ISIS vs The IRA ?

the_syco

Reoil wrote: »

I've never heard of an IRA member blowing themselves up for their cause...

Any sort of pothole, ramp, etc = baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

DarkyHughes wrote: »

The fight would have to take place in Ireland.

The CIA would then become involved, and suddenly every ex-IRA member will be given guns and bombs from dear old Uncle Sam.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

They couldn't stop the IRA. Good always triumphs over evil.

But neither side was good. Both sides were evil, fought dirty, killed civilians, and executed their own without a second thought.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

They shouldn't have been trying to stop us because they shouldn't have come here in the first place.

They were invited over, and when they found that there wasn't anyone that could tell them to leave, they stayed.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

The British caused the Potato Famine.

This is true. I do wonder how many Irish profited from it, however?

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

If I ever get my hands on a time machine, a big ass gun and a vast quantity of bullets, I know where I'm going.

You'll die when you get there, as the butterfly effect will mean you never get born.

To Elland Back wrote: »

Doubt they would have the stomach for a fight among equals

Only a fool fights a fair fight, for the other side fair equals they have the upper hand.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry if you've never heard of the Black and Tans.

The very same people who went around burning people's houses down and killing people (and because your ageist, children too) who had nothing to do with the IRA. And they did it every time a little bit of resistance was shown to British rule.

The IRA did this as well.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

The IRA fought for a Republic, they got it.

The IRB fought for the Republic, and got it. The IRA got jack sh|t.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

The country belonged to the Irish and the English randomly came in.

They were invited over.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I find it ridiculous that when someone says "Northern Ireland" they're referring to a different country. UNITED IRELAND!

Lets see. Different ruler, different laws, different currency. Yup, another country.

end of the road wrote: »

but they did win against the BA. they killed more BA fighters then BA killed IRA. they stopped the BA slaughtering by force. that to me is a win

And the IRA killed more of it's own than anyone else. Your point?

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I am about to rage. I cannot see how the British won. They are at wrong here.

Right or wrong doesn't win. Whoever stays is generally the winner. The brits stayed.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

They had no right to come to Ireland and take it for themselves.

They were invited over, saw nothing to oppose them, and stayed.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

The IRA fought for our republic, if they never did what they did we'd be surrounded by people with fruitcake accents and caaaas with yellow plates.

The IRA you seem to like wasn't around then.

Deleted User wrote: »

ISIS, who effectively were born out of the Taliban, were freedom fighters. Also weren't the IRA pushing their strict religious Catholic beliefs?

Pretty sure ISIS came about from one of Saddams spymasters?

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I know several guys who served in NI and they hated the loyalists as much as they hated the IRA. In fact, they just hated Northern Ireland in general.

Both sides were terrorists. Although some loyalists may have gotten arms from British Intelligence, I doubt it was nothing more than a means to an end for a short term plan.

the_syco

https://www.irelandcalling.ie/history-norman-and-british-invasion

In 1166, the new High King of Ireland, Rory O’Connor, ousted Dermot MacMurrough as the King of Leinster.

MacMurrough asked Henry II of England for permission to recruit Norman knights to help reclaim his throne. The permission was granted and Norman troops landed in 1167.

After his reinstatement, MacMurrough arranged for his daughter Aiofe to marry the Norman Richard de Clare, Earl of Pembroke – more commonly known as Strongbow.

This alarmed Henry who feared that Strongbow would become too powerful. To prevent this he invaded Ireland in 1171 in order to suppress the country and establish his rule.

After a successful campaign, Henry awarded his newly won Irish territories to his son John, under the title Lord of Ireland.

It was the beginning of nearly 900 years of British rule in Ireland.

Invited in, never left.

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

ISIS, who effectively were born out of the Taliban, were freedom fighters. Also weren't the IRA pushing their strict religious Catholic beliefs?

Wtf?

Sheep Lover

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What, all of them? I largely agree with your post but this part isn't true.

Just most of them

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

Thing is though, you can't really compare a professional sophisticated world class army, to an embedded terrorist movement who hide among the community like ticks! I also doubt that such a professional army would be unto knives as say ISIS or the IRA.

