US shooting at Mohahammed Cartoon conference

IrishTrajan

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

I know plenty about anatomy, physics etc. and knowing those things doesn't make me an expert on what happens when someone gets shot. You are the definition of an armchair expert and very defensive, as you should be considering your silly claims to knowledge on this subject.

You're trying too hard to sound edgy, you're clueless.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: "When you can't attack the argument, attack the character".


Well, we've been getting off-topic for long enough, how's about we get back to the topic at hand?

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Have police took the bodies/made sure the vehicle wasn't booby trapped?

Mechanical Clocktail

IrishTrajan wrote: »

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: "When you can't attack the argument, attack the character".


Well, we've been getting off-topic for long enough, how's about we get back to the topic at hand?

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Have police took the bodies/made sure the vehicle wasn't booby trapped?

You pretend to be an expert, throw a mini-strop when you're challenged on something, present your non-credentials, and then declare you have an argument at all. You're a joke, keep up the good work.

IrishTrajan

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

You pretend to be an expert, throw a mini-strop when you're challenged on something, present your non-credentials, and then declare you have an argument at all. You're a joke, keep up the good work.

An expert? No. Someone with a basic understanding? Of course. My argument stands up to scrutiny, there's nothing suspicious about the video, it all makes perfect sense, under the circumstances presented.

Now, can you stop trying to bait me into continuing an off-topic discussion?

Roger Hassenforder

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

I don't want anything, I'm only asking questions. You can't speak with authority on whether the man is clearly shot or not, whether your fetish is guns or not. Referencing action movies doesn't make me feel stupid for asking basic questions either, that's just being cheap on your part. I'm going to take it you're more armchair expert than anything. Knowing about guns is one thing, this is another game entirely. You're basing your expertice on having watched likeleak videos from Syria or something? That's poor training to access anything imo.

Ok, which is more likely:

In a terrorist attack by religious extremists, an attack not unprecedented in its motive, a policeman was shot in the head. In Paris. It was filmed by a witnesses on his phone.

Or

Some unknown conspiracy theorist on d'internet claims, because a melon explodes when hit by an unknown bullet from an unknown calibre and this police man's doesn't, and because there is little to no blood immediately apparent, it's a staged killing to give the state more anti terrorist powers....


I've some beans if you're interested...

darkpagandeath

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

You're opinion's quite strong on this video, but it comes down to your belief then that the video isn't at all suspicious. That's fair enough. The footage isn't hugely convincing that a man actually got shot. If there was no reporting around the video and it was shown in isolation to someone, would they say for definite that that man was shot or not? From the quality of the footage it remains ambiguous.

How many people have seen a person being shot outside the movies ?

darkpagandeath

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

I know plenty about anatomy, physics etc. and knowing those things doesn't make me an expert on what happens when someone gets shot. You are the definition of an armchair expert and very defensive, as you should be considering your silly claims to knowledge on this subject.

You're trying too hard to sound edgy, you're clueless.

Have you ever seen someone shot ?

Mechanical Clocktail

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Ok, which is more likely:

In a terrorist attack by religious extremists, an attack not unprecedented in its motive, a policeman was shot in the head. In Paris. It was filmed by a witnesses on his phone.

Or

Some unknown conspiracy theorist on d'internet claims, because a melon explodes when hit by an unknown bullet from an unknown calibre and this police man's doesn't, and because there is little to no blood immediately apparent, it's a staged killing to give the state more anti terrorist powers....


I've some beans if you're interested...

I'm not making any claims myself, there's always an official line, and then there's whatever really happened. It's quite likely he was shot and killed, the video doesn't show anything definitive death wise. People claiming to be experts on here are pure spoofers. Hands up who's seen a man get shot in the head with an AK before?

I don't know anything about melons at all. I know enough about beans though, I can tell yours aren't magic ones.

Joshua J

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Have you ever seen someone shot ?

You're asking the wrong person he's never claimed expertise in the subject or made definitive judgements like other posters, only saying it was suspicious.

Joshua J

IrishTrajan wrote: »

An expert? No. Someone with a basic understanding? Of course. My argument stands up to scrutiny, there's nothing suspicious about the video, it all makes perfect sense, under the circumstances presented.

Now, can you stop trying to bait me into continuing an off-topic discussion?

