Digital alteration of live video feed

omnithanos

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why should everyone else's videos be ignored yet you expect us to accept yours as gospel truth?

Because as I have explained ad nauseum the two videos I posted were of live footage so as they do not match one of these obviously has to have been faked and the only people who could have faked live footage were those who know the explosion was about to happen.

All the other video footage was prepared afterwards so as it was easier to alter the footage afterwards none of these videos should be admissible for the purposes of proving this hoax.

I don't understand why none of you can follow the simple logic, it's as if none of you want to accept the truth.

Overheal

actually about a minute in to Weisses' video, you can see an angle of the plane that matches a previous post of mine, regarding the issue of "missing frames" from one of the camera angles. In that post I stated that there was a likelihood that the plane was on a non-linear trajectory. In this video you can plainly see the plane has to bank into the building, having overshot it by a small bit. Easy enough thing to do if you're going to ram a plane into a building at such insane speeds. The clip around 1:30 you notice some interesting artefacts on the video, but in all likelihood this is the result of something more sinister than most people ever fathom: youtube video compression. Same with the white square that was mentioned in a previous post. Not only is a lot of this video relatively poor quality to begin with (poor resolutions at long ranges saved to analog tape - digital storage for video was not mainstream until the mid-decade) but it was then uploaded to youtube and in most cases reduced in quality where applicable down to about 480i. Youtube didn't always support 720p, 1080p and 4k.

I can't fathom in 2001 that anyone could have CGI'd so many different camera angles, so many different camera styles (personal, professional, etc), and kept all of it consistent - which it certainly appears to be.

I'm sorry but you really need to.stop saying that, You have "proven" nothing. At best you have raised some questions which have been answered (not to your liking but answered non the less).

Timberrrrrr(rrrrr?) this is really dipping into backseat modding. Please report posts rather than responding to them in this manner.

Omnithanos, you may not like that some people do not agree with your views but nothing has been categorically proven as true or false here. Please review the newest charter if you have not already done so.

Omnithanos wrote:

I don't understand why none of you can follow the simple logic, it's as if none of you want to accept the truth.

That is their right. Again, read the charter.

omnithanos

Overheal wrote: »

Omnithanos, you may not like that some people do not agree with your views but nothing has been categorically proven as true or false here. Please review the newest charter if you have not already done so.

I believe I have categorically proven without any shadow of a doubt that digital fakery was deliberately used by the media on 9/11.

Comments stating that my post proves nothing with no explanation do not carry any weight.

If you or anyone else can logically come up with any other plausible theory to explain how two pieces of footage shown live on 9/11 do not match up please do so otherwise my theory will have to be accepted as fact.

weisses

omnithanos wrote: »

I believe I have categorically proven without any shadow of a doubt that digital fakery was deliberately used by the media on 9/11.

Comments stating that my post proves nothing with no explanation do not carry any weight.

If you or anyone else can logically come up with any other plausible theory to explain how two pieces of footage shown live on 9/11 do not match up please do so otherwise my theory will have to be accepted as fact.

Problem is that your theory/YouTube link is not making any sense in regards to all the footage available

You even present videos of pilots in a bid to support your opinion/theory while in fact their statements undermine your ideas as I showed you earlier

omnithanos

weisses wrote: »

Problem is that your theory/YouTube link is not making any sense in regards to all the footage available

You even present videos of pilots in a bid to support your opinion/theory while in fact their statements undermine your ideas as I showed you earlier

None of the other available video footage was shown live therefore it could have been edited.

The other footage is not relevant to a debate about how two pieces of footage shown live do not match. This is basic logic.

The pilots in the videos I posted both state that planes were not used on 9/11. How does this in any way undermine the idea that one of the pieces of footage shown live was digitally altered?

Overheal

omnithanos wrote: »

I believe I have categorically proven without any shadow of a doubt that digital fakery was deliberately used by the media on 9/11.

You misunderstand the term 'categorically,' then. If the government comes out and says "yes, we faked it," then they faked it. Until then, it's inconclusive. Just like people may well believe God exists but until he or it comes floating down from the sky and performs miracles it is not categorically evident.

By definition, if people doubt you then there is a shadow of doubt.

If you or anyone else can logically come up with any other plausible theory to explain how two pieces of footage shown live on 9/11 do not match up please do so otherwise my theory will have to be accepted as fact.

2 different cameras, with different performance characteristics, uploaded at different times to a digital video site which then compressed said videos. And all derivatives of those videos (the frame-by-frame folks) come from that existing, compressed footage of dubious quality.