These would be the people who ran torture camps in Kenya where womens breasts were ripped open, men dragged behind jeeps till dead etc, torture in Cyprus, Aden etc, all to maintain racist Imperialist regimes.....?

Nodin

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What, all of them? I largely agree with your post but this part isn't true.

Never once have I seen ye disagree with a sweeping generalisation as regards Republicans. Yet.....

rockatansky

Deleted User wrote: »

ISIS, who effectively were born out of the Taliban, were freedom fighters. Also weren't the IRA pushing their strict religious Catholic beliefs?

If you were found guilty in a Kangaroo court, you could expect to be sentenced to strict Catholicism for life.

AnnaStezia

If ISIS v IRA ended in a draw would there be a shoot-out to decide the winner ?

Cienciano

ISIS v IRA is like Barcelona V Shelbourne Ladies.
IRA wouldn't have a snowflakes chance in hell

Junkyard Tom

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What, all of them? I largely agree with your post but this part isn't true.

'Loyalist paramilitaries' I should have said.

rockatansky

I can't believe an actual serious debate is taking place about such nonsense.

Father Ted Crilly

the_syco wrote: »

Invited in, never left.

Just like they were invited into Australia, India, New Zealand, Pakistan, Yemen, America etc etc?

Nodin

rockatansky wrote: »

I can't believe an actual serious debate is taking place about such nonsense.

Considering they actually made that "Taleban vs IRA" programme in the states and similar nonsense, I'm surprised you're surprised.

Junkyard Tom

Nodin wrote: »

I'm surprised you're surprised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25MA17bBQs

con___manx1

The IRA got a bomb in the same building as a former priminister . doubt issis would have the brains t carry out an attack like that. I don't support the IRA but if they had of blown that iron lady up I would have been happy

Father Ted Crilly

Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.

Nodin

con___manx1 wrote: »

The IRA got a bomb in the same building as a former priminister . doubt issis would have the brains t carry out an attack like that. I don't support the IRA but if they had of blown that iron lady up I would have been happy

So would large numbers of British people.

Iwasfrozen

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.

Troll somewhere else.

Fratton Fred

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.

Whatever you say......Father.

jimgoose

My shower a' bastards can beat up your shower a' bastards.

BuilderPlumber

I would hope the IRA!

bb1234567

Theres an estimated number of between 50,000-250,000 ISIS fighters. Theres somewhere between 1,000-10,000 IRA members.

DarkyHughes

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

All of the countries of the world should join together and when another country starts some mad religious army like ISIS we should all annihilate them. It would work the same way as the death penalty in America. It would be the best way to prevent terrorism.
I have an ever better solution but I don't want to be seen as sadistic so I'll leave it for when I become president of the world.

I am sick of hearing about "ISIS this, ISIS that." Sometimes I wonder what the hell is wrong with people.

They already have one of them armies & it's called NATO & it's a prime reason why ISIS exists.

The best way to prevent terrorism is to stop invading other peoples countries & stop oppressing people, then the oppressed won't feel the need to rebel. But preventing terrorism isn't a very high priority for the worlds most powerful governments for all the reasons Chmosky mentions.

DarkyHughes

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.

England certainly isn't full of weirdo's. It was brave Englishmen like Ken Livingstone & Tony Benn who risked their lives & talked to the leadership of the Republican movement to help bring about a just solution to the conflict that everyone could live with. Sinn Fein definitely wouldn't be the political force they are now without the help of the left in Britain.

harry Bailey esq

Its not a comparison you could really make.As regards firepower the ra wouldn't stand a chance,but if the odds were evened in both numbers and weaponry,the IRA would destroy them.The thing is,any Ira vol on active service is a trained,disciplined and experienced soldier,ISIS on the other hand swell the ranks with terrified teenagers that will shoot all around themselves if a seagull drops a sh1te nearby

Iwasfrozen

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Its not a comparison you could really make.As regards firepower the ra wouldn't stand a chance,but if the odds were evened in both numbers and weaponry,the IRA would destroy them.The thing is,any Ira vol on active service is a trained,disciplined and experienced soldier,ISIS on the other hand swell the ranks with terrified teenagers that will shoot all around themselves if a seagull drops a sh1te nearby

It's hard for me to say this but the average dissident republican isn't as fúcked in the head as the average jihadist.