Yeah I once went out with a girl whose brother was in the FCA so I guess I'm an internet expert too. Although I suspect I'm not the only one both telling porkies.

IrishTrajan

Joshua J wrote: »

Yeah I once went out with a girl whose brother was in the FCA so I guess I'm an internet expert too. Although I suspect I'm not the only one both telling porkies.

Can you care to refute any of the claims with actual facts, rather than resorting to ad hominem?

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

I'm not making any claims myself, there's always an official line, and then there's whatever really happened. It's quite likely he was shot and killed, the video doesn't show anything definitive death wise. People claiming to be experts on here are pure spoofers. Hands up who's seen a man get shot in the head with an AK before? .

"I believe you haven't seen it in person, so the video must be fake and you're just lying!"

Is this the level of delusion discussion we've reached? How delightfully farcical. I've told you about all the technical points, you would simply rather be the "I'm just asking questions" person than believe the answer. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Joshua J wrote: »

You're asking the wrong person he's never claimed expertise in the subject or made definitive judgements like other posters, only saying it was suspicious.

Except it isn't suspicious, and has already been explained.

"I-i'm just a-asking questions is all!"

darkpagandeath

Joshua J wrote: »

You're asking the wrong person he's never claimed expertise in the subject or made definitive judgements like other posters, only saying it was suspicious.

Based on what ? A rational mind would try to separate reactions in movies. A basic understanding of physics i.e. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And sticking clear of videos labelled "The Truth". Why would it be fake ? Where the people shot in the magazine all faked as well ? As for documents, These people wanted to be found and go out in a blaze of glory for the cause.

But back on topic..

Joshua J

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Can you care to refute any of the claims with actual facts, rather than resorting to ad hominem?



"I believe you haven't seen it in person, so the video must be fake and you're just lying!"

Is this the level of delusion discussion we've reached? How delightfully farcical. I've told you about all the technical points, you would simply rather be the "I'm just asking questions" person than believe the answer. It's absolutely ridiculous.



Except it isn't suspicious, and has already been explained.

"I-i'm just a-asking questions is all!"

Refute claims you're an expert? Anti-muslim with a supposed working knowledge of firearms and with "friends" in the military. You're textbook kid. Textbook. And you've already been rumbled.

Mechanical Clocktail

Joshua J wrote: »

Refute claims you're an expert? Anti-muslim with a supposed working knowledge of firearms and with "friends" in the military. You're textbook kid. Textbook. And you've already been rumbled.

Claiming to "have knowledge" of physics and the like is the funniest thing. My uni physics lectures were good but this guys on another level. Probably actually an analyst with the CIA he's so sure of his skills there. Doesn't want to blow his secret cover.

IrishTrajan

Joshua J wrote: »

Refute claims you're an expert?

Yes, just ignore my explanation of why the video doesn't appear to be fake.

Joshua J wrote: »

Anti-muslim

Can you point out to me where I'm anti-Muslim? I have Muslim friends, and I've already stated (this is probably my third time saying it) that I believe economic circumstances are more important than the religion in and of itself.

Joshua J wrote: »

with a supposed working knowledge of firearms

So do farmers, hunters, sport-shooters, casual gun-owners. It's not exactly hard to understand, if you picked up a book and learned to read, you could understand it too.

Joshua J wrote: »

and with "friends" in the military.

Oh, darn, you've gone and proved the physics of that video is wrong by mentioning the military. What next, you ask if I've shot a kid and why I support imperialism?

People have friends. I have an interest in foreign relations and (by extension) the military. Imagine people with common interests talking. That's unheard of!

Joshua J wrote: »

You're textbook kid. Textbook. And you've already been rumbled.

If only you could read.

darkpagandeath

Joshua J wrote: »

Refute claims you're an expert? Anti-muslim with a supposed working knowledge of firearms and with "friends" in the military. You're textbook kid. Textbook. And you've already been rumbled.

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

Claiming to "have knowledge" of physics and the like is the funniest thing. My uni physics lectures were good but this guys on another level. Probably actually an analyst with the CIA he's so sure of his skills there. Doesn't want to blow his secret cover.

1 out of 10.

IrishTrajan

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

Claiming to "have knowledge" of physics and the like is the funniest thing. My uni physics lectures were good but this guys on another level. Probably actually an analyst with the CIA he's so sure of his skills there. Doesn't want to blow his secret cover.