Having provided a plausible theory, your theory by your own restraints does not have to be accepted as fact. And if you continue to force a conclusion in contravention to the charter you're going to go in time out: it's stalling the conversation, we're starting to go in loops, and we're already way off the original thread topic. I've given you plenty of latitude with several soft warnings that you're choosing to ignore. Unwisely. You have already stated your perspective, "ad nauseum" as you say, and you should just let the posts rest and speak for themselves. Nobody is going to want to read 40 pages of you saying the exact same thing, and 40 pages of people continuing to say why they disagree with it. Flogging it like a dead horse is not going to make people change their minds - WMD logic doesn't apply here. Move on already.

weisses

omnithanos wrote: »

The pilots in the videos I posted both state that planes were not used on 9/11.

Again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXA-enq65ng

roughly 8:30

scuba8

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's not fitted on commercial aircraft.

This has been done before. There are no remote control systems fitted to any commercial aircraft. This is a fact not speculation. My scource is an Air Traffic Controller.

weisses

As was suggested in the post before me .. I will leave this as it is

weisses

scuba8 wrote: »

This has been done before. There are no remote control systems fitted to any commercial aircraft. This is a fact not speculation. My scource is an Air Traffic Controller.

Well not remote control systems per se but wifi is a big concern regarding unwanted outside control

Overheal

That fear didn't exist in 2001 though. What were they on, wireless G at best; it wasn't installed in planes

weisses

Overheal wrote: »

That fear didn't exist in 2001 though. What were they on, wireless G at best; it wasn't installed in planes

i dont think the remote plane theory described here is referring to 9/11 .. thought it had something to do with the german wings crash ... could be wrong though

DamagedTrax

scuba8 wrote: »

This has been done before. There are no remote control systems fitted to any commercial aircraft. This is a fact not speculation. My scource is an Air Traffic Controller.

and again your source means nothing unless he inspects every single aircraft that leaves the ground from every airport in the world.

IF somebody wanted to use a commercial plane as a remote weapon, what are the chances of your buddy, a law abiding ATC, hearing about it on the grapevine? its hardly going to be gossip on the apron.

the only thing your source can confirm is that its not in general use on commercial aircraft. we can all accept that. but that doesnt mean it has not been used on a commercial aircraft at any point.

omnithanos

Overheal wrote: »

You misunderstand the term 'categorically,' then. If the government comes out and says "yes, we faked it," then they faked it. Until then, it's inconclusive. Just like people may well believe God exists but until he or it comes floating down from the sky and performs miracles it is not categorically evident.
III
By definition, if people doubt you then there is a shadow of doubt.

2 different cameras, with different performance characteristics, uploaded at different times to a digital video site which then compressed said videos. And all derivatives of those videos (the frame-by-frame folks) come from that existing, compressed footage of dubious quality.

Having provided a plausible theory, your theory by your own restraints does not have to be accepted as fact. And if you continue to force a conclusion in contravention to the charter you're going to go in time out: it's stalling the conversation, we're starting to go in loops, and we're already way off the original thread topic. I've given you plenty of latitude with several soft warnings that you're choosing to ignore. Unwisely. You have already stated your perspective, "ad nauseum" as you say, and you should just let the posts rest and speak for themselves. Nobody is going to want to read 40 pages of you saying the exact same thing, and 40 pages of people continuing to say why they disagree with it. Flogging it like a dead horse is not going to make people change their minds - WMD logic doesn't apply here. Move on already.

Isn't it in contravention to the charter to dismiss a theory out of hand without providing any plausible alternative?
I posted a video of footage which was aired live which showed an object hitting the tower from the top right corner of the screen. That evening NBC used the very same footage but the background was removed and it now showed a plane hit the tower coming from the centre right screen. It is obvious that NBC digitally altered the footage. My big question is does anyone have a plausible explanation as to why the plane hit the tower from a completely different direction to the object in the footage which was shown live?
This anomaly cannot be explained by video compression or a technical glitch.

The only reason I have kept repeating myself is because I didn't think folks were getting my point.

If nobody wants to take this further perhaps we could discuss the elements of forewarning for 9/11 such as Rockefeller's watch saying 9:11 on the Newsweek cover in 1967 or the Israeli moving van which was driving around that morning with the mural showing a plane going into the twin towers.

Ipso

Jade Helm 15 is where it will be at very soon.

Overheal

omnithanos wrote: »

Isn't it in contravention to the charter to dismiss a theory out of hand without providing any plausible alternative?

As if predicting people may have a desire to discuss the charter, there is somehow a feedback thread at the top of the forum next to the charter, specifically for the express purpose of discussing the charter.

This is your third warning today. Do not post in this thread again. Meanwhile, take a time out to have a word with us.

smurfjed

Did you stop to consider that uninterruptible autopilots were a knee-jerk reactions to 911? They are not fitted to commercial aircraft as the need to switch off the autopilot still exists, this was clearly demonstrated by the AF A330 crash.