The Northern Irish guys would be like "nope, fúck this ****" when the crucifixions start.

RomanKnows

I'd always recommend a book called The Lost Revolution: The Story of the Official IRA and the Workers Party by Brian Hanley and Scott Millar when trying to objectively analyse what lead to the creation of the provisional IRA.

Its been criticised by Eoin Harris and Gerry Adams as being revisionist. So I'd recommend it to all of us who are non-partisan to any blinding ideology involved in the 'Troubles'.

G_R

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Troll somewhere else.

Don't accuse other posters of trolling, report them and posts you've an issue with

emigrate2012

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I am 1000000000000.34203% sure that we should have a United Ireland. Some Northerners say they're British. I say, **** off home then.

A United Ireland would definitely reduce the amount of violence caused by the IRA. I find it ridiculous to say that. We shouldn't need to have phrases like "United Ireland". Those Brits ruined the country.

You haven't a fcking clue have you?......ever given thought to the fact that northern Ireland is now a separate entity to both the republic and the UK?

It's a separate country in evolution ATM, you must be about 20 yrs old or just a thick tbh.....

Anyways, this is after hours. So bend right over and suck your own ball's.

GaryTLynch

Fr. Ted Crilly,
Could you please summarise the events that led to the outbreak of the Troubles, the war that ensued and the eventual signing of the Good Friday Agreement (as YOU see it).

This should be good.

emigrate2012

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

We can all agree that England is messed up. They attack you then promise to leave you alone if you give them part of your country.

The British are evil. The IRA fought for a Republic, they got it. It doesn't make any sense. They weren't playing a game of chess. They were fighting over a country. The country belonged to the Irish and the English randomly came in. I find it ridiculous that when someone says "Northern Ireland" they're referring to a different country. UNITED IRELAND!

Are you for fcking real?have you no concept of why the civil war happened?
You really are a cnut(stupid,thick,dopey)take you're pick.idiot.

Arsemageddon

emigrate2012 wrote: »

Are you for fcking real?have you no concept of why the civil war happened?
You really are a cnut(stupid,thick,dopey)take you're pick.idiot.

.....and people in glass houses shouldn't through stones. The Civil War was fought over the oath of allegiance and the South's status as a dominion rather than a republic. It wasn't about Northern Ireland.

northern Ireland is now a separate entity to both the republic and the UK?

Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The official name of our near neighbours is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Scotland and Wales also have their own parliaments and are also still part of the UK

DarkyHughes

emigrate2012 wrote: »

You haven't a fcking clue have you?......ever given thought to the fact that northern Ireland is now a separate entity to both the republic and the UK?

It's a separate country in evolution ATM, you must be about 20 yrs old or just a thick tbh.....

Anyways, this is after hours. So bend right over and suck your own ball's.

Wow, you actually managed to talk more sh!te than the person your quoting. I didn't think that was possible because the first quote was so mad.

GaryTLynch

GaryTLynch wrote: »

Fr. Ted Crilly,
Could you please summarise the events that led to the outbreak of the Troubles, the war that ensued and the eventual signing of the Good Friday Agreement (as YOU see it).

This should be good.

Starting with "dem Brits was allus evil" and right up to "Warrington was for de Black an Tans".

DarkyHughes

Arsemageddon wrote: »

.....and people in glass houses shouldn't through stones. The Civil War was fought over the oath of allegiance and the South's status as a dominion rather than a republic. It wasn't about Northern Ireland.






Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The official name of our near neighbours is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Scotland and Wales also have their own parliaments and are also still part of the UK

As f*cked up as the North is atleast they don't have to live with the never ending nightmare of being governed by Fine Gail & Finna Fail your whole existence, it's worse than be being governed by Tories

DarkyHughes

Deleted User wrote: »

Starting with "dem Brits was allus evil" and right up to "Warrington was for de Black an Tans".

It started with a kiss.....

Grayson

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Come on, Ireland is so much better than England. England is full of weirdos. Must I mention Jimmy Savile? Too late.

when it comes to institutional child abuse Ireland wins hands down.

LordSutch

AnnaStezia wrote: »

If ISIS v IRA ended in a draw would there be a shoot-out to decide the winner ?

