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Rear extension and Converting She - Planning

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  • 05-05-2015 5:10pm
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    patrickwoodcock
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    Hi,

    I am thinking of extending my house to the rear which would be under the 40 sq/m allowance for planning. I was also thinking of doing up one of the sheds for a music studio and linking to the house. On the Planning websites it says it is fine to do a rear extension under 40 sq/m, and also it is fine to convert a garage/shed that is under 40 sq/m, anyone know if its allowable to do both? There is nothing to indicate that it cant be done but thought id see if anyone has any experience or advice.

    Thanks.
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    Gumbo
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    patrickwoodcock wrote: »
    Hi,

    I am thinking of extending my house to the rear which would be under the 40 sq/m allowance for planning. I was also thinking of doing up one of the sheds for a music studio and linking to the house. On the Planning websites it says it is fine to do a rear extension under 40 sq/m, and also it is fine to convert a garage/shed that is under 40 sq/m, anyone know if its allowable to do both? There is nothing to indicate that it cant be done but thought id see if anyone has any experience or advice.

    Thanks.


    Planning required for everything and most likely a long form of commencement notice with Assigned Certifier (depending on the outcome of the BCAR Review).


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    sydthebeat
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    CLASS 1
    The extension of a house, by the
    construction     or erection of an extension
    (including a conservatory) to the rear of
    the house or by the conversion for use as
    part of the house of any garage, store,
    shed or other similar structure attached to
    the rear or to the side of the house.

    the first limitation

    1. (a) Where the house has not been
    extended previously, the floor area of
    any such extension shall not exceed 40
    square metres.


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    patrickwoodcock
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭patrickwoodcock


    Planning is not required for the extension. Just wondering about the shed. It's just going to be a music studio


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    moleyv
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    patrickwoodcock wrote:
    Planning is not required for the extension. Just wondering about the shed. It's just going to be a music studio


    Big assumption re the extension unless you have also assessed it against the article 9 restrictions on exemptions too rather than just the conditions/limitations.


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    sydthebeat
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    patrickwoodcock wrote: »
    Planning is not required for the extension. Just wondering about the shed. It's just going to be a music studio

    its been explained above... do both and if above 40 s m and you require planning


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    moleyv
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    sydthebeat wrote:
    its been explained above... do both and if above 40 s m and you require planning

    sydthebeat wrote:
    its been explained above... do both and if above 40 s m and you require planning


    Your quote of the regs with the first limitation only is far from the only consideration and it would be highly inappropriate to say if they are under 40sq m they are OK.


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    sydthebeat
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    moleyv wrote: »
    Your quote of the regs with the first limitation only is far from the only consideration and it would be highly inappropriate to say if they are under 40sq m they are OK.

    but i didnt say that??????????


    dont draw conclusions that arent there


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    moleyv
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    sydthebeat wrote:
    its been explained above... do both and if above 40 s m and you require planning

    sydthebeat wrote:
    dont draw conclusions that arent there


    This could easily be interpreted that if both are under 40 (up to 80 total) no planning is required.

    The shed conversion is probably a diff class anyway depending on the detail of what is proposed.


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    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,590 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    moleyv wrote: »
    This could easily be interpreted that if both are under 40 (up to 80 total) no planning is required.

    The shed conversion is probably a diff class anyway depending on the detail of what is proposed.


    i only ever outlined why the op would require planning permission

    i never at any stage indicated why they wouldnt

    and from what the OP has stated, the shed would require planning permission if they were to do both


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    moleyv
    Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭moleyv


    I still think that post could have easily been mis interpreted but it has been spelt out clearly now.

    OP it might be worth contacting your LA to ask if they would consider the music shed conversion as class 3, part 1. They likely wouldn't but worth a phonecall.

    If they did you could maybe do both without planning. Although it would be recommended getting a Section 5 declaration to that effect. This would also be very useful if selling in the future.

    A section 5 will give you a definite answer on if it is exempt or not. This would require dwgs and maps.


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    patrickwoodcock
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭patrickwoodcock


    I don't see why the rear extension would need consideration from the LA as its within the permitted developments, both the shed and the extension are. I agree a section 5 wouldn't do any harm. I guess I'll bite the bullet and contact the LA to see if both are permitted at the same time.

    Thanks for taking the time to discuss this though. Appreciate it.


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    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    patrickwoodcock wrote: »
    Hi,

    I am thinking of extending my house to the rear which would be under the 40 sq/m allowance for planning. I was also thinking of doing up one of the sheds for a music studio and linking to the house. On the Planning websites it says it is fine to do a rear extension under 40 sq/m, and also it is fine to convert a garage/shed that is under 40 sq/m, anyone know if its allowable to do both? There is nothing to indicate that it cant be done but thought id see if anyone has any experience or advice.

    Thanks.
    not a shed and not exempt assuming other extension due to it connectivity


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