Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

AlekSmart

RichardCeann wrote: »

The Greek Defence Minister arrived in Kos today due to the crisis. The locals showed him their displeasure at the whole situation.

If this pans out the way the "No Controls-Open Borders" crew see it,then ask the question as to whether Irish "locals" will respond any differently when our turn comes...and if we continue as we are, it will

However,as events such as today's Thalys Train attack in France shows,reality may yet begin to sink-in...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206426/U-S-Marines-armed-gunman-onboard-high-speed-train-Amsterdam-Paris.html

Video footage of the aftermath has emerged, showing what appears to be the gunman lying on the floor, moaning with pain, with his hands and feet tied up with t-shirts after he was beaten unconscious.

The camera then pans around to the Kalashnikov resting on a seat surrounded by blood stains on the windows.

The 26-year-old Moroccan national, who was known to security services, got on the train in Brussels and attempted his attack soon after crossing the French border.

Reuters reports the man had also been under French police surveillance after foreign security services identified him as dangerous.

French newspaper La Voix du Nord said Spanish authorities had pointed out the man to French police. It was not immediately clear whether he was still under surveillance at the time of Friday's attack.

The paper also cited security sources saying the suspected Islamist militant was seen on a plane to Turkey from Germany in May, and was thought to have visited Syria.

It added that he may have had connections to a group involved in a suspected Islamist shooting in Belgium in January.

AFP has quoted an anti-terror source saying, 'He lived in (southern) Spain in Algeciras for a year, until 2014, then he decided to move to France.

'Once in France he went to Syria, then returned to France.'

He came out of the toilet brandishing the gun and opened fire, wounding two people on board. Fortunately, the hero passengers were nearby and overpowered him.

According to witnesses he was carrying a short-stocked Kalashnikov assault rifle, at least five magazines of ammunition, a handgun and knives.

The terrorist, named in reports as Ayoub el-Qahzzani, had at least nine full magazines of ammunition holding almost 300 rounds. He was arrested by police at a train station in Arras and taken to hospital where he is now in custody.

Ordinare non-combatant civilians..from across the world,simply making a train journey,and this fella considers them a Target ?

One result of this attack will most likely see calls for the introduction of Airline style security at European Mainline Rail Stations,as we,the People,surrender yet more individual freedom to the Jihadists.

Yet,those of us who advocate standing firm against further exposing ourselves in Ireland,to these threats are derided as "Xenophopes" or "Racists" ....ah sure it'll never happen here,everyone loves the Irish...right eh..?

CB19Kevo

I don't think you can mix a modern educated people with backward beliefs and expect to come out clean in the end.

Look at murder/rape/assault rates across Europe and compare with middle east/africa.
This is potentially the undermining of Europe,too many are getting in.

We already have enough problems in the UK,France and Denmark.

Whether people want to consider it racist or not,enough is enough.

BlaasForRafa

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Look at murder/rape/assault rates across Europe and compare with middle east/africa.

Rape rates went up in scandanavia due to muslim immigration but instead of acknowledging the problem the norwegian police not only make excuses for them....

Young foreign men, immigrant workersand others, can find it hard to establish steady pair relationships and/or acquaintance with potential partners in Oslo, and this can help to generate unsuccessful and degrading sexual relationships which arereported as rape. Circumstances like loneliness in the homo-social reality that some of these young men inhabit, rejection in the sexual market by Norwegian girls, lack of access to young women with the sameculture and national background as themselves, arranged intimate relationships and promises of fidelityembedded in their own culture, can all be factors in this.