And yet you don't seem to understand how ballistics work.

darkpagandeath

IrishTrajan wrote: »

And yet you don't seem to understand how ballistics work.

There is no point, It's like trying to explain to a person who plays console games all day like Call of Duty. That soldiers don't operate that way, Physics does not work that way. I mean when was the last time you constantly had lens flair off the sun just walking around :P Or raindrops appearing on your eyes. :pac:

IrishTrajan

darkpagandeath wrote: »

There is no point, It's like trying to explain to a person who plays console games all day like Call of Duty. That soldiers don't operate that way, Physics does not work that way. I mean when was the last time you constantly had lens flair off the sun just walking around :P Or raindrops appearing on your eyes. :pac:

I expect this any moment

Mechanical Clocktail

IrishTrajan wrote: »

If only you could read.

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I expect this any moment

VERY defensive since you admitted not knowing anything. I expect this will be your default now, just throwing insults around and continuing to claim you're an expert.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

There is no point, It's like trying to explain to a person who plays console games all day like Call of Duty. That soldiers don't operate that way, Physics does not work that way. I mean when was the last time you constantly had lens flair off the sun just walking around :P Or raindrops appearing on your eyes. :pac:

I don't play video games but you clearly do. I have no idea what you're talking about but you're practically ridiculing yourself considering you're the gamer here.

bjork

I saw a lady who was shot with 20 rubber bullets, she was grand, not a scratch

IrishTrajan

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

VERY defensive since you admitted not knowing anything. I expect this will be your default now, just throwing insults around and continuing to claim you're an expert.

Imagine someone responding to insults with insults.

That's basically an admission of guilt. I'll be speaking to my lawyer and my contacts at the Bureau (that's what we call it FBI in the Intelligence community, got a ring to it, doesn't it?) are tracking you as we speak. Right now I have four hundred SAS in several stealth choppers (helicopters for you civilians) with nearly fifteen thousand clips chambered in .950, armed with the finest SKS47s that money can't buy, to bring you to our CIA safe house in Area 51 for interrogation and mandatory re-education.

See you in court. Kid.

bjork wrote: »

I saw a lady who was shot with 20 rubber bullets, she was grand, not a scratch

The bullets weren't real, she was in the Matrix, so that Bruce Jenner may remain eternally young.

Mechanical Clocktail

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Imagine someone responding to insults with insults.

That's basically an admission of guilt. I'll be speaking to my lawyer and my contacts at the Bureau (that's what we call it FBI in the Intelligence community, got a ring to it, doesn't it?) are tracking you as we speak. Right now I have four hundred SAS in several stealth choppers (helicopters for you civilians) with nearly fifteen thousand clips chambered in .950, armed with the finest SKS47s that money can't buy, to bring you to our CIA safe house in Area 51 for interrogation and mandatory re-education.

See you in court. Kid.



The bullets weren't real, she was in the Matrix, so that Bruce Jenner may remain eternally young.

Yawn. Good luck lad. Keep applying those mad skills.

darkpagandeath

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

VERY defensive since you admitted not knowing anything. I expect this will be your default now, just throwing insults around and continuing to claim you're an expert.



I don't play video games but you clearly do. I have no idea what you're talking about but you're practically ridiculing yourself considering you're the gamer here.

Aw, Now you hurt my feelings. :pac:

folamh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6s-JFnw15Q

Religion of peace, y'all.

Joshua J

When a media organisation wishes to stoke up some anti-muslin hatred they call Anjem Choudry and put him on TV spouting bile. Use your brain.

folamh

Joshua J wrote: »

When a media organisation wishes to stoke up some anti-muslin hatred they call Anjem Choudry and put him on TV spouting bile. Use your brain.

My brain is trying to figure out why this dude hasn't been banned from the UK like Shirley Phelps.

bb1234567

Angelique Bitter Gut wrote: »

Hilarious! 2 people are dead. They may have been the gunmen but two human beings are still dead.
Stuck for a thread?

They came with the intent of killing innocent people. Spare us the PC bull

Joshua J

folamh wrote: »

My brain is trying to figure out why this dude hasn't been banned from the UK like Shirley Phelps.

