Ronaldo and free-kicks - anyone know his stats?

Shanotheslayer

bucketybuck wrote: »

Come on, lets see those stats.

We are getting 2/3 free kicks scored a year from the worlds best players, lets hear how many goals are scored from rebounds off the post or keeper after a free kick?

I Don't know. I gave two options in a scenario on a free kick takers.

That was it.

Why so defensive? Didn't mean to hurt your feelings

inforfun

NIMAN wrote: »

Surely the League is mostly irrelevant?

Guys still form walls and keepers still try their best to stop the shots, so I'm going with big Pierre being better than Ronnie or Messi.

I am with you on that, league is irrelevant. If anything, on average Dutch people are taller than anywhere else.
Just mentioned the league because of that picture with stats a few pages back.

Depay this year at PSV hit 6 or 7. Not sure how many attempts, think it was around 25.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Van Hoojdonk was unreal at free kicks around time Feyenoord won the UEFA cup and he had a lovely technique as well a lot more normal than Junihnios was.I was more surprised when he didn't score that when he did.

inforfun

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Van Hoojdonk was unreal at free kicks around time Feyenoord won the UEFA cup and he had a lovely technique as well a lot more normal than Junihnios was.I was more surprised when he didn't score that when he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_922KlfxAw

(Dutch commentator: I have no idea how Van Hooijdonk is going to score from there...... Oh, like that!)

Feyenoord were 2-0 down with 20 mins to go (1-0 win at home) and on the brink of elimination. Was important this one.

Talib Fiasco

Always loved Ronaldinho's style of taking a free kick...scored a fair few beauties in his day. Funnily enough the one that always stands out for me is that peach he scored for Milan against Portsmouth in the UEFA Cup. Totti is also another who I'd put forward to take a match winning free kick.

bucketybuck

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I Don't know. I gave two options in a scenario on a free kick takers.

You originally posted that Ronaldo's free kicks were way of the mark, and tried to claim it mattered if the free kick was missed by an inch or a mile, you said it was an important difference.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Yes it does. It matters a lot.

Then you gave your two options and tried to imply one was better than the other.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

It does though, the chances of conversion will be a lot higher for a person hitting the post than a person hitting Row Z.

But the simple fact is, there are **** all goals scored via a rebound from the post, the chances of conversion are negligible in either instance. So I asked you to back up your claim, I asked for the stats on goals scored from rebounds.

You haven't provided any. And we both know why.

Shanotheslayer

bucketybuck wrote: »

You originally posted that Ronaldo's free kicks were way of the mark, and tried to claim it mattered if the free kick was missed by an inch or a mile, you said it was an important difference.

Then you gave your two options and tried to imply one was better than the other.



But the simple fact is, there are **** all goals scored via a rebound from the post, the chances of conversion are negligible in either instance. So I asked you to back up your claim, I asked for the stats on goals scored from rebounds.

You haven't provided any. And we both know why.

Christ.

I'll put it in basic terms for you. At amateur level everybody learns if your taking a free kick "Just get it on Target" as anything can happen then.

What I stated was Ronaldos free kicks are way off the mark in terms that compared to other free kick takers his seem to go miles over.

If I was a manager I'd want my free kick taker to at lest get them on Target and see what happens. Pretty basic really. No stats needed.

Why would I want a Free Kicker who's Accuracy is quite poor? I Don't know have time to look up stats at the minute as I'm up for work early.

But I'd be very suprised if Ronaldos Accuary was up there with the great free kick takers.

The only stat you need to know is that statistically there is more chance of a free kick being scored if it's on Target....

Don't quite understand what's so difficult to understand that. Perhaps maybe you don't understand where I'm coming from.

Lukker-

Ronaldo has been hitting dreadful free kicks for the last couple of seasons.The way he strikes a ball brings in a large element of unpredictability. I think the aero dynamics in footballs has changed over time has influenced this. I think a more traditional strike of a free kick pays greater dividends over time.