The victors of that shoot out should then have to fight 'Boko Haram' in the hot African jungle to decide the 'ultimate bas ass terrorists'.

To Elland Back

DarkyHughes wrote: »

It started with a kiss.....

Too soon

smurgen

LordSutch wrote: »

The victors of that shoot out should then have to fight 'Boko Haram' in the hot African jungle to decide the 'ultimate bas ass terrorists'.

Yeah jungles of Nigeria? where the British killed and murdered thousands to establish a colony and gut Nigeria of its natural resources ?

To Elland Back

Can we not all just agree that it is OK for our preferred group to be mass murderers, because everybody's doing it? Where's the harm?

LordSutch

smurgen wrote: »

Yeah jungles of Nigeria? where the British killed and murdered thousands to establish a colony and gut Nigeria of its natural resources ?

You might well put a questionmark after your waffle, anyway (what the British did or didn't do, a hundred years ago is neither here nor there) in this fight to the death between Boko Harm and the winner of the ISIS Vs PIRA Terror match.

fergus1001

DarkyHughes wrote:

It started with a kiss.....

How did it end up like this ?

LDN_Irish

DarkyHughes wrote: »

As f*cked up as the North is atleast they don't have to live with the never ending nightmare of being governed by Fine Gail & Finna Fail your whole existence, it's worse than be being governed by Tories

I take FF/FG for eternity over the DUP. They are right up there with the most bonkers parties in Europe. They make UKIP look centrist.

Fratton Fred

smurgen wrote: »

Yeah jungles of Nigeria? where the British killed and murdered thousands to establish a colony and gut Nigeria of its natural resources ?

Yep, Where all those immigrants come from who get free houses, taxis and an endless supply of pushchairs to leave at bus stops.

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

You might well put a questionmark after your waffle, anyway (what the British did or didn't do, a hundred years ago is neither here nor there) in this fight to the death between Boko Harm and the winner of the ISIS Vs PIRA Terror match.

The 1950's are not 100 years ago, unless I've been buying out of date calendars lately.

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

The 1950's are not 100 years ago, unless I've been buying out of date calendars lately.

Aren't we supposed to be moving on Nodin?

Oh yeah, that's only when it comes to Gerry's past activities. otherwise it's a good bit of deflection for when the IRA are getting a bit of a bashing.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Aren't we supposed to be moving on Nodin?

Oh yeah, that's only when it comes to Gerry's past activities. otherwise it's a good bit of deflection for when the IRA are getting a bit of a bashing.

There's moving on, and there's saying something happened "centuries ago" when it was happening midway through the 20th century. When I refer to Gerry as Adams of the Clan McAdams, hero of the 11th century cattle raid of the lower falls road, you can get onto me.

LordSutch

Nodin wrote: »

There's moving on, and there's saying something happened "centuries ago" when it was happening midway through the 20th century. When I refer to Gerry as Adams of the Clan McAdams, hero of the 11th century cattle raid of the lower falls road, you can get onto me.

Now that 'the bearded one' has been introduced into the ISIS Vs IRA face off, let's discuss his contribution to such a confrontation. No doubt Adams would not be directly involved in the fracas seeing as he was never in the PIRA, therefore he probably wouldn't have the slightest idea how to point and fire a Kalashnikov, so maybe a role as book keeper or negotiator might suit him better? Failing that, what about him being a double agent in ISIS? With that lovely old beard of his, I guess he could blend right into either ISIS or the Taliban for a spell.

Not sure Adams would blend into the ranks of Book Harem very convincingly though.

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

Now that 'the bearded one' has been introduced into the ISIS Vs IRA face off, let's discuss his contribution to such a confrontation. No doubt Adams would not be directly involved in the fracas seeing as he was never in the PIRA, therefore he probably wouldn't have the slightest idea how to point and fire a Kalashnikov, so maybe a role as book keeper or negotiator might suit him better? Failing that, what about him being a double agent in ISIS? With that lovely old beard of his, I guess he could blend right into either ISIS or the Taliban for a spell.

Not sure Adams would blend into the ranks of Book Harem very convincingly though.

Neither would James Bond.

Having links with the Palestinians and ANC means many things might be accomplished, though as you point out The Bearded One himself would not obviously be directly involved.