

If a group of Muslim Americans had a flag burning demo in Texas I wonder how it would go down?

What do you imagine would happen in your imagined scenario?

(Cos, imagination = fact after all)

Custardpi

smurgen wrote: »

If a group of Muslim Americans had a flag burning demo in Texas I wonder how it would go down?

So long as it was their own flag they would be protected by the police. Certainly no one would shoot at them. Burning flags that you own yourself is constitutionally protected speech in the US.

BoJack Horseman

Almost appears like the whole thing was a trap & the jihadis took the bait.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-who-would-have-met-the-garland-gunman-if-they-m-1701964388

Had the Jihadis made it inside, they wouldn't have lasted long, the event was very well protected.

conorhal

Streetwalker wrote: »

Which isn't happening in my experience and if it doesn't the extremists will win. 99.99% of Muslims are peace loving and no different than you and me. If we let the bigots and the racists win or if they keep believing the spin churned out by Fox/Sky news etc.. nothing will change.

Would that it were only 00.01% of Muslims that were the problem, then there would be no problem. Surveys however keep spitting up uncomfortable truths about Muslim attitudes all around the globe (including here in the West), like the majority in places like Egypt and Pakistan favour the death penalty for people that leave the Muslim religion or a recent one that indicated 20% of British Muslims felt that Islam was incompatible with Western values.

One of the biggest problems we have with Islam is actually how consistently people (particular those in power) want to pretend that there's no problem with Islam and frankly, suggesting that any 'perceived' problem with Islam is just a figment of Fox News’ (which is a bucket of runny shoite) imagination is a dishonest and disingenuous position.

Hitchens

conorhal wrote: »

If it were only 00.01% of muslims that were the problem there would be no problem, surveys however keep spitting up uncomfortable truths about Muslim attitudes, like the majority in places like Egypt and Pakistan favour the death penalty for prople that leave the muslim religion or a recient one that indicated 20% of British Muslims felt that Islam was incompatable with Western values.

One of the biggest problems we have with Islam is how consistantly people want to pretend that there's no problem with Islam and suggesting that any 'percieved' problem is just a figment of Fox News (which is a bucket of runny shoite) imagination is dishonest and disingenuous.

It's pathetic the way pc brigade fall over themselves trying make excuses for the Isis brigade ........"apart from the throwing gay people of tall buildings and cutting off people's heads they're not the worst you'd meet"

kneemos

The anti Muslim brigade around here appear just as intractable as the jihadists.

smurgen

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

What do you imagine would happen in your imagined scenario?

(Cos, imagination = fact after all)

it's a mental exercise.do you think them exercising free speech would be lauded by fellow texans?

conorhal

kneemos wrote: »

The anti Muslim brigade around here appear just as intractable as the jihadists.

Yeah well give us a call when they start murdering people that disagree with them. I don't see the problem with a degree if intractability when it comes to dealing with mass murderers.

Custardpi

kneemos wrote: »

The anti Muslim brigade around here appear just as intractable as the jihadists.

What are the chances of one of them picking up a gun & shooting people they disagree with?

BoJack Horseman

smurgen wrote: »

it's a mental exercise.

Its your fantasy buddy.
You play it out.

kneemos

Custardpi wrote: »

What are the chances of one of them picking up a gun & shooting people they disagree with?

You're proving my point.

Custardpi

kneemos wrote: »

You're proving my point.

How?

sabat

Custardpi wrote: »

What are the chances of one of them picking up a gun & shooting people they disagree with?

Of the type of people who were attending that 'conference', I would guess the chances are quite high.

SterlingArcher

Palmach wrote: »

One of the most clueless posts since your other post on this thread. You can say what you like about God in Texas and I am pretty sure you won't be shot at. This event was bait for the headhackers and they took it hook,line and sinker as they always do.

Yay, I have a follower... My aren't I the popular one...You're right about the clueless part. I don't even recall having another post in this thread. whoops.

Custardpi

sabat wrote: »

Of the type of people who were attending that 'conference', I would guess the chances are quite high.

You're basing that on what exactly?

smurgen

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Its your fantasy buddy.
You play it out.

do you think their free speech would be imposed upon by locals.Yes or no?

kneemos

Custardpi wrote: »

How?

By not seeing the bigger picture of why was a competition allowed that ridicules any religion.
There's intolerance on both sides.

sabat

Custardpi wrote: »

You're basing that on what exactly?

Texas, right-wing, fundamentalist Christian, hating a minority enough to organise an event just to antagonise them.

Custardpi

kneemos wrote: »

By not seeing the bigger picture of why was a competition allowed that ridicules any religion.
There's intolerance on both sides.

It was allowed because free speech is protected under the US constitution. Just as a conference organised by Muslims to draw offensive cartoons of someone right wing Texans revered would be protected. Only one side attempted to silence the other with bullets. Only one side is to blame here, that of the two gunmen & anyone who supported them.

Custardpi

sabat wrote: »

Texas, right-wing, fundamentalist Christian, hating a minority enough to organise an event just to antagonise them.

Again, if supporters of any ideology, whether that be spiritual or secular in nature are so backward that a few silly drawings can drive them into homicidal rage then those people are idiots who deserve to be antagonised & ridiculed. How far are you prepared to go with that statement? Publication of The Satanic Verses (a far better piece of art) sparked an even wider violent response from religious fanatics. Should that have been banned just to avoid "antagonising" Islamic extremists?

smurgen

Custardpi wrote: »

Again, if supporters of any ideology, whether that be spiritual or secular in nature are so backward that a few silly drawings can drive them into homicidal rage then those people are idiots who deserve to be antagonised & ridiculed. How far are you prepared to go with that statement? Publication of The Satanic Verses (a far better piece of art) sparked an even wider violent response from religious fanatics. Should that have been banned just to avoid "antagonising" Islamic extremists?

how about the burning of the US flag?It's just a silly flag after all. Do you think it may be matched with violence with a few texans?

Custardpi

smurgen wrote: »

how about the burning of the US flag?It's just a silly flag after all. Do you think it may be matched with violence with a few texans?

As I've stated above burning a US flag, provided you own the flag yourself has been specifically stated to be constitutionally protected speech in the US, which includes Texas. Actually I'd be surprised if some Texans haven't burned the odd US flag themselves. There's a small but vocal minority of Texans who actually favour independence for the state. I think the "Republic of Texas" may even still have an "embassy" in London. A Republican politician there, Rick Perry has previously floated the idea of secession for the Lone Star State. In any case a conference in Texas where people brought their own US flags to burn would not face anything like the level of threat which the Mohammed cartoon event did.