....they also go in for a spot of victim blaming

At the same time part of the explanation may be that the inclination to report on the part of women is greater when unwanted or degrading events take place in connection with non-Norwegian persons than when Norwegian men are involved. It is easier to report "aliens" than people you know yourself or are networked to.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/76695373/Excerpt-From-Oslo-Police-District-Report-on-Rape

...Shades of the Rochdale child abuse case eh? Authorities and some political groupings are so afraid of offending muslims that they won't acknowledge that there is a problem with some muslim communities and within islam itself and thus act effectively as enablers for those causing the problems.

timmyntc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8xkYZNsKUY
Refugees in 'no mans land' between Greece and Macedonia refuse food from Macedonian police because of a red cross.
If a christian symbol like a cross is that big a deal when theyre homeless and without food, do you really think they'll make an effort to integrate once they've been settled in a country?

RichardCeann

Perhaps they should have instead stopped off in one of the many Muslims countries they passed through on their journey to a predominantly Christian continent if a simple cross offends their sensibilities so much.

Anyway, it seems that the police have just given up and let them cross unhindered. Wonderful stuff. Swarm the borders, riot and eventually you will get in. This nonsense would not be entertained outside of this continent.

Hundreds of migrants crossed unhindered from Greece into Macedonia on Sunday after overwhelmed security forces appeared to abandon a bid to stem their flow through the Balkans to western Europe following days of chaos and confrontation.

Riot police remained, but did little to slow the passage of a steady stream of migrants, many of them refugees from the Syrian war and other conflicts in the Middle East.

Macedonia declared a state of emergency on Thursday and sealed its southern frontier to migrants pouring in at a rate of 2,000 per day en route to Serbia then Hungary and the Europe Union’s borderless Schengen zone.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/migrants-cross-unhindered-into-macedonia-as-police-stand-back-1.2325910

Means Of Escape

Advantages of multiculturalism to societies anyone?

Care to list the myriad of enhancements to a society brought about by this ?

Creativity?Artistic quality increased?Culinary awareness?assisting in the respect of other nationalities ,creed etc?Diversity as a positive element to society in general ?

Are there more negatives associated with multiculturalism?

owenbutt

nokia69 wrote: »

they arrived in Kos from Turkey

let the Turks look after them, they have no place in Europe

seems like the Turks are looking after them. Yanks and Israel have to stop their madness in Middle East and Asia because their mess is spilling on our borders.

tonycascarino

I don't care where the refugees/economic migrants/chancers go as long as it's not here. I'm sure there is an ISIS member or two among them also. Why have they tried to come half way across Europe instead of going to a nearby country in Asia with similar beliefs & customs? They have zilch in common with us.

Irish Stones

About 4,400 'migrants' were rescued yesterday in the Mediterranean and landed today in Italy in one single day. This is the weapon that ISIS has against Europe!
Now we have to resettle 4,400 persons along and across Italy because the provisional centres in Sicily have no room anymore.
They're 4,400 persons who need food, clothes and medical assistance. Several of them need hospitalization, medicines, analyses, right when our Prime Minister announced heavy cuts in the health system, warning people that unnecessary blood works and screening won't be allowed and threatened Italian doctors that superfluous analyses and tests will be charged on their salaries and they will pay fines for this.
Our tax money will be used to buy fuel for the rescue vessels, for assisting those migrants, not for our needs, not for our unemployed young, not for raising the pensions that are at outrageously low levels. No, for us there's nothing!

Means Of Escape

Good article today on Sunday Business Post by Tom Mc Gurk on our porous borders

Cuban Pete

Almost four thousand posts later and yes, it appears the sky is still falling.

AlekSmart

Cuban Pete wrote: »

Almost four thousand posts later and yes, it appears the sky is still falling.

I suppose that depends upon one's perception,and how close the sky actually is...

Germany is entering a dangerous phase right now,so one would imagine a reasonable Irish response would be "Fán go bhfeicmíd"...?

https://news.vice.com/article/31-police-officers-injured-as-anti-immigrant-protesters-riot-in-germany

Anti-immigrant sentiment is on the rise in Germany as the country is on track to receive 800,000 asylum seekers this year — quadruple the number accepted in 2014.

Sound's like a plan alright ....:(

However the ever sensible Swede's appear to have it sorted.....yes ?

Oh...hang on a sec.....maybe not....