Can I ask why are you discounting the possibility that a number of radicalised individuals with limited piloting experience, hijacked the aircraft and flew them into the buildings?

The illustrious Captain in the video above has already stated that the "computers wouldnt allow it", when there arent any FBW computers in the 757/767, so for me the rest of his statements are bogus!

Overheal

All posts about 9/11 sent to 9/11 forum under new thread heading. Omnithanos is still banned from this thread.

Guy:Incognito

omnithanos wrote: »

As I stated previous all releasef videos which were not shown live ate irrelevant as they could have been and were altered. None of these were taken by private individuas as all private cameras were jammed. We must only ins pop extension the two live shots to prove this.

So now all the private video cameras in New York were jammed?

You said before all footage was handed up and then edited.

How come you never brought that up when asked how not one person kept their own footage showing no planes hitting the towers and released it after? Your only explanation on that was that they would be killed for releasing it. If all cameras were jammed then what footage did everyone hand up to be edited and what would they be killed for.

I even pressed and asked why someone didnt anonymously send their tape to someone like Alex Jones to avoid being killed over it. You ignored that question and never thought to mention this jamming stuff?

Guy:Incognito

omnithanos wrote: »

Because as I have explained ad nauseum the two videos I posted were of live footage so as they do not match one of these obviously has to have been faked and the only people who could have faked live footage were those who know the explosion was about to happen.
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Since we're talking about doctored footage , who says thats the live footage as it went out at the time? Does anyone here with eidetic memory remember the footage being exactly as it is on youtube from 14 years ago and not what they were shown since?

Wheres the proof that footage wasnt edited and released shortly after purporting to be the live footage from the time?

If they made an editing error in the original live release as you say, why not correct it then claim the error was editing by CT'ers after and never went out? Who would have remembered tiny details that need to be blown up to show in video footage they saw in real time of a catastrophic event?

degrassinoel

Omnithanos has been banned from posting in this thread - i'll leave your posts up for now in case his ban is reconsidered but

i'd ask you and anyone else to refrain from quoting him directly asking for a response.

omnithanos

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Since we're talking about doctored footage , who says thats the live footage as it went out at the time? Does anyone here with eidetic memory remember the footage being exactly as it is on youtube from 14 years ago and not what they were shown since?

Wheres the proof that footage wasnt edited and released shortly after purporting to be the live footage from the time?

If they made an editing error in the original live release as you say, why not correct it then claim the error was editing by CT'ers after and never went out? Who would have remembered tiny details that need to be blown up to show in video footage they saw in real time of a catastrophic event?

They couldn't edit it after because it was already out in the public domain and people all over the world had video recorders.
The footage also appears in an officially sanctioned documentary which is also proof of it's authenticity.
They also produced a smoke cloud in the shape of the nose out in all the digitally altered videos which were released after in an effort to convince the world that the nose out anomaly was actually smoke. However the man who took the video footage said in an interview that the plane actually went through the building which is impossible.

omnithanos

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So now all the private video cameras in New York were jammed?

You said before all footage was handed up and then edited.

How come you never brought that up when asked how not one person kept their own footage showing no planes hitting the towers and released it after? Your only explanation on that was that they would be killed for releasing it. If all cameras were jammed then what footage did everyone hand up to be edited and what would they be killed for.

I even pressed and asked why someone didnt anonymously send their tape to someone like Alex Jones to avoid being killed over it. You ignored that question and never thought to mention this jamming stuff?

There was a public campaign at the time to collect all private video footage. I am now aware that this was actually a front to convince people that there was actually private video footage. Reports of the use of jamming equipment on the day have been documented.

omnithanos

Ipso wrote: »

Jade Helm 15 is where it will be at very soon.

Yet you cannot offer a plausible alternative explanation to these anomalies?

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

As if predicting people may have a desire to discuss the charter, there is somehow a feedback thread at the top of the forum next to the charter, specifically for the express purpose of discussing the charter.



This is your third warning today. Do not post in this thread again. Meanwhile, take a time out to have a word with us.

Overheal wrote: »

All posts about 9/11 sent to 9/11 forum under new thread heading. Omnithanos is still banned from this thread.

degrassinoel wrote: »

Omnithanos has been banned from posting in this thread - i'll leave your posts up for now in case his ban is reconsidered but



i'd ask you and anyone else to refrain from quoting him directly asking for a response.

Was it worth being banned from the forum for 6 months? Hope so.

Billy86

omnithanos wrote: »

Let's stick to the facts shall we.

How do you know that 100's nay 1000's saw a plane hit in real time. Is it because you saw people say it on TV? How reliable is that?

Good point, after all Times Square and Manhattan in general is just so quiet during rush hour.