Cause he's a UK citizen and she's not. And he serves his purpose.

Joshua J

bb1234567 wrote: »

They came with the intent of killing innocent people. Spare us the PC bull

And they had the event in the hope of getting people to come with the intent of killing people and they were successful and now two men are dead. Back slaps all round.

diddley

Joshua J wrote: »

And he serves his purpose.

What would that be?

darkpagandeath

Joshua J wrote: »

Cause he's a UK citizen and she's not. And he serves his purpose.

What purpose would that be ? If it's the one you are alluding to why are the UK police so kid gloves and afraid to be racist and had let terrible things happen.

Joshua J

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What purpose would that be ? If it's the one you are alluding to why are the UK police so kid gloves and afraid to be racist and had let terrible things happen.

What I'm alluding too would explain why the UK police are so kids gloves so your obviously miles away. Stop lapping up bogus propaganda ffs.

bb1234567

Joshua J wrote: »

And they had the event in the hope of getting people to come with the intent of killing people and they were successful and now two men are dead. Back slaps all round.

No. People are allowed to hold 'drawing contests', people aren't allowed to attack them . People shouldn't be blamed for doing something completely legal, it may have been in bad taste but people who defend gunmen are just wrong. If something pisses you off the answer is not an armed counter attack, people love blaming everyone else but the muslim extremists.

bb1234567

Joshua J wrote: »

And they had the event in the hope of getting people to come with the intent of killing people and they were successful and now two men are dead. Back slaps all round.

Also the men chose to do this of their own free will and got themselves killed. You phrased it as if they weren't the ONLY instigators of their own deaths

Joshua J

bb1234567 wrote: »

No. People are allowed to hold 'drawing contests', people aren't allowed to attack them . People shouldn't be blamed for doing something completely legal, it may have been in bad taste but people who defend gunmen are just wrong. If something pisses you off the answer is not an armed counter attack, people love blaming everyone else but the muslim extremists.

WTF are you even talking about. The event was a complete success.

SILVAMAN

Angelique Bitter Gut wrote: »

Hilarious! 2 people are dead. They may have been the gunmen but two human beings are still dead.
Stuck for a thread?

They don't count.
They forfeited any sympathy the moment the began to plan their terror attack. Let's hope that the police will track down their fellow travellers and eradicate them too.

darkpagandeath

Joshua J wrote: »

WTF are you even talking about. The event was a complete success.

In what way ? Proving there are Radicalised nut jobs willing to shoot up a place because of drawings ? That break no laws or even religious laws ?

Joshua J

I'm surrounded by people who talk to much and think too little.

darkpagandeath

Joshua J wrote: »

I'm surrounded by people who talk to much and think too little.

Yeah them people tried to shoot up a place.

bb1234567

Joshua J wrote: »

WTF are you even talking about. The event was a complete success.

So, the real bad guys here are the people making drawings of mohammad. Not the murderous gunmen...i see your logic

bb1234567

Suppose you think scantily clad young ladies are looking to get raped too?

Joshua J

bb1234567 wrote: »

So, the real bad guys here are the people making drawings of mohammad. Not the murderous gunmen...i see your logic

No you don't.

Joshua J

bb1234567 wrote: »

Suppose you think scantily clad young ladies are looking to get raped too?

You're an idiot.

darkpagandeath

Joshua J wrote: »

No you don't.

What Religous law was broken ?

Joshua J

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What Religous law was broken ?

Who gives a fcuk?. It's like talking to a robot.

bb1234567

Joshua J wrote: »

You're an idiot.

Its the exact same thing.
You're saying that the people hosting the competition wanted to be attacked by radical muslims

darkpagandeath

Joshua J wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk?. It's like talking to a robot.

Why do facts anger people ? :pac:

bb1234567

Joshua J wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk?. It's like talking to a robot.

Lots of people

IrishTrajan

Joshua J wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk?

The entire justice and court system. Normal, rational people.

Egginacup

Bottom line is...

If you do something that enrages someone, specifically someone you don't like, like Muslims, and your action generates the reaction that your petty attempts expect....then you are a champion of free speech.

If someone does something similar such as exercising their "right to free speech" by calling a cop a name or giving the finger to a bouncer (perfectly legal) and get their heads kicked in by the cop or doorman, then they deserve it. They stoked the violence.