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150625/1023830315.html

Sweden's third largest city, Malmö, has descended into chaos as police respond to a huge rise in racism and tensions between ethnic groups, involving bombs, hand grenades and guns.

It just goes to show,that these Europeans have'nt got the "Friendly" gene which will save Ireland from this sorta thing......right.?

If Ireland does not stand on it's right to maintain it's CURRENT Asylum & Immigration Systems,then we cannot ever claim that the warnings were not there in plain-sight.

Being suckered into an open-ended pointless exercise of supporting the businesses of Human Traffickers may be one thing,but extending this remit to accepting "Quota's" of their customers without prior funding,planning or vetting is verging on insanity.

FelineOverLord

We can dance around this topic forever but ultimately the situation is unsustainable. There are hundreds of thousands of economic migrants determined to FORCE their way into Europe. They aren't wanted and the countries that they're entering can't afford them/don't want them. The EU can pander to the humanitarian bulls(it for now but sooner or later they are going to have to put a cordon in place at sea to prevent them making it off the coast of the countries they're leaving and ship back immediately any of them who do make it to Europe. It's insane to even be entertaining the idea of accepting them as refugees.

Means Of Escape

If Abu Bakr -al Baghdadi himself was on a migrant boat he would be "rescued" and "processed"

Irish Stones

This morning 600 African migrants hosted in a Red Cross structure in Milan ran outside and blocked the roads around the structure sitting or laying on the ground. Thousands of people that were going to work couldn't, police didn't do anything, because didn't want to raise the tension among migrants, but Italian citizens weren't protected either.
The protest went on for hours.
The reasons: they don't like the food, the temperature in the structure isn't what they expect, they don't like the place, etc. They do ask for documents that will allow them to walk away free to go where they like it the most. It seems they have more rights than we have. We pay our taxes, they do not!
I'm feeling sick and disgusted. Excuse me, I'm going to throw up...

Old Jakey

800,000. Jesus Christ this has to stop.

RichardCeann

The Irish ferry service were back at this weekend. They scooped up 225 and landed them to Italy. I am sure the Italians are most grateful with the navies of Europe scooping these people up and bringing them to their shores.


http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/irish-naval-crews-from-l-niamh-rescue-225-migrants-off-libya-31471105.html

France's President Francois Hollande and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel are to discuss quotas for accepting migrants at a meeting tomorrow, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said.

In June, European Union governments rejected a push by Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to set mandatory national quotas for states to take in some of the tens of thousands of refugees and migrants crowding ashore in Italy and Greece.

The announcement comes as Italy's coastguard picked up another 300 migrants from stricken boats in the Mediterranean, a day after overseeing the rescue of 4,400 people in one 24-hour period with help from British and Norwegian ships, as well as the LÉ Niamh.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0823/723011-le-niamh/

They are determined to push forward with these quota proposals. Talk about flogging a dead horse.

tonycascarino

The EU is an absolute ruination. Can't even protect its borders. Instead of sending these chancers back to their own countries they are going to let them in to cause havoc. These migrants have nothing in common with us and will add nothing to our society.

nokia69

RichardCeann wrote: »

They are determined to push forward with these quota proposals. Talk about flogging a dead horse.

its a bit early to be calling it a dead horse

plenty of idiots in this country thing the quota thing is a great idea

VinLieger

I heard something interesting yesterday about Germany's birthrates being at catastrophic levels which is one of the reasons they are so big on taking people in

snubbleste

VinLieger wrote: »

I heard something interesting yesterday about Germany's birthrates being at catastrophic levels which is one of the reasons they are so big on taking people in

There are perfectly adequate visas available for those who wish to go down the legal route.