Kirby

The Drogba/David Luiz style of sidefooting through the ball with power seems to be a lot more consistent. You will hit the target more and therefore score more. When Ronaldo gets them right, they look incredible but he so rarely, rarely does. It's just not an efficient way to take a free kick.

For such a perfectionist, I'm surprised he hasn't amended his technique at this stage. He's a winner.....and taking them like that isn't winning anything.

Jelle1880

The thing why a lot of people want Ronaldo to stop taking them is because Real have Bale, who is a lot better at them than Ronaldo is.

ESPN compared the stats after Real drew with Valencia. Ronaldo scored 5 in 95 attempts with 30 on goal (since 2013). Bale scored 4 out of 30 attempts with 10 on goal.

snowblind

Imagine the fit Ronaldo would throw if he didn't get to shoot a FK.

bucketybuck

snowblind wrote: »

Imagine the fit Ronaldo would throw if he didn't get to shoot a FK.

I must have missed all the fits he threw for the 30 freekicks that Gareth Bale took then.

snowblind

bucketybuck wrote: »

I must have missed all the fits he threw for the 30 freekicks that Gareth Bale took then.

I guess he didn't want to shoot them, but considered them a boon from God

inforfun

Last year Bale got to take a few free kicks but i cant remember him seeing behind a free kick (with Ronaldo on the pitch) this season.

I reckon there are at least 2 other who can do a better free kick than Ronaldo (Isco, James come to mind).

With Ronaldo it is like with Roberto Carlos, they are not really free kick experts, most of the time it is thanks to the huge stadiums that the ball doesnt land a city further up the road but when they hit one, it is spectacular.

Sacksian

bucketybuck wrote: »

I must have missed all the fits he threw for the 30 freekicks that Gareth Bale took then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm4xo72U_LM

bucketybuck

Sacksian wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm4xo72U_LM

Calling that a hissy fit should be a breach of the trade descriptions act. He thought he was taking it, Bale took it instead, he shrugged his shoulders. If only all hissy fits were as tame.

Thats one anyway, only another 29 to go.

Maximus Alexander

I think we can all agree that Ronaldo is just about the worst player ever to have played the game.

snowblind

Yeah

Or...one of the best players ever, but who actually isn't the that great in every aspect of the game, and who's attitude leaves much to be wished for (if you care about such things).

dmc17

snowblind wrote: »

Yeah

Or...one of the best players ever, but who actually isn't the that great in every aspect of the game, and who's attitude leaves much to be wished for (if you care about such things).

I also read this today which says a lot about him

Kirby

It can't have been that quiet. We know about it.

It's possible to donate anonymously.

Maximus Alexander

Kirby wrote: »

It can't have been that quiet. We know about it.

It's possible to donate anonymously.

Well in that case: what a dick!

GavRedKing

I dont get why people are jumping to Ronaldos defence so vehemently here, hes not good at free kicks, hes marginally worse than some, but free kick goals, as has been pointed out are, very difficult to score from, its not a slight on Ronaldo as a player, the fact hes his teams star player and hes got an accurate shot in game, means he takes the majority of their deadballs within shooting rane, ala Messi at Barca, it doesnt mean that either will score the free kicks, even if their teams have better options around, Bale, Neymar, Suarez to name just a few for Barca and Real.

Mickeroo

GavRedKing wrote: »

I dont get why people are jumping to Ronaldos defence so vehemently here, hes not good at free kicks, hes marginally worse than some, but free kick goals, as has been pointed out are, very difficult to score from, its not a slight on Ronaldo as a player, the fact hes his teams star player and hes got an accurate shot in game, means he takes the majority of their deadballs within shooting rane, ala Messi at Barca, it doesnt mean that either will score the free kicks, even if their teams have better options around, Bale, Neymar, Suarez to name just a few for Barca and Real.

I'm convinced if he didn't do the whole build up with the stance and the deep breaths nobody would care.