WakeUp

FelineOverLord wrote: »

We can dance around this topic forever but ultimately the situation is unsustainable. There are hundreds of thousands of economic migrants determined to FORCE their way into Europe. They aren't wanted and the countries that they're entering can't afford them/don't want them. The EU can pander to the humanitarian bulls(it for now but sooner or later they are going to have to put a cordon in place at sea to prevent them making it off the coast of the countries they're leaving and ship back immediately any of them who do make it to Europe. It's insane to even be entertaining the idea of accepting them as refugees.

the sense of entitlement and the demands these predominantly male economic migrants possess and profess really is beyond belief. The open border lunatic brigade or the let everyone in we can help because its the “moral” thing to do unicorn brigade. they really need to get a grip of themselves and to do it promptly. EU defence ministers have signed off on a plan that alludes to a combined European special forces mission, naval blockade and possible European invasion force. hopefully we dont need to take it to that combined level to take care of business. though one way or another we must and will bring order to our borders this is Europa. there is no alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcc6dchzJJ0

RichardCeann

'We are not going back'.

Unfortunately, they are probably right.

speedboatchase

WakeUp wrote: »

the sense of entitlement and the demands these predominantly male economic migrants possess and profess really is beyond belief. The open border lunatic brigade or the let everyone in we can help because its the “moral” thing to do unicorn brigade. they really need to get a grip of themselves and to do it promptly. EU defence ministers have signed off on a plan that alludes to a combined European special forces mission, naval blockade and possible European invasion force. hopefully we dont need to take it to that combined level to take care of business. though one way or another we must and will bring order to our borders this is Europa. there is no alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcc6dchzJJ0

"We're ready to die."

No you're not. Translation: "We're ready for more free stuff, please."

RichardCeann

speedboatchase wrote: »

"We're ready to die."

If he was ready to die then surely he would be fighting the forces that he claims to be 'fleeing' from?

Galwayguy35

Irish Stones wrote: »

This morning 600 African migrants hosted in a Red Cross structure in Milan ran outside and blocked the roads around the structure sitting or laying on the ground. Thousands of people that were going to work couldn't, police didn't do anything, because didn't want to raise the tension among migrants, but Italian citizens weren't protected either.
The protest went on for hours.
The reasons: they don't like the food, the temperature in the structure isn't what they expect, they don't like the place, etc. They do ask for documents that will allow them to walk away free to go where they like it the most. It seems they have more rights than we have. We pay our taxes, they do not!
I'm feeling sick and disgusted. Excuse me, I'm going to throw up...

They should have loaded the lot of them up and dumped them back on the African coast.

Which is what they should be doing with the ones they rescue as well, and also finding a way to block the other boats getting to the coast of Europe.

If they keep accepting them then what's the situation going to be like in 12 months time?

snubbleste

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

...
If they keep accepting them then what's the situation going to be like in 12 months time?

Stop asking awkward questions!

RichardCeann

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If they keep accepting them then what's the situation going to be like in 12 months time?

Planning ahead? We will have none of that craic here, citizen.

Galwayguy35

RichardCeann wrote: »

Planning ahead? We will have none of that craic here, citizen.

Well it might be time to start planning, although I forgot sure immigration is the subject that can never be mentioned by any political party in Ireland.

tonycascarino

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They should have loaded the lot of them up and dumped them back on the African coast.

The do-gooders/human rights freaks/open border maniacs won't allow that to happen but there will be no sign of the open border lunatics when a crisis occurs on their shores.

KingBrian2

tonycascarino wrote: »

The do-gooders/human rights freaks/open border maniacs won't allow that to happen but there will be no sign of the open border lunatics when a crisis occurs on their shores.

The do-gooders/human rights freaks/open border maniacs don't support arming terrorists and provoking wars around the world that is the preview of the right wing and just for the record having American military aircrafts in Shannon does not correlate to us being responsible for crimes against Arabs and Muslims by Western forces. :mad:

Nodin

tonycascarino wrote: »

The do-gooders/human rights freaks/open border maniacs won't allow that to happen but there will be no sign of the open border lunatics when a crisis occurs on their shores.