GavRedKing

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'm convinced if he didn't do the whole build up with the stance and the deep breaths nobody would care.

I'd agree with ya, but if you're going to nit pick about that and have a go thats silly, it wouldnt bother me TBH, but as per the stats, if Bale is a better option for an on target strike, he should take them, its a very specific skill and if someone is better than he should take it.

Its a bit like the quarter back wanting to kick the field goal, could he do it, maybe, but youve got a guy whos statistically better he should get it, not the star player. :P

Thats only using Ronaldo as an example as the thread is about him, as I said you could say the same about Messi at Barca.

Dempsey

I'd have little faith in Ronaldo scoring a free kick when the chips are down. The likes of Juninho, Pirlo & Beckham are what you'd call proper free kick takers

Suarez is a great free kick taker. Scored a good few in a short time at Liverpool anyway. He's probably not getting as many chances at Barcelona.

It's probably one of the only things Ronaldo is just ok at tbf

bucketybuck

rarnes1 wrote: »

Suarez is a great free kick taker. Scored a good few in a short time at Liverpool anyway. He's probably not getting as many chances at Barcelona.

It's probably one of the only things Ronaldo is just ok at tbf

Suarez scored five goals from free kicks for Liverpool. Five. From 2011-2014.

Between 2009 and 2014 Ronaldo scored 23 goals from free kicks.

niallo27

bucketybuck wrote: »

Suarez scored five goals from free kicks for Liverpool. Five. From 2011-2014.

Between 2009 and 2014 Ronaldo scored 23 goals from free kicks.

5 in 2 and a half seasons isn't bad considering he was 2nd choice to Gerrard for the first season and a half. Ronaldo has one this season I think.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

Suarez scored five goals from free kicks for Liverpool. Five. From 2011-2014.

Between 2009 and 2014 Ronaldo scored 23 goals from free kicks.

Suarez wasnt the number 1 free taker. Gerrard took a lot so I'm guessing his strike rate is decent.

I actually thought it was more tbh. Where's the stats on frees?

bucketybuck

rarnes1 wrote: »

Suarez wasnt the number 1 free taker. Gerrard took a lot so I'm guessing his strike rate is decent.

I actually thought it was more tbh. Where's the stats on frees?

They are hard to find. I posted the articles I cited earlier in the thread, but its difficult to find a resource that clearly states the success rates year on year.

Shanotheslayer

''Last 50 direct free kicks taken by Crisitano:

> 21 blocked
> 13 out
> 16 saved by keeper or woodwork
''
Hasn't scored a free kick in 10 months.

16 on target out of 50. If you replaced his name with someone else the rage wouldn't be half as big. That's terrible tbf.

Not G.R

Thread on free kicks. No mention of Nakamura

Kirby

To be fair, the thread is about Ronaldo's free kicks. Not free kicks in general.

Rayne Wooney

I doubt anyone disagrees that Ronaldo is crap at frees, just as Messi is, and just as most footballers are

A good free taker is rare

Caovyn Lineah

bucketybuck wrote: »

Suarez scored five goals from free kicks for Liverpool. Five. From 2011-2014.

Between 2009 and 2014 Ronaldo scored 23 goals from free kicks.

Suarez scored 5 in 12/13 and 3 in 13/14

bucketybuck

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Suarez scored 5 in 12/13 and 3 in 13/14

Nope.

3 in 2013/14, 5 total in his three season including 13/14.

Luis Suárez is widely considered to be a dead-ball specialist, though the statistics are not so flattering. Yes, El Pistolero did closely follow Touré with three goals - a winning amount in recent seasons - but he endeavoured to try his luck on 28 separate occasions. That is a conversion rate of almost 11%.

Add to that his goals and attempts from the two prior seasons and Suárez has only scored 5 goals from 58 attempts. At 8.5% conversion rate that’s higher than the league average, but not as incredible as you might have expected.

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