Worse than Hitler, worse than IS......

wakka12

VinLieger wrote: »

I heard something interesting yesterday about Germany's birthrates being at catastrophic levels which is one of the reasons they are so big on taking people in

Germanys population is predicted to go from 80 million today to 60 million in 2060. Fairly catastrophic for a countries economy Im sure, they need to increase birth rates by a whole lot or its going to get ugly.

nokia69

wakka12 wrote: »

Germanys population is predicted to go from 80 million today to 60 million in 2060. Fairly catastrophic for a countries economy Im sure, they need to increase birth rates by a whole lot or its going to get ugly.

Germany had a 60million population before and they were fine

the idea that every country needs to keep growing its population forever is stupid IMO

johnty56

wakka12 wrote: »

Germanys population is predicted to go from 80 million today to 60 million in 2060. Fairly catastrophic for a countries economy Im sure, they need to increase birth rates by a whole lot or its going to get ugly.

Why? Do you think that increasing the population of the country is the best thing to do for it in an economic sense?

Why not just transport 80 million people from sub saharan Africa to Germany in the next ten years. Then the population will be 160 million. Will that mean their economy will be twice as good?

wakka12

nokia69 wrote: »

Germany had a 60million population before and they were fine

the idea that every country needs to keep growing its population forever is stupid IMO

Well I suppose, but you need to bare in mind that when the countries population was 60m at that time in history it probably had a higher birth rate and a much healthier age demographic, i.e. large number of people of working age. But when its population hits 60m again this time around in 2060, the number of elderly over 60 will vastly outnumber the number of young people and people of working age. So a smaller population is better sure but a population that consists of a huge number of old people and a workforce too small to support the aged population is not something a country should strive for..
Also I think sustaining the population at what it currently is is better than letting it drop, why should we abandon thousands of cities towns and villages that we've built through out history, when theyre perfectly fine for living in.

rgossip30

Nodin wrote: »

Worse than Hitler, worse than IS......

Well said.

RichardCeann

nokia69 wrote: »

Germany had a 60million population before and they were fine

the idea that every country needs to keep growing its population forever is stupid IMO

Precisely. Great article here on Japan, their low birth rate and the so called 'need' for mass immigration.

When reading articles in the American press about problems in America, such as high prices for homes, inequality, low wages, low test scores, and so forth, it’s always fun to hit CTRL-F (or Command-F on a Mac) to see if the text string “migra” is included anywhere in the article. Normally, in articles about troubles in America, there’s no mention of the role of “immigration,” “immigrants,” “migration,” or whatever.

When reading American articles about conditions in Japan, such as increasing housing space per Japanese person, it’s interesting to try the same thing. You’ll often see that “immigration” is mentioned in the article, although not as a problem, of course. Instead, it is always The Solution for whatever is said to ail Japan.

For example, here’s a new New York Times article about how the Japanese aren’t quite as squeezed into tiny living spaces as they used to be. Of course, the cure for whatever ails Japan is immigration, even when, at the very end of the article, the reporter reveals that it isn’t actually a problem.

Full article here: http://www.unz.com/isteve/due-to-a-lack-of-mass-immigration-japan-is-plagued-by-a-rising-standard-of-living/

Sunflower 27

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

I agree with the Brits here. These migrants are mainly not asylum seekers from North African countries in which the west has intervened (and therefore would have a moral obligation to take them in) but are economic migrants from places like Eritrea and Somalia. Taking them in will encourage more and more in an endless escalation.

I really abhor this attitude. So easy to sit behind a computer safe in the knowledge you have a warm bed and food to eat and dismiss that there are young children at risk.

Do people really believe the UK is going to allow so many in that it will cripple their economy. Give me a break.:rolleyes:

KingBrian2

rgossip30 wrote: »

Well said.

I see you would rather the migrants die in the Mediterranean.

RichardCeann

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I see you would rather the migrants die in the Mediterranean.

There is a middle ground between wanting them to drown and not wanting them to be resettled in Europe. Intercept the boats, provide them with a quick medical check if necessary, provide some hot food, clothing and drinks, then return right back to the port they left. Scuttle the boats used after they are evacuated from them. Keep doing this for as long as it takes to get the message across; you will not come to Europe illegally by boat and get to stay.

KingBrian2

RichardCeann wrote: »

There is a middle ground between wanting them to drown and not wanting them to be resettled in Europe. Intercept the boats, provide them with a quick medical check if necessary, provide some hot food, clothing and drinks, then return right back to the port they left. Scuttle the boats used after they are evacuated from them. Keep doing this for as long as it takes to get the message across; you will not come to Europe illegally by boat and get to stay.

They come for the same reasons any migrant would come Europe is rich and sympathetic to their plight. The answer is to give them ID's, identify and kick out the dangerous individuals and shelter the rest. They won't be going back to their own countries now they are as much European as a result of the journey they are making.

Change the dynamic and force the human traffickers to stop sending them here. If they know their is nothing here but a European border force they will dissipate and fall back deeper into their backwaters. Europe if anything is too willing to want to rescue all nationalities and house them here. It is the responsibility of the countries they are leaving to provide for them.

RichardCeann

KingBrian2 wrote: »

They come for the same reasons any migrant would come Europe is rich and sympathetic to their plight.

That sympathy is wearing pretty fucking thin at this stage. This situation continues and they will be facing outright hostility in the European countries hit hardest by this crisis.

The answer is to give them ID's, identify and kick out the dangerous individuals and shelter the rest.

So we should reward them for illegally entering Europe?

They won't be going back to their own countries now they are as much European as a result of the journey they are making.

They are European now due to the fact that they illegally entered Europe. Are you taking the piss?

The Randy Riverbeast

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They should have loaded the lot of them up and dumped them back on the African coast.

Which is what they should be doing with the ones they rescue as well, and also finding a way to block the other boats getting to the coast of Europe.

If they keep accepting them then what's the situation going to be like in 12 months time?

Im assuming EU boats cant just dock in Africa. I doubt the African countries would agree to it anyway otherwise destroying their boat and taking the back would make the most sense.

Better to grab them in the boat than let them land and try to catch them I suppose.

kingchess

Heard on the radio that Germany will take up to 800 000 migrants,if the rest of Europe take them on a pro-ratio basis would that mean that Ireland would welcome some 20-30 000 migrants?or am I totally mistaken on this??

Means Of Escape

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They should have loaded the lot of them up and dumped them back on the African coast.

Which is what they should be doing with the ones they rescue as well, and also finding a way to block the other boats getting to the coast of Europe.

If they keep accepting them then what's the situation going to be like in 12 months time?

Predictions are that this will continue unabated for at least 10 years
There will be barnacles growing on the hulls of the "rescue"ships by the time they return

thedumbone

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I see you would rather the migrants die in the Mediterranean.

they are not migrants, they are illegal migrants, they seek for troubles not for jobs

RichardCeann

kingchess wrote: »

Heard on the radio that Germany will take up to 800 000 migrants,if the rest of Europe take them on a pro-ratio basis would that mean that Ireland would welcome some 20-30 000 migrants?or am I totally mistaken on this??

Germany has a population of 80 million so for us to match them we would have to take in roughly 45- 47,500 per annum.

recedite

I think Germany expects to process 800,000 this year, but aren't they trying to offload a proportion of these to other countries under some sort of proposed quota system?

Anyway they have more riots now.

The whole "collective guilt" thing seems to be still surprisingly powerful there. For Germans, either you're with the nazis, or you're with the migrants. And most are scared $hitless of being associated with neo-nazis.

Means Of Escape

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I really abhor this attitude. So easy to sit behind a computer safe in the knowledge you have a warm bed and food to eat and dismiss that there are young children at risk.

Do people really believe the UK is going to allow so many in that it will cripple their economy. Give me a break.:rolleyes:

The UK have been trying to clamp down on illegal immigration way before this Calais mess reared its ugly head .